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Re: Can I ever return to psychedelics? [Re: impaired420]
    #24009941 - 01/14/17 02:38 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Set and setting includes mental setting as well. If this is just am escape then what you are trying to escape from could be the trigger try microdosing for a few days that would improve your mood at least


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Re: Can I ever return to psychedelics? [Re: psilly the kid]
    #24010460 - 01/14/17 06:23 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

All of this advice really means a lot. A lot of it is very insightful and I've read every comment here multiple times. I definitely want to take a babystep back in. I'm going to go ahead and buy a test kit and make sure what I really got was LSD and make sure anything I take in the future isn't fake.


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Re: Can I ever return to psychedelics? [Re: Ringo625]
    #24010518 - 01/14/17 06:53 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

So, a couple of bad trips, what a big deal? Bad things happen on psychedelics sometimes, anyone who trips has to face it sooner or later.

And I have some advises for you:

1) Don't try to avoid bad stuff. This is what makes it repeat. Actually, maybe now you have to get a bad trip in a comfortable set&setting to let it resolve in a good way. I needed that after a very bad trip with a very bad sitter. I know it sounds wild, but think of it as 'closing gestalt'.

Anyway, you're not going to have great time on lsd if you're constantly afraid of things going wrong.

2) If you're not responsible enough to plan a trip that won't end up in a psycho-trauma, then maybe it's better to give up tripping. It's good as long as it does good to you (as long as you do good to yourself). By the way, why would you want to return to psychedelics? Is there a clear, conscious purpose?

3) You could try another substance. Just to cut off these expectations of getting bad experiences 'again'. I often get bad trips on shrooms but never on acid. Just because I've never had one and therefore don't expect any.

Good luck friend.


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Re: Can I ever return to psychedelics? [Re: kyu]
    #24011383 - 01/15/17 07:10 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)

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kyu said:
So, a couple of bad trips, what a big deal? Bad things happen on psychedelics sometimes, anyone who trips has to face it sooner or later.

And I have some advises for you:

1) Don't try to avoid bad stuff. This is what makes it repeat. Actually, maybe now you have to get a bad trip in a comfortable set&setting to let it resolve in a good way. I needed that after a very bad trip with a very bad sitter. I know it sounds wild, but think of it as 'closing gestalt'.

Anyway, you're not going to have great time on lsd if you're constantly afraid of things going wrong.

2) If you're not responsible enough to plan a trip that won't end up in a psycho-trauma, then maybe it's better to give up tripping. It's good as long as it does good to you (as long as you do good to yourself). By the way, why would you want to return to psychedelics? Is there a clear, conscious purpose?

3) You could try another substance. Just to cut off these expectations of getting bad experiences 'again'. I often get bad trips on shrooms but never on acid. Just because I've never had one and therefore don't expect any.

Good luck friend.




1.) I suppose my issue is maybe trying to go to sleep or something? I don't really remember what triggers these horrible times, but it usually involves me passing out somewhere in the sense that I just lay down and it sort of takes me over and then having very wild dreams/hullicenations.

2.) I've planned out my trips a ton ahead of time all except for this last one with my Brother. It's a mistake I won't make again. I want to return to them because they reveal something about myself, I have a deeper look at who I really am, what I really want and I feel a deeper connection and understanding of reality and the earth. I'm cracking open a door to cosmic conciousness temporarily, which is shut as the trip wears off, I don't want it permanently open, but peaking inside is very enlightening to me.

3.) I've done both shrooms and acid. In my experiences shrooms is a lot harder to control. The very first bad trip I ever had was on shrooms and then the following two trips were both LSD and I think that first shroom trip sort of influenced them. I've done shrooms and had fun, but I think I like LSD more. I also am a little cautious about traveling too far away from things like LSD/Shrooms solely because of drug tests.


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Re: Can I ever return to psychedelics? [Re: Niffla]
    #24013155 - 01/15/17 08:57 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

I think MAPS would be interested in your case. Try and contact them.


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Re: Can I ever return to psychedelics? [Re: Shroomyhead]
    #24013186 - 01/15/17 09:12 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

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Shroomyhead said:
I think MAPS would be interested in your case. Try and contact them.



Just through a quick google search I've discovered they're a LSD research facility? Other then that are you suggesting I offer myself as a research subject? What exactly are they looking for in subjects?


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Re: Can I ever return to psychedelics? [Re: Ringo625]
    #24013243 - 01/15/17 09:33 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

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Ringo625 said:
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Shroomyhead said:
I think MAPS would be interested in your case. Try and contact them.



Just through a quick google search I've discovered they're a LSD research facility? Other then that are you suggesting I offer myself as a research subject? What exactly are they looking for in subjects?




They research many different psychedelics.

Your case is unique as in not many people have suicidal/violent thoughts while under the effects of a psychedelic. They might be interested in your situation. Plus, they have therapists trained in psychedelic-assisted therapy, so they could really help you get passed it if you were interested in outside help.

