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Offlineunsui888
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Credibility of Sources
    #24003041 - 01/12/17 02:40 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

So I have to teach a course on "Applications of Critical Thinking & Decision-Making" this next semester and I am preparing a lecture on credibility.  I will be covering how to assess the credibility of the content of claims and their sources, plausibility, expertise, the news media, media bias, the Internet, and possibly advertisements.

I was just curious if any of you had any suggestions on how to make this interesting and possible things to explore, as this is probably the only topic/chapter I am struggling with in my preparation...

I was going to make reference to Animal Planet's fake documentary called "Mermaids: The Body Found", which has a so-called expert/scientist make a bunch of false claims about his discoveries when in fact he was an actor. But that's all I got as far as pulling from media. I know there is a bunch of shit out there I can reference and pull from. but for some reason I am just blanking on this topic.

Any help/guidance/references is much appreciated!


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Re: Credibility of Sources [Re: unsui888]
    #24003127 - 01/12/17 04:25 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

An example of non-credible sources might be something to set the mood.



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Re: Credibility of Sources [Re: unsui888]
    #24003370 - 01/12/17 08:26 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

On thing I personally hate is this. OK, you see a quote, and you see others use the quote. It is very powerful, so you go and find the source, and what you find out is there is no credible source!!! There is no evidence the person the quote is accredited to actually freakin' said it!! So what this does is make you question other sources they claim.

This annoys me very much because often other info the people are making is important, but I know that people, especially skeptical people will be on stuff like this as fast as flies on sht. I also will tell the people responsible what I think and to sharpen up their act. So that is important, and I hope you bring this up, and use examples.

Fck Mermaids, you want to go for the biggie--'9/11'. I got plenty of sht on that!

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Re: Credibility of Sources [Re: unsui888]
    #24003474 - 01/12/17 09:17 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

the earliest sources are probably

Buddha's deconstruction of "the self"
and
Socrates in general

as regards
critical thinking vs assumptions
as regards the present
you might look at these
http://www.skeptic.com/
stuff by michael shermer - for example


also searches involving
hypnosis
advertising
chomsky
may be productive

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Re: Credibility of Sources [Re: laughingdog]
    #24003742 - 01/12/17 11:02 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

logic and critical thinking and the scientific method
are underrated by those who are poorly educated
never-the-less
as regards credibility of sources
I think one lesson is that one can never be sure one has the final truth
the novels of John Le Carre and the revelations of Snowden show some of the levels of deception that go on...and then there is disinformation...and false flag operations
and in the world of science
there was 'piltdown man' and 'cold fusion' etc.
and then there charlatans such as Uri Geller

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=piltdown+man&t=hs&ia=web

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=uri+geller&t=hs&ia=web

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Re: Credibility of Sources [Re: unsui888]
    #24004267 - 01/12/17 02:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

There was an interesting propaganda piece done by Nova a while back called "Dimming The Sun".  Basically it was intended to prove the case that pollution was good and less sunlight was good, so we need more particulates in the air because they reflect sun.

In other words, exactly the premise of Solar Radiation Management, which is an ongoing program of aerosol spraying on a worldwide basis.

The program made some outrageous claims about how less planes after 911 made the earth warm up several degrees in a few days.  Crazy stuff.

Anyway I think that show was deleted I haven't been able to find it online for a while now.  I think Exxon and the other sponsors may have had second thoughts about it and took it down.


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Re: Credibility of Sources [Re: unsui888]
    #24005466 - 01/12/17 08:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)


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Re: Credibility of Sources [Re: Middleman]
    #24006166 - 01/13/17 03:44 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Middleman said:
The Fukushima scare is a good example:

https://skeptoid.com/blog/2013/11/25/dire-warnings-and-melting-starfish-fukushima-fear/




to OP, so if say you were presented with this, I would do what I just did which was Google: Comparison of Fukushima and Chernobyl nuclear accidents

I would want to know IF there exists good article debunking Skeptoid. Then you find out who is behind it, a guy called Brian Dunning. Who is he? What are his political beliefs etc. From a list of his articles it is seen he is a staunch militant anti-'conspiracy theory' debunker. This makes me highly suspicious of this character!

