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Re: Official ## mushrooms completely stopped working for me !.. time for Aya.... [Re: LoneLobo]
#24012462 - 01/15/17 03:40 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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LoneLobo said: I just posted a very long thread about basically this exact same thing happening to me.
Krypto2000, I get where you're coming from, but you don't really know what you're talking about until you've experienced this first hand. It's not just "the shrooms are bunk." I've already disproven that theory.
My current standing is that repeated heavy usage of psilocybin creates schizophrenia, i.e. compartmentalization in the brain. It is possible, with repeated usage, to cause the brain to "send" the psychedelic experience into another, undetectable part of the mind where the conscious mind can't feel it.
I know this sounds like bullshit, but it is true.
I've tripped on mushrooms more than should be humanly possible, and for long extended periods, multiple times a week, and this never happened. Doesn't mean it didn't happen to you.
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Re: Official ## mushrooms completely stopped working for me !.. time for Aya.... [Re: voodoochild1000]
#24012468 - 01/15/17 03:42 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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MUSHROOM GODS 
Could be. Did you offend them accidentally? They're mysterious motherfuckers IME and they REALLY LOVE TO FUCK WITH YOU IF THEY CAN.
Just sayin'.
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Re: Official ## mushrooms completely stopped working for me !.. time for Aya.... [Re: PrimalSoup]
#24012513 - 01/15/17 04:05 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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voodoochild1000 said: I agree with that....but I have tripped like a hundred times on many batches and have not ever experienced this level of impotence..now all of a sudden? Nothing?
It's like hitting blackjack a hundred times in a row...
Maybe i was super lucky....reliably tripping 7 grams all those times and now the random completely bunk (completely! ) doses from multiple batches...
All I'm saying is u have to admit that's Strange and contrary to my personal experience.
Maybe other people tripped one time and then nothing next time from same batch...but that has NOT been my experience...
Batches can vary...
But my trips from any individual batch have been consistent....never just bunk or even noticeably stronger or weaker trip to trip.
...IME....
Maybe that's what happened to you guys when you do mushrooms but it has never happened to me personally...75-100 trips....
I would say I would have already had one of those experiences by now and that case like I said it's like hitting Blackjack 100 times in a row the statistics are off the charts...

I've tripped maybe 200 times. I can only remember 3 times that I experienced this, maybe 1 or two more I'm forgetting, and I can't rule out external factors either so it may be as low as 0. It makes sense though. Say your mushrooms have from 0 to 100% potency. It's probably not totally random like that, we'd have to screen the genetic profile and determine various factors that influence it to know, but to simplify it lets say it is. By those odds 1/100 mushrooms will give you no effects at all, 1 out of 10 will give you weak effects, and likewise the opposite, 1/100 will be 2-3x as strong as normal. The more mushrooms you grab from a batch the more it will average out.
Unless you only eat large single mushrooms it's going to be pretty rare that you experience a trip that is in that lower 10 percentile as each additional # of mushrooms you add will decrease the odds of it happening exponentially. If your friend for instance only ate two mushrooms though then he statistically would have a 1/100 chance of getting in that lower 10 percentile range. If he ate 5 mushrooms he'd have a 1/100,000 chance of it happening.
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Re: Official ## mushrooms completely stopped working for me !.. time for Aya.... [Re: PrimalSoup]
#24013596 - 01/16/17 01:20 AM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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LoneLobo said: I just posted a very long thread about basically this exact same thing happening to me.
Krypto2000, I get where you're coming from, but you don't really know what you're talking about until you've experienced this first hand. It's not just "the shrooms are bunk." I've already disproven that theory.
My current standing is that repeated heavy usage of psilocybin creates schizophrenia, i.e. compartmentalization in the brain. It is possible, with repeated usage, to cause the brain to "send" the psychedelic experience into another, undetectable part of the mind where the conscious mind can't feel it.
I know this sounds like bullshit, but it is true.
I've tripped on mushrooms more than should be humanly possible, and for long extended periods, multiple times a week, and this never happened. Doesn't mean it didn't happen to you.
