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BRF/Bad monotub grow log, hella updates, lots of pics! Come watch me fail.
#24006023 - 01/13/17 12:46 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Hello, Shroomery friends. As you can see, long time (VERY long time) lurker, first time poster. I have a question for you, but I wouldn't be so rude as to come without bearing gifts first.
Once upon a time, there was a BRF-to-SGFC grow. Mistakes were made. The more hilarious of which include "thinking you can use perlite instead of verm in jars" and "attempting to grow cyanescens indoors" and "growing eight jars of trich because why bother turning my ceiling fan off or sterilizing anything." But like most, I hope, mistakes were learned from, and at the moment there's three fruiting chambers going, one with quite a bit of success. Let's start from the beginning. Got spores from a place. Did... well actually a hilarious excess of jars. I got sort of carried away.

Ain't they cute?

Things progressed well. Pictured behind on the shelf: the Contaminant Wall Of Shame. Had their micropore tape taped over with gaff tape once the contamination showed up, then just let it roll for a while to see what that particular contaminant ended up looking like. Kinda educational before going in the trash.
Jars grew as they do. Got all nice and white-like and then spent a week consolidating. Dunked for 24 hours, rolled in fine verm, chucked in SGFCs.

This is an extreme-dutch-angle (I was probably high) shot about 3 days after they went into the FC.
I'm sure every single person on this entire board is sick to damn death of the sight of cakes sitting in FCs and not doing anything, so we can skip that part.

Oh hello there. This was about 3 days ago, so... 8 days after they went into the FC. 4 days after I moved the FC into the incubation closet. I should probably explain that.
So, I live in a very old house. Like 100+ years. Single-pane sash windows. It sucks in winter. It's cold as balls even blasting the heat. I don't get cold very easily so I don't really give a shit but it ends up being like 65 on average, so my inoculated jars were taking a heck long time to do anything, and even longer to grow once they did do something. So I totally didn't rig a very small 100W fan heater in an enclosed space attached to a DIY duty cycle controller or anything like that at all.
  
...don't you wish your wallpaper was HOT LIKE ME. But yeah, all the jars went in there, and of course the heater made the humidity tragic, but the jars didn't give much of a shit, and ambient wasn't much better. But then I got the bright idea to put my painfully-slow fruiting chamber in there, and an SGFC can't keep up with that, so I also put a small humidifier turned very low in there, on the same duty cycle as the heater. It actually ended up also smoothing out the temperature so it's not that godawful sawtooth pattern that makes it super obvious it's running duty-cycle and not with a real PID loop. Success, actually. SGFC got up to and maintained 100% humidity, temperature was stable and 4 degrees higher than where it was before, and the humidity wasn't in any way unwisely high in the closet (I think it's only about 70%.) But yeah, that seemed to work like a hot damn, this is today.

Pictured: happy cake in warm fruiting chamber. Also pictured: nerd device to measure temperature and humidity. Still, can't argue with the results.

The slowly declining temperature is... well, it getting colder outside. The brief dips down to 94% RH are me opening the tub for whatever idiot reason.
So yeah, it's all going well over at my buddy's place, but there's also two fruiting chambers out in the living room, where it's... not as warm. Both are reading roughly 98% RH and 66F at the moment. It's... what you'd expect. They're coming along, but slower. They're just considering pinning I think, putting them about 4 days behind the one that was in the warmer closet. Makes sense.
My question is this. And then I'll show you the Idiot Tub to either laugh at or marvel at.
Got these blue-green areas on like... roughly six cakes at the same time. Much smaller and lighter areas are on a couple other cakes in different chambers. The thing is... they're all in roughly the same place. I should explain that being Canadian, I fell prey to Bernardin canning jars, which LOOK straight-sided, but lol guess what. So the cake comes about half an inch out and stops. About 25% of the time you can wiggle it out, at least with the cakes I had. About 75% of the time you have to smash the jar off it with a wrench. Ask me about my collection of broken glass. Anyways, these markings are right around... the only part of the cake that the jar would have been touching when some idiot bashed it with a wrench. This is also only present in the chamber that I've had humidity issues with (not BAD humidity issues, but it's not where I'd like it to be.) So I'm really hoping "bruising made worse by low humidity."

