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At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans?
    #24006474 - 01/13/17 07:56 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

And why are quotas for business/education not considered racist in and of itself?

With a republican president will the current race relations improve?

Or will things continue to get more and more sensitive to the point that we cannot even discuss issues in order to improve upon them?

From my perspective, it seems as if all these policies have been installed within our society to fAvor blacks, and to be a detriment to whites

Any theories?

Edit - I forgot to add a question -

Are these policies that have been instituted "enabling" black culture to continue to believe that they 'need' handouts, or that for some reason they are incapable of succeeding without these policies?

Same old tired argument but I think it adds perspective- do other ethnic groups fleeing oppression deserve policy that gives them an upper hand when looking for work or in pursuit of higher education?

Please no racist crap, just looking for educated opinion


Edited by stzacrack (01/13/17 08:17 AM)


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: stzacrack]
    #24006486 - 01/13/17 08:01 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

'We' don't owe them shit. They have the 15th Amendment.


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: eeso] * 1
    #24006491 - 01/13/17 08:04 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

If you think we own African Americans for actions that happened years ago it proves you know very little about the issue.
They systems of control and oppression are just as alive today as they have ever been.


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: stzacrack] * 4
    #24006498 - 01/13/17 08:10 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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stzacrack said:
Any theories?




I need to know who "we" is because I dont recall having a debt to be paid to anyone, much less any african americans


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: SARAtonin] * 1
    #24006501 - 01/13/17 08:12 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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If you think we own African Americans for actions that happened years ago it proves you know very little about the issue.




we dont own anyone, that's illegal


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They systems of control and oppression are just as alive today as they have ever been.




please, do tell


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: SARAtonin] * 2
    #24006505 - 01/13/17 08:18 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

The conservative echo chamber is about to fill up with the usual suspects, I'm outta here. :hotdamn:


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #24006512 - 01/13/17 08:22 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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stzacrack said:
Any theories?




I need to know who "we" is because I dont recall having a debt to be paid to anyone, much less any african americans




Well, I guess you're right

Who the heck IS we in this discussion?

But if there is no 'we' then why exactly do WE have to live with affirmative action, quotas within business and education, and so on and so forth?

That seems to be giving blacks an unnecessary edge at the sacrifice of more 'qualified' students/workers

Is that racist policy? Or what am I missing?


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: stzacrack] * 5
    #24006513 - 01/13/17 08:22 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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And why are quotas for business/education not considered racist in and of itself?

With a republican president will the current race relations improve?

Or will things continue to get more and more sensitive to the point that we cannot even discuss issues in order to improve upon them?

From my perspective, it seems as if all these policies have been installed within our society to fAvor blacks, and to be a detriment to whites

Any theories?



Thats absolutely right. Liberals want to go as far as rewrite history and make white people the new minority.

I watched a bit of obamas out the door speech the other day and the little i did catch before changing the channel was typical. You can read between the lines easily. He said we (whites) need to get used to these "brown kids" getting their piece of the pie and yada yada.

He also basically said that we(non whites)should look through the eyes of blue collar middle class whites and how the change/shift of power happening is scary for them.

Liberals say its about getting equal rights for blacks/minorities but its absolutely about elevating themselves above whites


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: Asante] * 4
    #24006518 - 01/13/17 08:24 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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The conservative echo chamber is about to fill up with the usual suspects, I'm outta here. :hotdamn:




Nothing of substance to add?

Just chiming in for sake of the peanut gallery?


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    #24006530 - 01/13/17 08:29 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Anytime I add something of substance to this type of thread, no matter how much it reflects a simple personal opinion, we get two pages of conservatives bashing the fuck out of me for speaking my mind and saying that I'm abusing my authority or whatever and not even addressing my point.

No thanks.


Its a setup for a bunch of white conservatives to bitch endlessly about black people being entitled and how sorry we must feel for the white man without tolerating any form of counterpoint, thats why 99% of pub dwellers check out of these threads fast.


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #24006545 - 01/13/17 08:36 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

The best way to pay the debt immediately is to leave them alone and treat them as if they're white.


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #24006549 - 01/13/17 08:39 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

They were fucking awsone when it comes to music and sports i mean jimi hendrix for fucking sake.


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: Patlal]
    #24006550 - 01/13/17 08:40 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

I think it's learned behavior.  My living Grandpa is racist and so was my Dad.  Making jokes and just being a dirty mouth.  It happens with african Americans too.  I'm sure some parents or Grandparents teach attitudes about white people.  Same goes for different religions or classes and cultures.


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: Asante]
    #24006567 - 01/13/17 08:46 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

I cantspeak for other posters but I value your opinion, especially if it differs from whatever majority is within the thread

It will help further discussion outside the box and reveal another angle to the discussion


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: Asante] * 5
    #24006575 - 01/13/17 08:50 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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Asante said:
Anytime I add something of substance to this type of thread, no matter how much it reflects a simple personal opinion, we get two pages of conservatives bashing the fuck out of me for speaking my mind and saying that I'm abusing my authority or whatever and not even addressing my point.




or maybe you simply get someone elses opinion which you dont agree with and you
decide to take it as a personal attack



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Its a setup for a bunch of white conservatives to bitch endlessly about black people being entitled and how sorry we must feel for the white man without tolerating any form of counterpoint, thats why 99% of pub dwellers check out of these threads fast.




what I see is that liberals simply dont have sound reasoning and once it's pointed
out how wrong they are with their claims that the whites owe blacks everything and
other related blacks are better propaganda such as how facts are racist and the
blacks are systematically oppressed the decide to get out before they have to
change their views when they realize how wrong they are


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #24006576 - 01/13/17 08:51 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

I wouldn't generalize liberals like that.  Sure there are some guilt ridden people bit they usually suck to know anyhow.


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: Patlal]
    #24006578 - 01/13/17 08:52 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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The best way to pay the debt immediately is to leave them alone and treat them as if they're white.






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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: Patlal]
    #24006580 - 01/13/17 08:52 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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The best way to pay the debt immediately is to leave them alone and treat them as if they're white.





that would be racist


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #24006622 - 01/13/17 09:20 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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Quote:

Patlal said:
The best way to pay the debt immediately is to leave them alone and treat them as if they're white.





that would be racist




Of course it is. Everything is racist nowdays, but let's fight racism with racism.


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Re: At what point will we have paid our debt to african americans? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #24006623 - 01/13/17 09:20 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

My paternal grandfather was notably racist (not particularly vocal about it) and my first boss was pretty racist. I've traveled on foot through many urban areas and have been referred to as "cracker" more times than I can count, not related to my expressing any racism. I'm with Pris#1 on this topic though.


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