This is exactly why I came here to look for answers. Because I knew the Shroomery would be filled with experienced, long-term trippers. A great base of experiential knowledge from which to draw.
And I'm looking to be convinced that my mind has not been split.
I've had some incredibly traumatic experiences in my life. My parent's divorce when I was a kid, devastating break-ups and betrayals, and my own personal nightmares from drug abuse (I'm clean now, thank God). If it is true that intense trauma can cause splits in the mind, then perhaps my mind has been split at various points in my life. These splits are used to tuck away traumatic memories and thoughts - hidden away in folds of the brain, like a filing cabinet. This is the necessary mental processing which takes place for a human being to continue to operate after a terrible experience.
Add in a year of intense, unregulated and inexact application of an unstable tryptamine compound like psilocybin. By over-thinking and stressing about the psychedelic trip, I am actually forcing my brain to compartmentalize the psilocybin and the trip into one of these "folders" within my mind. At points during my "failed trips" I have had the feeling that if I could only relax my mind and enter a mode of free focus and meditation then I could enter the psychedelic realm. Unfortunately, this caused a loop, where I would then just get frustrated that I couldn't achieve this "chi."
Instead of pushing-pushing-pushing that "Hey, your mushrooms are bunk and that's all there is to it!" Why not consider alternative possibilities. Because I went through all of that all ready, and it simply was not true. Other people tried my shrooms and I bought and ate shrooms from other people that were tried and tested as being of very high potency. The idea that every time these trades were performed that the right people got the right potency levels to reinforce this idea that the shrooms are good for others and bad for me is very, very highly improbable. In short: the shrooms are good and it's been proven by parties who are not me, i.e. normal brained people. If you apply logic to this train of thinking, it eliminate the mushroom potency as a factor, and leaves only one thing - in fact, the only other component in the equation: the mind.
I would like to ask the OP if he has had any signs of schizophrenia (talking to yourself, increased internal dialogues) over the course of your regular tripping?
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Re: Official ## mushrooms completely stopped working for me !.. time for Aya.... [Re: PrimalSoup]
#24013605 - 01/16/17 01:30 AM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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LoneLobo said: I just posted a very long thread about basically this exact same thing happening to me.
Krypto2000, I get where you're coming from, but you don't really know what you're talking about until you've experienced this first hand. It's not just "the shrooms are bunk." I've already disproven that theory.
My current standing is that repeated heavy usage of psilocybin creates schizophrenia, i.e. compartmentalization in the brain. It is possible, with repeated usage, to cause the brain to "send" the psychedelic experience into another, undetectable part of the mind where the conscious mind can't feel it.
I know this sounds like bullshit, but it is true.
I've tripped on mushrooms more than should be humanly possible, and for long extended periods, multiple times a week, and this never happened. Doesn't mean it didn't happen to you.
Allow me to go down a different path.
You say that you've tripped on mushrooms for long extended periods, multiple times a week. Can you tell me about your highest "peak" on that extended period? By peak, I mean the maximum amount you had to take to achieve a full mushroom trip? Did you tolerance continue to rise as you continued to use?
Because I went from taking 2.5-3g initial dosage with an add-on of 2g-3g about 3-4 hours into the experience, to taking 8-12g in 2-3 doses in order to achieve the same high. Did you have a drastic increase of tolerance as well?
This question is for anyone who would like to answer and has experience with month-long, repeated weekly usage of psilocybin.
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Re: Official ## mushrooms completely stopped working for me !.. time for Aya.... [Re: LoneLobo]
#24013682 - 01/16/17 02:29 AM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Sure, totally normal trips, full psychedelia and hyperspace. I've always either grown my own or picked wild. I think that makes a huge difference to the experience. And I've almost always made tea from the fresh fruits and stored that frozen, rarely drying for storage. Ditto.
With repeated use you just have to adjust the dosage for tolerance - there's a peak tolerance at about 200g fresh mushrooms (of normal cubes that is - that would be about 20g dried) that you get to after about a week; before that each successive day takes about 50% more than the day before. There are no long term side effects, the only thing noticeable is when you quit these sorts of experiments there's a few days of flat affect where everything seems fairly muted by comparison to normal sober experience. The up side is the incredible trips, and being able to do that day after day. 