I should note that it doesn't look like the trich I saw in contaminated jars. I just want to be sure because that's in the significantly larger of the fruiting chambers.
Thanks for you help, Shroomery pals. I apologize for the godawful long post. I've just spent two days browsing "trich or bruising" threads where the damn OP doesn't even provide a picture, much less a story to go with it. So enjoy. The story of the Idiot Tub will be in the next post.
edit: I should mention that a significant number of strains were involved here. Not wanting to start strain chat but it was interesting that the ones that showed growth first were not actually the ones that ended up being consolidated first.
Edited by Shameful Idiot (02/03/17 01:32 PM)
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24006026 - 01/13/17 12:50 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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"bruising made worse by low humidity." or caused even though you hit with a rench..
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24006031 - 01/13/17 12:53 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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The Idiot Tub is... well, it's something else. Let me describe it to you. Before I realized I was going to have to just break the jars from away from the cakes, I tried to get a few out, ended up breaking them, and ended up cutting the rest up to get it out of the jars. I figure I did maybe 2 or 3 half-pint jars like this. I don't know what I was planning to do with the crumbled up cakes, but I just soak the chunks anyways. Bear in mind these jars are almost certainly all different strains.
Next day, new fruiting chamber proudly sitting next to the couch, I realize I still don't know what to do with these damn things. So I grab a Tupperware container I was going to use for turkey leftovers, give it a rinse, throw in an inch of verm, get it soaking wet with the sprayer, just throw all the chunks in, try to level it out a little, throw another half inch of verm on top, and wet that down. Fan and mist once a day. Literally never check on the humidity because you don't care because it's a tub made of actual garbage.

Here it is sitting on top of an actual real fruiting chamber. It doesn't really get light other than room ambient, which is to say medium-bright 5600K roughly 24/7. The mycelium is still growing fast. A weird smooth knot of it the size of a pea broke through the surface the other day (you can sorta see it on the right) but hasn't done anything.
I expect nothing from it but it should, at the very least, be funny.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Intelligentxfruit]
#24006033 - 01/13/17 12:53 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Intelligentxfruit said: "bruising made worse by low humidity." or caused even though you hit with a rench..
I only mention that because it only showed up after 4 or 5 days in a possibly-not-quite-humid-enough FC. If it showed up immediately, yeah, probably the wrench-hitting, although I'm no scientist.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24008814 - 01/14/17 03:31 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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...boy did I pick a great time to go out of town for a couple days. I should have set up a webcam or something.
Idiot Tub now has a wad of smooth undifferentiated-looking mycelium the size of a whole in-shell peanut sticking up above the verm from one BRF chunk. I don't know what the hell it is but it ain't a mushroom.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24013338 - 01/15/17 10:18 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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Cut to: roughly 48 hours after the previous picture. Just got home.

If I didn't have to work tomorrow... so yeah I think those are Cambodian. Maybe. At least the Albino A+ is pretty obvious, being white and all.
Pretty sure the discoloration I'm seeing is bruising - or it's the laziest trich ever to contaminate a cake. My mind is somewhat at east. Also the first Koh Samui cake went into one of the FCs before I left, so that'll be fun to watch. Whole lot of Allen Strain should be considering doing something interesting soon too.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24013598 - 01/16/17 01:23 AM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Psilosoulful]
#24015672 - 01/16/17 07:39 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Well that escalated quickly.
I thought I'd check on them before I left for work this morning. "Wow, those are really coming along." Closer inspection... "I am going to be late for work."

They ain't exactly foot long monsters but they look relatively non-shameful for Cambodian. I forgot the traditional lighter for scale but the larger ones are about as tall as one. Another cake, which I'd pretty much just glanced over and decided had a ways to go ended up having a couple veils nearly open when I got home 6 hours later. About the same haul. Haven't weighed them yet since I'm attempting to handle them as little as possible before they go in the dehydrator. I doubt I'll take any prints of this tub since I have no goddamn idea what they are, but the other tub's in the heated closet now as well, and I DO know what those are.
Update on the Idiot Tub - Hadn't looked at it much with all the other excitement. I guess I'll mist and fan it or something. The weird lumpy thing is now a bigger weird lumpy thing. And I think it might be hollow? I don't want to poke at it too much.

