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Re: Official ## mushrooms completely stopped working for me !.. time for Aya.... [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #24055722 - 01/31/17 08:11 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Just walking in during the middle of a movie

in the past I've gone through too many trips in too short a time, and the effects of mushrooms became almost nonexistent, just uncomfortable.  then I had some DOB and it sent me flying, same with LSD.  had some great trips with LSD which never lost its effectiveness, but after a long time of doing that and having the occasional functional mushroom trip, I experienced severe instability which led to speech deficiencies and confusing babble for up to a year for the worst of it.  I can't even scratch the surface of the multitude of internal processes which were opened up for me to fiddle with and were fucked up by my careless misunderstanding of the gravity of the situation.  I regained functionality within a few months and from my own perspective I returned slowly to my previously intact personality/mental healthiness over the course of several years, during which I had around 4-8 trips per year with DMT, mushrooms, seeds, and cacti.  I'm no poster child for making the healthiest decisions but it hasn't really eroded my awareness of what's going on, at least not that I'm aware of.:smirk:

TL;DR - if you're at the point where mushrooms are no longer affecting you, it's potentially more serious than you think it is, and continuing to trip using substances which break past the psilocin tolerance is probably not very healthy for you, despite frequent messages of calm reassurance that psychedelics are harmless.


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Re: Official ## mushrooms completely stopped working for me !.. time for Aya.... [Re: Achuma]
    #24056617 - 02/01/17 08:43 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Having heard more of the story now, both you guys (meaning OP, his friend, and the other guy) seem to have an issue of tolerance to me. That's a LOT of mushrooms (and L) in a fairly frequent time. Tolerance normally only lasts a week or so, but with that much it may last longer and then add in essentially tripping every week or two tops for awhile and that could definitely explain it. That's the most logical explanation. If you just look at the dosage it makes sense too.

You went from having a good trip on 6g mushrooms and 6 drops L to just barely having a satisfactory trip with 15 hits of L and another time a mild trip with 5.5g of mushrooms (albeit cyans), that seems like a progressive gain in tolerance to me. You also have to consider that while your receptors may have fully recovered and you have no physical tolerance if it's still fresh on the brain you may remember it and have a mental tolerance which is the same reason any activity becomes boring when doing it frequently enough.


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Re: Official ## mushrooms completely stopped working for me !.. time for Aya.... [Re: krypto2000]
    #24056813 - 02/01/17 10:10 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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krypto2000 said:
Having heard more of the story now, both you guys (meaning OP, his friend, and the other guy) seem to have an issue of tolerance to me. That's a LOT of mushrooms (and L) in a fairly frequent time. Tolerance normally only lasts a week or so, but with that much it may last longer and then add in essentially tripping every week or two tops for awhile and that could definitely explain it. That's the most logical explanation. If you just look at the dosage it makes sense too.

You went from having a good trip on 6g mushrooms and 6 drops L to just barely having a satisfactory trip with 15 hits of L and another time a mild trip with 5.5g of mushrooms (albeit cyans), that seems like a progressive gain in tolerance to me. You also have to consider that while your receptors may have fully recovered and you have no physical tolerance if it's still fresh on the brain you may remember it and have a mental tolerance which is the same reason any activity becomes boring when doing it frequently enough.




... I'm basically going with long-term tolerance. No way to prove these things definitively but I'm hoping two or three months off will bring the magic back... if it does come back I can only assume I had some sort of a tolerance build up. But it still  seems  strange how we went from awesome two nothing in a couple weeks I figured it would be a little more gradual.

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Re: Official ## mushrooms completely stopped working for me !.. time for Aya.... [Re: Achuma]
    #24056824 - 02/01/17 10:13 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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Achuma said:
Just walking in during the middle of a movie

in the past I've gone through too many trips in too short a time, and the effects of mushrooms became almost nonexistent, just uncomfortable.  then I had some DOB and it sent me flying, same with LSD.  had some great trips with LSD which never lost its effectiveness, but after a long time of doing that and having the occasional functional mushroom trip, I experienced severe instability which led to speech deficiencies and confusing babble for up to a year for the worst of it.  I can't even scratch the surface of the multitude of internal processes which were opened up for me to fiddle with and were fucked up by my careless misunderstanding of the gravity of the situation.  I regained functionality within a few months and from my own perspective I returned slowly to my previously intact personality/mental healthiness over the course of several years, during which I had around 4-8 trips per year with DMT, mushrooms, seeds, and cacti.  I'm no poster child for making the healthiest decisions but it hasn't really eroded my awareness of what's going on, at least not that I'm aware of.:smirk:

TL;DR - if you're at the point where mushrooms are no longer affecting you, it's potentially more serious than you think it is, and continuing to trip using substances which break past the psilocin tolerance is probably not very healthy for you, despite frequent messages of calm reassurance that psychedelics are harmless.





