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Re: Do you fear death or how you'll die? [Re: sudly]
#24008302 - 01/13/17 09:27 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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OK, so now I'm gonna have to be "that guy" 
Your all afraid of death otherwise you would not be alive. Think about it. Why not just walk into on coming traffic? Because you will die, or be injured which for most off human history was a death sentence, which is why we also avoid injury.
This thread is a massive denial of a perfectly normal aspect of human psychology.
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Re: Do you fear death or how you'll die? [Re: DieCommie]
#24008311 - 01/13/17 09:32 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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DieCommie said: I'm fighting stage 4 cancer at the moment. Its terrifying. I often wonder how I am going to die from it. At night in my sleep? In a fit of pain? Surrounded by strangers in a hospital? I have a big surgery coming up. I may not wake up from it. Shit sucks.
Sometimes I envy those that commit suicide, just a little. They take their destiny into their own hands. They face the abyss and jump right in. That's not me and I'm glad its not. But still...
Man, that's pretty heavy. I hope you beat it. Richard Dawkins once said "death is the anaesthesia that saves us from the pain of infinity" That's really the only uplifting thing I think I can tell you about death that doesn't involve lying to you. Good luck.
-------------------- Kupo said: let's fuel the robots with psilocybin. cez said: everyone should smoke dmt for religion. dustinthewind13 said: euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building. White Beard said: if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.
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Re: Do you fear death or how you'll die? [Re: blingbling] 1
#24008337 - 01/13/17 09:53 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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blingbling said:
OK, so now I'm gonna have to be "that guy" 
Your all afraid of death otherwise you would not be alive.
We can strive to stay alive and avoid being killed without fearing death.
Fear of death is a lack of willingness and ability to accept reality.
This is a common form of suffering, and is totally optional.
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Re: Do you fear death or how you'll die? [Re: DieCommie] 2
#24008368 - 01/13/17 10:23 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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DieCommie said: I'm fighting stage 4 cancer at the moment. Its terrifying. I often wonder how I am going to die from it. At night in my sleep? In a fit of pain? Surrounded by strangers in a hospital? I have a big surgery coming up. I may not wake up from it. Shit sucks.
Sometimes I envy those that commit suicide, just a little. They take their destiny into their own hands. They face the abyss and jump right in. That's not me and I'm glad its not. But still...
We've had our disagreements DieCommie, but if it's any consolation, I hope you're here to give me hell for many years to come.
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Re: Do you fear death or how you'll die? [Re: blingbling]
#24008524 - 01/13/17 11:56 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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blingbling said: OK, so now I'm gonna have to be "that guy" 
Your all afraid of death otherwise you would not be alive. Think about it. Why not just walk into on coming traffic? Because you will die, or be injured which for most off human history was a death sentence, which is why we also avoid injury.
This thread is a massive denial of a perfectly normal aspect of human psychology.
What if it's simply the correct thing to do for me to avoid obvious death, and so I do, because that's my role?
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Re: Do you fear death or how you'll die? [Re: blingbling]
#24008533 - 01/14/17 12:05 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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blingbling said: OK, so now I'm gonna have to be "that guy" 
Your all afraid of death otherwise you would not be alive. Think about it. Why not just walk into on coming traffic? Because you will die, or be injured which for most off human history was a death sentence, which is why we also avoid injury.
This thread is a massive denial of a perfectly normal aspect of human psychology.
Is a fear of death really perfectly normal? It's normal not to want to die but a genuine fear seems an overstatement in my view.
I would say not, I think it's more so a fear of the way in which we die or what might happen after we die with hell etc.
I want to die of natural causes, not of vehicular manslaughter if you get my jist.
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Re: Do you fear death or how you'll die? [Re: sudly]
#24008599 - 01/14/17 12:53 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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You can only know what is not real by knowing what is alone Real.
But still,
Best of luck with your cancer, brother, my mum has just been diagnosed with a very small growth but has to undergo surgery and 5 weeks of radiation therapy.
And,
I ain't walking out into traffic,
mainly because I just got better.
haha
 
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Re: Do you fear death or how you'll die? [Re: beforethedawn]
#24008606 - 01/14/17 12:55 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Srsly,
find out what is alone Real. You are already doing it.
Then you will find eternity and peace. This is not a world you are in, it's a simulacrum.
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Re: Do you fear death or how you'll die? [Re: sudly]
#24008733 - 01/14/17 02:23 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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sudly said: I'd like to do the cliche thing of dying of old age but I still worry about bears.
To me, that's more of a fear than death itself. A slow descent into the loss of ones self.
Fuck that, I wanna go fast 'n young.
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Re: Do you fear death or how you'll die? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#24008782 - 01/14/17 03:08 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Those in this thread who believe the fear of death is essentially an illusion should check out terror management theory. Its a body of social psychological work that gives evidence to the hypothesis that a fear of death is constantly idling in the background of everyday life. If your scientifically minded this should easily convince you.
Here is a short video by one of the founders of the theory:
-------------------- Kupo said: let's fuel the robots with psilocybin. cez said: everyone should smoke dmt for religion. dustinthewind13 said: euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building. White Beard said: if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.
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Re: Do you fear death or how you'll die? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#24008850 - 01/14/17 04:15 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Ideally I'd like to do a superduperjesus dose of psychedelics to end it all in old age.. go out with a bang I guess.
@blingbling There's no point in fearing the inevitable Best do our best to avoid hastening its arrival.
For me life is like a drain and we're just circling to the center enjoying the scenery as we go along.
 We as humans have come to be able to control our fight or flight response and transcend the existence of a philosophical zombie.
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A philosophical zombie in the philosophy of mind and perception is a being that is distinguishable from a normal human being in that it lacks a sense of morality, ethics, a conscience, qualia, or sentience.