I can only conclude it will probably creep out of the tub during the night and eat my nervous system or something.
EDIT: Dehydrator showed up, time to bust them out again. 22.6 wet grams from those.
EDIT AGAIN: Harvested 19.8 wet grams six hours later.
Edited by Shameful Idiot (01/17/17 02:17 AM)
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24017890 - 01/17/17 04:41 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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If anyone's still reading this, I have a bit of a question. So I was looking at the Contamination Shame Station today, which I rarely do unless a contaminant does something interesting, and uh, a jar of Brazilian got ambitious (this was on the far side of it so i didn't see it.)

I guess it got better from whatever was troubling it. This COULD have been there by accident or from the couple days when I hadn't realized that a certain thing I was seeing was not in fact contamination. There's absolutely no sign of contamination of any kind on it that I can see.
So uh, what do I do here? I can birth it and find some FC space for it, but those mushrooms are probably gonna get a bit roughed up on the way out of the jar so I imagine I'd want to pull those off right away and dry them. I guess after that, dunk and roll and hope it goes for a second flush? I did check the other jars I thought were contaminated, this seems to be the only one that got put there by mistake.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24024475 - 01/19/17 11:17 PM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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"Hell with it, let's see what happens" never ended poorly, right?

Overall things are proceeding pretty well, I think two cakes are pretty much done flushing, so I'll re-dunk those tonight.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24027260 - 01/21/17 01:52 AM (7 years, 9 days ago) |
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Well, cakes are pinning and fruiting as cakes do, and the Idiot Tub has pins now. As well as the weird blob-like mass of... something. It feels very solid.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24032449 - 01/23/17 03:28 AM (7 years, 7 days ago) |
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The cake that I thought flushed, so I re-dunked, is in fact flushing again! These are doubling in size about every 8 hours.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24037423 - 01/24/17 10:15 PM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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Idiot Tub has been doing some interesting things. I've still been doing absolutely nothing to it except misting and fanning once a day. Most of the pins are actually doing surprisingly well for the neglect level. Some aren't.

Yeah I dunno. I guess down works too.
The mushroom semi-attached (turns out not really) to the Blue Blob Thing was getting pretty big but the veil was starting to open so I picked it - 7.76 wet grams. I'm still not entirely sure I trust it.

The first cake to flush got re-dunked and flushed again two days later. I'm not sure if it's done this round or not but it's being pretty impressive so far. 5 new cakes coming out of dunking tonight, and one that will hopefully flush again.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24037585 - 01/24/17 11:57 PM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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I just had some crazy in vitro growth, but forgot to take pics. As far as your blob goes, I don't know what to say about that. Maybe a mutant?
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: myc10is]
#24037630 - 01/25/17 12:38 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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I've tried not to screw with it too much. It's pretty much a solid bruise now - looks light blue on the outside (well, white on the very outside), but you can tell it gets darker blue inside. It started out pure white. I THINK, and this is based on, well, nothing except its density, texture, and proneness to bruising, that it's a really confused chunk of mycelium that started to become a mushroom stem and then decided against it.
I was half hoping it'd come off when I picked that fruit, I was going to dissect it for the entertainment of the internet. Seems like it's firmly attached to the mycelium underneath though.
Other highlights from today: in-vitro growth in contaminated jar (no, I do not intend to open this jar ever and certainly do not intend to consume the mushrooms growing in it):

...and mushrooms growing in a jar that is uncontaminated but whose colonization stalled two weeks ago.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24038016 - 01/25/17 08:29 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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This was a very enjoyable read
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: lovelaughlibs]
#24042932 - 01/27/17 03:20 AM (7 years, 3 days ago) |
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I hope so! Plenty to come probably, 13 strains are involved here... although I gotta say Allen Strain has been a clear fav so far.