It just sounds to me like you're having trouble accessing the trip, as it were. It's a form of resistance. You can go from straight to full on trip in an eyeblink (literally - I've had this happen) once you discover how to access it more easily.
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Re: Official ## mushrooms completely stopped working for me !.. time for Aya.... [Re: PrimalSoup]
#24014218 - 01/16/17 10:10 AM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: Sure, totally normal trips, full psychedelia and hyperspace. I've always either grown my own or picked wild. I think that makes a huge difference to the experience. And I've almost always made tea from the fresh fruits and stored that frozen, rarely drying for storage. Ditto.
With repeated use you just have to adjust the dosage for tolerance - there's a peak tolerance at about 200g fresh mushrooms (of normal cubes that is - that would be about 20g dried) that you get to after about a week; before that each successive day takes about 50% more than the day before. There are no long term side effects, the only thing noticeable is when you quit these sorts of experiments there's a few days of flat affect where everything seems fairly muted by comparison to normal sober experience. The up side is the incredible trips, and being able to do that day after day. 
It just sounds to me like you're having trouble accessing the trip, as it were. It's a form of resistance. You can go from straight to full on trip in an eyeblink (literally - I've had this happen) once you discover how to access it more easily.
.... I have to say that the odds of it being a potency issue are highly disputable. The odds that I would have a trip after trip of amazingness and then get nothing is pretty statistically improbable.
.. I honestly don't know what to do other than eating a ridiculous amount of mushrooms I mean way more than I typically do. Or wait a couple months and try this latest batch again and see if the magic returns?
... without actually testing the mushrooms there's no definitive way to make a statement about the potency...
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Re: Official ## mushrooms completely stopped working for me !.. time for Aya.... [Re: voodoochild1000]
#24014244 - 01/16/17 10:20 AM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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There's no definitive way to make a statement about your brain's biochemistry too then.
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Re: Official ## mushrooms completely stopped working for me !.. time for Aya.... [Re: voodoochild1000]
#24014256 - 01/16/17 10:25 AM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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You had people explaining multispore genetic potency variation in the last page but now you know enough to say a potency issue is highly disputable?.. that's just poor reading comprehension.
If you really care to learn how it all actually works then grow your own, test the potency of your clones yourself and that's the end of it. Otherwise you don't know what you're getting unless you intimately know your suppliers cultivation methods.
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Edited by filthyknees (01/16/17 10:32 AM)
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Re: Official ## mushrooms completely stopped working for me !.. time for Aya.... [Re: Teemo 6T3]
#24014381 - 01/16/17 11:18 AM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Teemo 6T3 said: There's no definitive way to make a statement about your brain's biochemistry too then. 
....agreed... I think I'm just taking 8 weeks off of mushrooms and then I'll try them again and see if anything changes... ... sadly
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Re: Official ## mushrooms completely stopped working for me !.. time for Aya.... [Re: filthyknees]
#24014397 - 01/16/17 11:23 AM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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filthyknees said: You had people explaining multispore genetic potency variation in the last page but now you know enough to say a potency issue is highly disputable?.. that's just poor reading comprehension.
If you really care to learn how it all actually works then grow your own, test the potency of your clones yourself and that's the end of it. Otherwise you don't know what you're getting unless you intimately know your suppliers cultivation methods.
... stop being such a prick!
... I read that s*** and I said that I agreed with it but no one wants to seem to understand the fact that you get awesome trips again and again and again now all the sudden just nothing? On three different batches? I think the one dude summed up the probability of it and it was pretty low...
.... you can't just write it off as potency without taking a look at the other factors...
... or I guess maybe all the important mushrooms or extra heavy and fell to the bottom of the bag....lol... other people have tripped on the same mushrooms as well as us so it's definitely something going on but you can't definitively say its potency especially when other people are tripping on the same batch... and every trip off that bad for us has been f****** awesome now all of a sudden it went to 0?