  That's sounds really strange bro... so you did some acid and then started having speech difficulties?..

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Re: Official ## mushrooms completely stopped working for me !.. time for Aya.... [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #24056833 - 02/01/17 10:16 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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If so that's very normal and not at all the same as what OP claims, which is that he is entirely immune to mushrooms (and previously LSD). This sounds more like a bad set and/or setting that the mushrooms are amplifying, not that they're not affecting you. For you to be paranoid out of your mind they're surely doing something.




I've had trips like this with zero visuals. Plausible.




Been there done that more than a few times. It takes all sorts of forms and all sorts out of interesting delusions.

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About 3 months ago, this started happening:

I take my dosage of mushrooms, the usual tension and energy spike and slight bit of nausea occurs - everything going as planned. But then, at the moment when the breakthrough into the "shroom zone" should occur... it doesn't. I find myself lucid, with all of the visuals of the psychedelic trip occurring within my field of vision, but none of what I refer to as the "head-space," or what I have heard other people refer to as "mindfuck." I am completely sober, but my vision is tripping.





Yeah, I know what that's like.  It takes all sorts of forms, like I said.

I've even had the totally weird experience of being totally "locked out" - sober as a judge, waiting, waiting, waiting and then - literally in the blink of an eye - something shifted inside my head and I was full on tripping balls.

Hard/impossible to explain rationally, but there it is. 

Sometimes ya get on the magic bus and sometimes the bus turns ya into roadkill.  :shrug:

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The truth is only time will tell what's going on with us and if we will get better. What we have learned from this experience is this- doing mushrooms and LSD every two weeks just to do mushrooms and LSD takes something special out of doing mushrooms and LSD.




Maybe there's some sort of weird cross effect doing the two together so much. It's like the only common thread here between both experiences.





.... it's mostly how suddenly it dropped off. I would think it would gradually drop off over a couple trips.:shrug:

On the last good one we had literally gone down one gram and one hit from the previous trip and we both agreed that it was the most intense trip that we've ever had!... that kind of goes contrary to the tolerance thing... I'm sure it will just remain and an enigma..:llamastare:


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Re: Official ## mushrooms completely stopped working for me !.. time for Aya.... [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #24056966 - 02/01/17 11:17 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Not to bring it back up, but maybe the steep drop off had to do with weaker doses. If you took, say for simplicities sake, 15g of mushrooms and tripped balls, then took 10g of mushrooms that were 3/4 as strong as the previous then you effectively took half that previous dose, factor in some tolerance and you're maybe 2/5 the previous dose, that would be fairly underwhelming. That 2/5 dose would still affect your tolerance though so then next time you take another 15g, even if they're the same, it has the effect of 1/4-1/2 the original 15. Or maybe the original 15 was stronger than usual and sort of masked the tolerance gain for a period. After that last 15 though there's really no coming back without a tolerance break.


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Re: Official ## mushrooms completely stopped working for me !.. time for Aya.... [Re: krypto2000]
    #24057338 - 02/01/17 01:34 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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. That 2/5 dose would still affect your tolerance .




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Re: Official ## mushrooms completely stopped working for me !.. time for Aya.... [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #24057513 - 02/01/17 02:50 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I'm saying too that maybe when we did 6 and 6 at the coast we were super tripped out more so than usual because of the set and setting. Also- no the doses weren't weaker, again, everyone (including reliable psychonauts) ate all the doses we've tried since Dec 7 and said that they were superb. Potency is not a question in this thread LOL


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Re: Official ## mushrooms completely stopped working for me !.. time for Aya.... [Re: SpinzMcGrinz]
    #24057540 - 02/01/17 03:02 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I'm not thinking it was a major factor now, I think it's more tolerance, but mushrooms *always* vary in potency unless it's a clone. You might have had stronger ones one time and weaker ones another which would compound the apparent differences. It doesn't matter though, not trying to debate that any more, I don't even think it's contributing much with this new information.


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