Harvested another 9 or 10 grams from Idiot Tub too, which seems to be... producing fruit as normal actually.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24045654 - 01/28/17 03:04 AM (7 years, 2 days ago) |
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One of the Cambodian cakes just managed a 19.97 gram mushroom. Which looked pretty decent for a crappy PF cake. Attempting to take a spore print from it, we'll see how that goes.
Then there was the time I lost an entire fruiting chamber to cobweb and didn't notice for a day, but I didn't really want to have it open long enough to take a picture. Or in my house. Two of the cakes might have been okay but I'm not going to risk another chamber for two quarter pint cakes. This looks like a whole bunch of perlite to bake so I think that's going in the yard because a 35L sack is $9 at the garden store.
This mushroom is drunk and is growing another mushroom on it.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24045734 - 01/28/17 06:22 AM (7 years, 2 days ago) |
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Here's a nice pic of the cluster I harvested earlier. She came n at 72g off of a pint cake. I took a couple of clones from the beast. Keep up the good work! As far as s the cake you thought was contamed, sometimes I get minor discoloration and they end up fine. Mush myc can beat out contams sometimes, and sometimes it isn't caused by contams. I
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24045744 - 01/28/17 06:37 AM (7 years, 2 days ago) |
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Shameful Idiot said: I hope so! Plenty to come probably, 13 strains are involved here... although I gotta say Allen Strain has been a clear fav so far.

Harvested another 9 or 10 grams from Idiot Tub too, which seems to be... producing fruit as normal actually.
13 strains? Do you mean variety or have you isolated 13 separate strains on agar? Nice shroom by the way.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#24047923 - 01/29/17 01:55 AM (7 years, 1 day ago) |
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Shameful Idiot said: I hope so! Plenty to come probably, 13 strains are involved here... although I gotta say Allen Strain has been a clear fav so far.

Harvested another 9 or 10 grams from Idiot Tub too, which seems to be... producing fruit as normal actually.
13 strains? Do you mean variety or have you isolated 13 separate strains on agar? Nice shroom by the way.
Oh, I absolutely do not mean I have 13 isolates on agar. I wish. This is like my first time ever growing mushrooms so I'm not entirely there yet. I just meant variety of spores. I just know that strain chat is less than great so I wasn't really getting into the huge list.
Here'd today's nice pictures - while it was a relatively modest 17.76 grams, this Brazilian was awesome and toadstool-looking.

This is actually the same cake that did the big in-vitro shrooms, after I pulled those off I dunked and rolled it (perhaps I shouldn't have rolled, but I wasn't thinking), and now it's produced this. Which was impressive enough to attempt to clone in LC so I'll report back when that fails horribly.
I'm still having huge moisture problems in the one bigger chamber - but also I'm not? I mean it would appear I am, the cakes are dry, they're bruising from it, most of the fruits are pretty small and weak. Thing is, the humidity's pinned at 99% with occasional dips to 96%. Always is. Measured by more than one sensor from more than one manufacturer. But I'm apparently still having humidity problems. I'm going to try throwing in another inch of wet perlite tomorrow since although it's decent I didn't QUITE have enough that day.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24048033 - 01/29/17 04:17 AM (7 years, 1 day ago) |
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Nice get a print from that, clone would be better.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#24048069 - 01/29/17 05:36 AM (7 years, 1 day ago) |
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mrmazdarx9 said: Nice get a print from that, clone would be better.
I got a print from a more-giant one yesterday, might be my first viable print. Assuming I didn't fuck up the LC tek (this is not a safe assumption), I actually did clone that one, I guess I'll find out in a few days if that's a lie or not.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24053425 - 01/31/17 01:17 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Fuck the living room fruiting chamber so god damn hard, I'm sure it's totally the fault of the fruiting chamber, which is why adding another inch and a half of perlite fixed it, and not my fault at all.
Well, hopefully it works out. There's no more god damn room in the closet for anything but one small chamber. I put half the cakes to re-dunk while I was changing the perlite, so I'll put those back in tonight and see how they do.
Had a nice-looking cluster today.