To answer your third question, I don't know what they'd be looking for in . But here is their current and completed list of psilocybin research. I didn't see any current studies that your case would apply to though.

http://www.maps.org/research/other-research


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Re: Can I ever return to psychedelics? [Re: Ringo625]
    #24013387 - 01/15/17 10:55 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

it's common for technology and TVs to "not work" during trips, especially LSD trips. the universe it seems does not want us to tune in to that reality while consciousness is altered; it wants us to tune into...reality, through tools such as LSD. terence mckenna said watching TV is like watching a bad trip, and its not your trip. sounds like you were taking some pretty hefty doses. in my opinion, these visions and feelings of killing are primal human characteristics that are surfaced from the subconscious to the conscious level. it can be quite frightening. glad you are okay. i struggle with the trepidation about returning to psychedelics as well, mainly due to the fear of fear, and a pain condition that i have. i am sure you will be able to return someday when you know you are ready


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Re: Can I ever return to psychedelics? [Re: crispy86]
    #24013441 - 01/15/17 11:28 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

I don't think anything psychological is going on. I just think you had a bad trip. I'm not trying to be a dick but I think every one here blew this out of proportion. People think crazy things on trips. I had a similar experience to what your descibing. I can only do one gram of mush and nothing more. I can do high doses of Salva divinorum but that's a different story


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Re: Can I ever return to psychedelics? [Re: Psychedelictripper]
    #24013695 - 01/16/17 02:41 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)

A main pillar of Psychedelic Spirituality is NON-violence.

Your military direction is a big conflict with this.

There will always be problems and trials. But you need to develop and search for non-violent solutions.

"Swords shall be beaten into ploughshares - spears into pruning hooks. No nation draws the sword against another. No longer will people learn how to fight.

O household of Jacob, come. Let us live by the Light of the Lord"

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Re: Can I ever return to psychedelics? [Re: endogenous]
    #24013740 - 01/16/17 03:41 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

I'd recommend taking a break.

Those violent thoughts may be flashbacks to your LSD trip; it sounds to me that you're fearing a bad trip in which you have violent/suicidal thoughts, and every time something goes wrong, your mind edges a little in that direction of "oh shit, is it coming? If it does, I won't be able to control it." And from there it snowballs. Eventually, you're mind is settling into patterns it fears and expects - and with an underlining factor of that fear being that you're helpless to experience the violent/suicidal thoughts, you become exactly that.

No amount of preparation will definitely or even necessarily likely help you once you're tripping.
It's a trust thing.

So either trip very light and safe, or not at all.
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Re: Can I ever return to psychedelics? [Re: Ringo625]
    #24015025 - 01/16/17 03:15 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

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Ringo625 said:
1.) I suppose my issue is maybe trying to go to sleep or something? I don't really remember what triggers these horrible times, but it usually involves me passing out somewhere in the sense that I just lay down and it sort of takes me over and then having very wild dreams/hullicenations.





Yes, you know what happens when I lie down and relax during a trip? I go deeper. Sometimes, at that depth I meet something unpleasant (and you know what I mean by 'unpleasant', don't you). I guess turning off self-control and psychological defenses is what happens when you try to go to sleep.
So, maybe you got kind of close to this nightmare 'material', and it comes out every time you relax or get a provocation?

My first dozen of trips were very light and happy, but then I finally fell into the dark areas. And since then I'm having bad trips from time to time. Sometimes in series. But you know, I believe it to be a healthy thing. I mean, you stop running away from all these suppressed unpleasant things inside you. Don't you think a bad trip also shows a part of you, a part of what you feel, a part of truth? A part that strongly needs your love and compassion and acceptance. And not just to make it go away eventually, but to let it be. To let yourself feel what you actually feel, not what you'd like to feel.

I see it as an important part of any spiritual growth. And I know it's easy to say, but that's exactly what I'm trying to do in my journeys. To let myself enjoy the pleasant stuff in all it's power and perfection, but also let myself suffer or be afraid or be angry when it comes to that.

And I noticed that when I manage to face something bad or scary and truly accept it, it turns into something beautiful or funny. Every time. Without any further effort. Even though I rarely manage to do so. I've got those stupid paranoid tendencies that often spoil things in trips and everyday life. Someone could say I shouldn't trip at all, but I still get something from my trips and it's definitely worth it.

Sorry for a long post. I mean, don't fight the bad stuff, try to bring light into it instead.


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Re: Can I ever return to psychedelics? [Re: kyu]
    #24063437 - 02/03/17 06:54 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

For any of those interested, I went ahead and solo tripped. I did about 180ug and had a pretty solid time. I watched the Yellow Submarine which is basically made to watch on LSD, I didn't get much done at all that day and time flew by pretty quickly, infact I sort of ran out of things to do, but I definitely did a LOT of pacing around and thinking. I took a long ass shower and when I got out, I started looking at my body in the mirror. I've lost a lot of weight since I joined the military and this is really the first time in my life I've been fit and honestly I got kind of narcissistic just staring at my self, I was looking at my body in the mirror for a solid hour. I never had any intentions of doing so, but once I realized how long I'd been there it was sort of scary to think I was really just feeding my ego for a ridiculous amount of time. I felt like Narcissus from that Greek mythological tail who died because he was staring at his reflection for so long, I felt so drawn to the mirror I had to literally force myself to leave.

During the come up I was filled with anxiety, like pretty badly, but watching the Yellow Submarine, my favorite childhood movie definitely helped ease the tension and I was peaking around the time that finished and the anxiety slowly went away, but even such an innocent childlike movie like Yellow Submarine was sort of freaking me out at times with the crazy characters and sea monsters. After getting out of the mirror I got really self concious about possibly being a very narcissistic person, I'm not sure if I am, but at the time I was convinced I was a total narcissist and I wasn't sure what to do. I feel fine now and I'm fairly certain I'm not anything over the top narcissistic, but it was a little scary to think about.


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