I would want to remind me and the class the essential meaning of 'skeptic':


Quote:


skeptic (n.) Look up skeptic at Dictionary.com
    also sceptic, 1580s, "member of an ancient Greek school that doubted the possibility of real knowledge," from Middle French sceptique and directly from Latin scepticus "the sect of the Skeptics," from Greek skeptikos (plural Skeptikoi "the Skeptics, followers of Pyrrho"), noun use of adjective meaning "inquiring, reflective" (the name taken by the disciples of the Greek philosopher Pyrrho, who lived c. 360-c. 270 B.C.E.), related to skeptesthai "to reflect, look, view" (see scope (n.1)).

        Skeptic does not mean him who doubts, but him who investigates or researches as opposed to him who asserts and thinks that he has found. [Miguel de Unamuno, "Essays and Soliloquies," 1924]

    The extended sense of "one with a doubting attitude" first recorded 1610s. The sk- spelling is an early 17c. Greek revival and is preferred in U.S. As a verb, scepticize (1690s) failed to catch on.




How it is defined here doesn't fit with this mr know it all at all at all.

So to the woodshed with 'Skeptoid'! There are a great many sources we could look at regarding the disaster of Fukushima without trusting this 'conspiracy-buster''s site.

Here is one site I recommend:


Quote:

The Impacts in Japan

The Japanese government has been obliged to acknowledge that “the severity rating of its nuclear crisis … matches that of the 1986 Chernobyl disaster”. In a bitter irony, however, this tacit admission by the Japanese authorities has proven to been part of  the cover-up of a significantly larger catastrophe, resulting in a process of global nuclear radiation and contamination:

    “While Chernobyl was an enormous unprecedented disaster, it only occurred at one reactor and rapidly melted down. Once cooled, it was able to be covered with a concrete sarcophagus that was constructed with 100,000 workers. There are a staggering 4400 tons of nuclear fuel rods at Fukushima, which greatly dwarfs the total size of radiation sources at Chernobyl.” ( Extremely High Radiation Levels in Japan: University Researchers Challenge Official Data, Global Research, April 11, 2011)


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Re: Credibility of Sources [Re: zzripz]
    #24006183 - 01/13/17 04:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

here is some research into Skeptoid's founder, Brian Dunning
Quote:


Wire fraud case

In August 2008, eBay filed suit against Dunning, accusing him of defrauding eBay and eBay affiliates in a cookie stuffing scheme for his company, Kessler's Flying Circus. In June 2010, based on the same allegations and following an investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, a grand jury indicted Dunning on charges of wire fraud.[20] On April 15, 2013, in the San Jose, California, U.S. District Court, as part of a plea agreement, Dunning pleaded guilty to wire fraud.[21]

From an agreement of the parties, the eBay civil suit was dismissed in May 2014 and Dunning was sentenced in August 2014 to serve fifteen months in prison for the company receiving between $200,000 and $400,000 in fraudulent commissions from eBay.[22][23] Dunning admitted that he received payments to which he was not entitled, commenting "I fully accept this determination, and fully accept and admit responsibility for every action I was involved in."[24]





Also: The Worst Thing Brian Dunning Has Done for Skepticism
Quote:


Even more impressive is the fact that skeptics recently rushed to give Dunning even more money, funding a Kickstarter campaign with nearly $15,000 so Dunning could print out transcripts of his podcast and sell them as a book, using volunteer time to ship the books out. Again, just to be clear: Dunning is a rich, convicted fraud who may soon be facing up to 20 years in prison (though more likely much less for a first offense). The very same skeptics who happily point out to Mormons that they idolize a fraud in Joseph Smith, and who tell believers of Sylvia Browne that she was convicted of fraud, are giving their money to a convicted fraud who actually used them in his criminal acts



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