Also I'd say that qualifies as a successful spore print. Hot damn.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24057140 - 02/01/17 12:21 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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this is a great thread, super funny. great work! hope to have some results myself soon.
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#24057565 - 02/01/17 03:15 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nice work fold that bitch up and seal it up.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: piglet]
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piglet said: this is a great thread, super funny. great work! hope to have some results myself soon.
I'm sure you will! Literally 100% of my mistakes were thinking I was too smart to follow simple directions...
The Idiot Tub is doing well today, other than one twisty-stemmed runt. Still just fanning and misting once a day.

It's getting a bit colder outside these days so the grow closet temperature has been fluctuating a bit as well - but never below 21C thankfully.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24061808 - 02/03/17 02:20 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well those were the shrooms from Idiot Tub that WEREN'T probably drunk, at least.

It's also shrunk away from the sides a bit on the top layer - so I just misted the living hell out of it. Hopefully that works? It's actually working out pretty well for something that was supposed to fail horribly.
Two fruiting chambers have had their perlite re-soaked (put the tubs in a bathtub filled to a very precise level), so hopefully they start doing better. Sadly whatever tek I followed neglected to mention re-wetting perlite between flushes. With an ambient humidity in the closet of 50-55% this is, it turns out, is sort of necessary. Looking to buy some H2O2 in the next little bit, I thought I had some but it's just a few ounces in the bottom of the bottle.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
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not bad for an old tek
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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LogicaL Chaos said: not bad for an old tek 
Old as in outdated/wrong or old as in... just old? I mostly went based on reading a million grow logs and watching RR's videos.
I'm aware there's a bunch of PF tek improvements that I didn't do (gypsum, etc), but for a first grow I didn't want to make it too complicated. Idiot Tub (which I guess qualifies as a monotub except bad and halfassed and wrong) is actually doing so well and producing so well that I might do something similar (except with a real casing material) in the future. I also have a couple ~1qt WBS jars that I thought weren't doing anything but were in fact just being very slow and actually ARE doing something. The LC is doing well, no signs of any contamination at all so far, and the tissue sample is getting nice and fuzzy (it's still too small to take a worthwhile picture of without a macro lens, which I do have but it's a real bastard to chase it down and keep it from floating away.)
In other news, apparently 1/4 pint cakes aren't very hard to lift...

The re-wetting of the perlite in two of the fruiting chambers seems to have helped a lot, they're both back up to 99-100% RH and the cakes aren't looking as dry. It HAD been a few weeks and even with the humidifier running the closet is still like 40-45% RH and decently warm.
This, apparently, is what your readings will look like with a SGFC that's struggling to keep up. The humidity numbers never really get scary but it's obviously not working as it should.
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You shouldnt worry about humidity and the other crap. You arent measuring the surface of the cake and thats what matters. Meters have no place in or around an sgfc its all by eye, your giving yourself stuff to worry about that really doesnt matter.
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mrmazdarx9 said: You shouldnt worry about humidity and the other crap. You arent measuring the surface of the cake and thats what matters. Meters have no place in or around an sgfc its all by eye, your giving yourself stuff to worry about that really doesnt matter.
That was basically confirming what my eyes were telling me (no condensation at all, cakes LOOKED dry, were bruising, few pins, tiny halfassed fruits, etc.) It's not so much that I sit here and stare at humidity readings all day, it's that the closet is across the house and I'm lazy as shit and want to be able to check that the heater and humidifier are still working without leaving the couch.
Inoculating some more jars tonight, still undecided if I'll use the good spores or make a syringe (or five) from the huge dark spore print I got
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
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Humidifiers arent ment for sgfcs either lol but each to their own I suppose. Maybe make a syringe and test it on one jar, it will almost certainly be contaminated as its fruited in unsterile conditions but pf cakes are very forgiving. Have a look into agar to clean up your spores and you can make yourself and LC so one drop of spore syringe can become unlimited LCs to unlimited grows. There are some very easy agar teks on here look for pasty plates for no pour agar or any of the pour agar teks I personally use pour agar in petri dishes.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: mrmazdarx9]
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mrmazdarx9 said: Humidifiers arent ment for sgfcs either lol but each to their own I suppose. Maybe make a syringe and test it on one jar, it will almost certainly be contaminated as its fruited in unsterile conditions but pf cakes are very forgiving. