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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: stzacrack] * 2
    #24006628 - 01/13/17 09:25 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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Are these policies that have been instituted "enabling" black culture to continue to believe that they 'need' handouts, or that for some reason they are incapable of succeeding without these policies?

Same old tired argument but I think it adds perspective- do other ethnic groups fleeing oppression deserve policy that gives them an upper hand when looking for work or in pursuit of higher education?




I think "affirmative action" type approaches are a bad idea. People from the group being "helped" will tend to have their competence questioned, which is actually a disadvantage for the members of the group who really are competent enough to compete with everyone else without this help.

IMO a better approach is to start from further back and ensure that everyone has access to decent primary and secondary education, so that they have a better shot at actually succeeding rather someone stepping in at the end and saying everyone has to pretend that they did. If some schools (e.g. in poorer neighborhoods) are testing poorly then maybe they need more funding, not less (to allow for smaller class sizes etc.) Teaching should pay fairly well to attract better talent.


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: Patlal]
    #24006629 - 01/13/17 09:26 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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The best way to pay the debt immediately is to leave them alone and treat them as if they're white.





that would be racist




Of course it is. Everything is racist nowdays, but let's fight racism with racism.




That's exactly why I made the thread

Since everyone is so sensitive we can't even discuss these topics, and this leads to policy which is racist to begin with impossible to change, because once you try to point out why it needs to be changed, you're called a racist

Its a sick and twisted cycle and I don't understand how it's spiraled so far downward. I hope a change in office helps us to be able to talk about these things and work toward making changes


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: Asante] * 4
    #24006635 - 01/13/17 09:28 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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The conservative echo chamber is about to fill up with the usual suspects, I'm outta here. :hotdamn:




So you came to announce you are leaving because opinions contrary to your own  are upsetting?


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: eeso] * 1
    #24006653 - 01/13/17 09:37 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

You see, there are white people:  :raisemyglass:

And then there are white people:  :loveintheair:


There are black people: :thisfuckinguy:

And then there are black people:  :awedrugs:     


The problem is, when there a camera in the room with both kind of white people, the camera will shift towards this guy  :raisemyglass:

But when there's a camera in the room with both kind of black people, the camera will shift towards this guy :awedrugs:     


Make sense or no?


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: Revok]
    #24006667 - 01/13/17 09:48 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

We needo igurenour a way to disallow black women to have multiple children. I Kean like, four and five. I saw a girl, maybe my age, probably younger, with five kids.

We can all complain about who owes what like children. Adults are actually worse then children most of time. What do you do wit a 70%+ rate of absent fathers. Ah do you do with a bunch of assholes that don't give a fuck about their kid?
Or the female is usingkid to extort money he doesn't have and torturing him with it. Its a common practice


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #24006680 - 01/13/17 09:53 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

I think we have a ways to go before the "debt" has been paid.  African Americans built the wealth of America not Quakers or the Amish.

"A Black man built America! I KNOW what I'm talking about!"
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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: Prem. Kissoff]
    #24006682 - 01/13/17 09:54 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Debt also implies after they are compensated they will leave, laughable.


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #24006685 - 01/13/17 09:54 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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We needo igurenour a way to disallow black women to have multiple children. I Kean like, four and five. I saw a girl, maybe my age, probably younger, with five kids.

We can all complain about who owes what like children. Adults are actually worse then children most of time. What do you do wit a 70%+ rate of absent fathers. Ah do you do with a bunch of assholes that don't give a fuck about their kid?
Or the female is usingkid to extort money he doesn't have and torturing him with it. Its a common practice




Why only black women?


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: Prem. Kissoff] * 1
    #24006689 - 01/13/17 09:56 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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I think we have a ways to go before the "debt" has been paid.





what debt

 
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African Americans built the wealth of America 




no they didnt


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: Patlal]
    #24006691 - 01/13/17 09:58 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

That's actually pretty much spot on.

Race is just an illusion, but if you're gonna break humanity down into racial categories, then yes, you will find both smart and dumb people in every race! The most crucial factor in that is education, anyways, and a lot of black communities are impoverished without access to decent educational systems, with no revenue from the american tax payer coming in to help any time soon, because they're blinded by conservative propaganda and really just don't give a shit anyways. 

But like Patlal pointed out, it's typical of the media and white people in the U.S. to sort of lump all black people into a single group and then put as their banner man an under educated male, whom they presume to be dangerous and spiteful. That's really the image of a black male in this society, the 'thug'. And it's pretty fucked up, but I believe that white people and black people who've been duped by the media and racist propaganda in politics will gradually begin to see their fellow human beings simply as people first, they just need more exposure and education through experience.


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: Patlal]
    #24006700 - 01/13/17 10:01 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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The problem is, when there a camera in the room with both kind of white people, the camera will shift towards this guy  :raisemyglass:





unless there's a tornado, then they drive straight to the trailer park for bubba earl's take on things

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But when there's a camera in the room with both kind of black people, the camera will shift towards this guy :awedrugs:





you cant push an agenda of stereotypes if you dont show the more entertaining of the crowd


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: stzacrack] * 1
    #24006701 - 01/13/17 10:02 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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Any theories?




I need to know who "we" is because I dont recall having a debt to be paid to anyone, much less any african americans




Well, I guess you're right

Who the heck IS we in this discussion?

But if there is no 'we' then why exactly do WE have to live with affirmative action, quotas within business and education, and so on and so forth?

That seems to be giving blacks an unnecessary edge at the sacrifice of more 'qualified' students/workers

Is that racist policy? Or what am I missing?




Yes, Affirmative Action and quotas are racist policies, yet liberals are in FAVOR of these racist polices and if anyone questions these polices they will called them "racist"!

Do you see how the game is played?


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: Chakra Shock]
    #24006710 - 01/13/17 10:06 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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That's actually pretty much spot on.

Race is just an illusion, but if you're gonna break humanity down into racial categories, then yes, you will find both smart and dumb people in every race! The most crucial factor in that is education, anyways, and a lot of black communities are impoverished without access to decent educational systems, with no revenue from the american tax payer coming in to help any time soon, because they're blinded by conservative propaganda and really just don't give a shit anyways. 

But like Patlal pointed out, it's typical of the media and white people in the U.S. to sort of lump all black people into a single group and then put as their banner man an under educated male, whom they presume to be dangerous and spiteful. That's really the image of a black male in this society, the 'thug'. And it's pretty fucked up, but I believe that white people and black people who've been duped by the media and racist propaganda in politics will gradually begin to see their fellow human beings simply as people first, they just need more exposure and education through experience.




All the cities in my part of the country have plenty of money for public education, money isn't the issue, it's the cultures that reject education.

"blinded by conservative propaganda"

I think you have been blinded by liberal propaganda, public education in the US is what you make of it, money isn't the problem.


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: Prem. Kissoff] * 1
    #24006722 - 01/13/17 10:10 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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I think we have a ways to go before the "debt" has been paid.  African Americans built the wealth of America not Quakers or the Amish.

"A Black man built America! I KNOW what I'm talking about!"
-MLK Jr.




Total nonsense, being the hired hand doesn't mean you "built the wealth of America".

The fact of the matter is, after slavery blacks in the US have been living a much better standard of living than their relatives in Africa.


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #24006727 - 01/13/17 10:12 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

They have the vaginas and wombs


I would hope for a more preventative measure then abortion.

They exaggerate the amount of inevolvement black slaves had in building the country. It was not mostly built by slaves


Education is so boring and difficult to deal with, I see why people reject it. Its like we become adults and forget school was like a prison run by undertrained old ladies, mostly, and some other shitty government babysitters that get through a page of material we won't remember with no idea of how it will be a fit us except giving us general knowledge.
Not that some didn't try, but you get 5 or more teachers a trimester and it all just goes past.
Maybe we wouldn't be packed twenty six to thirty to a room at 7am to learn uninteresting things.


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #24007002 - 01/13/17 12:11 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)



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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: eeso]
    #24007038 - 01/13/17 12:25 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

I'm just as 'native american' as every native american ever born here.
I didn't come from somewhere else. We all came from Africa. Maybe my ancestors were, but so were the ancestors of the natives.


That quote is completely right though. We are very divided, but thanks inevitable because there are different opinions

And stupid people


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #24007053 - 01/13/17 12:32 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

They can fix their own problems I dont care


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #24007063 - 01/13/17 12:35 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

We must fix each other's problems and afterword, we will all be a community again


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #24007075 - 01/13/17 12:40 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Nothing we can do, they need to stop shooting eachother, walking out on their kids and mooching off the government.

I dont know or care how that mess got started, but theres no law keeping people in the ghetto


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