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Re: Do you fear death or how you'll die? [Re: sudly]
#24008882 - 01/14/17 04:53 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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I fear death from time to time, the feeling was more prevalent when I was a child. During later years, probably partly due to reading philosophy and tripping I've come to fear death less. I might be a bit weird or something but not once have I cried at a funeral, I've seen it as a sad but unstoppable thing that people go away.
At times when I've felt worse, I've had suicidal ideation, but mostly as a distraction of my daily life as to just think about what exactly would happen. Only twice have those thoughts become more serious about taking action, as in getting an urging feeling to just go ahead and get it over with, but some rationally thinking part of me has stopped me from executing my plans.
The only time I think I really was close to death was as a teen when having an energy drink on top of some speed that was more pure than I thought. This combination gave me pretty much all the effects of an OD, except for cardiac arrest and death. During that time I got kind of worried about what family members would think but I didn't go to a hospital or call an ambulance. For some reason I just thought, "this might be it... well, so be it then".
The thought of just ceasing to exist isn't that scary in and of itself, I've even considered it to be a beautiful thing to be able to merge back with nature while dissolving and fading away this thing called ones personality. Then again the egoistic part of of me wanting to have and give positive experiences to people mostly overrides the thought of stopping everything. That Nietzsche quote has some truth in it.
I don't know if I have a point to make with this, but those are some of my thoughts and feelings dealing death.
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Re: Do you fear death or how you'll die? [Re: DieCommie]
#24008930 - 01/14/17 05:59 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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I am amazed at how many people choose suicide in the face of the inevitability of death, as if the act of self termination is proof of self determination.
but self determination only makes a difference during the planning stages of a project: once the thing is underway, things play out automatically for the most part, and not always as imagined.Quote:
DieCommie said: I'm fighting stage 4 cancer at the moment. Its terrifying. I often wonder how I am going to die from it. At night in my sleep? In a fit of pain? Surrounded by strangers in a hospital? I have a big surgery coming up. I may not wake up from it. Shit sucks.
Sometimes I envy those that commit suicide, just a little. They take their destiny into their own hands. They face the abyss and jump right in. That's not me and I'm glad its not. But still...
Yeah, shine on!
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Re: Do you fear death or how you'll die? [Re: blingbling] 2
#24009331 - 01/14/17 09:53 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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blingbling said:
Your all afraid of death otherwise you would not be alive. Think about it. Why not just walk into on coming traffic? Because you will die, or be injured which for most off human history was a death sentence, which is why we also avoid injury.
I disagree, I don't fear death, but I don't want to die, just because a person doesn't fear death, doesn't mean they walk around thinking they have super powers. I can't stop death from finding me when it does, that's out of my hands, so why waste my energy on worrying about something I have no control over? This is why I don't subscribe to religion, because I see so many religious people worry about what waits for them when they die, it's like they focus so much on the next life(?), that they forget about how to treat themselves and others in this life, and many religious people think it's their duty to illuminate the mysteries of the "divine" to their fellow brethren, often through questionable means.
I understand not ever religious person acts that way though, but just seems like the majority do, what's the point of life if you're constantly in fear of god, fear of death, fear of anything really, I know we all have fears we face daily, some are larger than others, but letting any of these fears dominate us, turns us into the walking dead, and steals the gusto from life.
Why would anyone walk into oncoming traffic just because they didn't fear death? I don't understand that logic?
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Re: Do you fear death or how you'll die? [Re: Lucis]
#24010007 - 01/14/17 03:04 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Fennario said: Why would anyone walk into oncoming traffic just because they didn't fear death? I don't understand that logic?
Exactly. Not fearing death has nothing to do with being recklessly suicidal.
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Re: Do you fear death or how you'll die? [Re: laughingdog]
#24010993 - 01/14/17 10:16 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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laughingdog said: death no constant worsening pain yes
also some other big human fears are insanity poverty exile or loneliness or rejection having your make up on wrong and not knowing it 
of course what really messes us up are bad mental habits and attitudes (like for example focusing on fears!!!) and continually making small choices that are poor
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Re: Do you fear death or how you'll die? [Re: goldcaphunter]
#24011018 - 01/14/17 10:35 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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i do not even fear if i will not have truly lived.
i am confused.
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Re: Do you fear death or how you'll die? [Re: sudly] 2
#24011070 - 01/14/17 11:15 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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I had my 17 year old dog Karl put to sleep yesterday.

That's him as a pup. Due to age his central nervous system was shutting down. His hind legs, bladder, and anus would not function towards the end and it was moving up his spine. He might have lived another week, but his pain was intense. I was up every night for a week helping him turn over when he cried out in pain from being in one position too long. I was exhausted from this. The vet gave him a tranquilizer and then a shot to stop his heart. He died in less than 3 seconds and in the final moments after the tranquilizer and before the final shot he was able too relax and finally sleep. He passed while asleep and in no pain.
This is fine with me. I don't mind death...it waits for all living things...just leave out the pain. Death is not scary, but intense pain is. Hopefully I will have the wherewithal to end it myself if the occasion occurs.
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Re: Do you fear death or how you'll die? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#24011376 - 01/15/17 07:04 AM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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He passed while asleep and in no pain.
This is fine with me. I don't mind death...it waits for all living things...just leave out the pain. Death is not scary, but intense pain is. Hopefully I will have the wherewithal to end it myself if the occasion occurs.
I agree.
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Re: Do you fear death or how you'll die? [Re: sudly]
#24011395 - 01/15/17 07:23 AM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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If death isn't so bad one may wonder why euthanasia clinics aren't a common option for the distressed. Indeed it must be because death is such a horrible state that any amount of pain is the preferable choice.
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