..... come on dude.... don't act like you've got all the f****** answers
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Re: Official ## mushrooms completely stopped working for me !.. time for Aya.... [Re: voodoochild1000]
#24014403 - 01/16/17 11:26 AM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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So I guess you guys get shrooms and it's just totally random from those two days so might be awesome and some or just nothing at all?
.... I don't know about you but that has not been my experience whatsoever?
... can someone explain how I have like 75 awesome trips in a row and now three in a row with absolutely nothing not even the slightest bit of psychedelia.?
.... like I said it's like hitting Blackjack 100 times in a row it just doesn't seem probable at all...
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Re: Official ## mushrooms completely stopped working for me !.. time for Aya.... [Re: voodoochild1000]
#24014986 - 01/16/17 03:02 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Well it's strange. I really recommend growing your own if you can - it teaches you more shit than most people know and it's fun too. Plus there's the chance to grow the best shrooms in the world, basically, as many as you want... 
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Re: Official ## mushrooms completely stopped working for me !.. time for Aya.... [Re: PrimalSoup]
#24015105 - 01/16/17 03:41 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Sorry if I was a prick I was in a bad mood earlier today & shouldn't have posted
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Re: Official ## mushrooms completely stopped working for me !.. time for Aya.... [Re: filthyknees]
#24015170 - 01/16/17 04:03 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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filthyknees said: Sorry if I was a prick I was in a bad mood earlier today & shouldn't have posted
...sorry if I was harsh... it's crazy though cuz I've been in a bad mood and had some f***** up s*** happened today and I read something earlier that today is known as Blue Monday the most depressing day of the year!
...lol!.... peace Bro!
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Re: Official ## mushrooms completely stopped working for me !.. time for Aya.... [Re: voodoochild1000]
#24015521 - 01/16/17 06:40 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Just sounds like a message to me, why were you taking mushrooms so often? It's probably a message saying stop, you literally don't NEED to trip.
I would hate taking any psychedelic often
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Re: Official ## mushrooms completely stopped working for me !.. time for Aya.... [Re: Eclipse3130]
#24015535 - 01/16/17 06:49 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said: Just sounds like a message to me, why were you taking mushrooms so often? It's probably a message saying stop, you literally don't NEED to trip.
I would hate taking any psychedelic often
....taking a break... also we really enjoyed our bi-monthly psychedelic sessions....
...good times
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Re: Official ## mushrooms completely stopped working for me !.. time for Aya.... [Re: voodoochild1000]
#24015547 - 01/16/17 06:54 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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If you don't have any good reason to trip(which you don't if you're abusing them like you are)
Then obviously it's not gonna go how you expected it.
You are expecting the mushrooms to be a certain "strength" when the expectations are what's holding back the entire experience; what do you need the mushrooms for? Why are you expecting anything from them? If you don't have any other good answer than recreation(which is the only logical answer to be dosing every 2 weeks) than that's exactly why you are getting the experience you are.
Enjoying sessions is one thing
Falling into a habit is another
Be lucky the Mushrooms love you enough to tell you in the kindest way, than send you on a spiraling bad trip.
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Re: Official ## mushrooms completely stopped working for me !.. time for Aya.... [Re: Eclipse3130]
#24016547 - 01/17/17 04:51 AM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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I'm struggling with a pretty much identical situation and I've come to the same conclusion.
It's time to put down the scale and take a long, long break. Let your brain go back to how it was before you started your trips into the void. Let the third eye close again and the fourth dimension seep away back into some unrevealed dream.
When you return to the harsh reality of the material realm, then you will be allowed to return to the divine kingdom to see the truth again.
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Re: Official ## mushrooms completely stopped working for me !.. time for Aya.... [Re: LoneLobo]
#24016620 - 01/17/17 06:50 AM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Hey Voodoo, Idk if anyone has recommended this to you but when you go back to try another trip on the mushrooms you could grind up the batch that way ever dose from that batch would be equal in potency. Idk why your unable to trip right now defiantly seems strange, but I've read a few different posts about people in your situation. tripping regularly (weekly and bi weekly) for extended periods and then having lackluster trips or simply not tripping. Good luck on getting back on track.
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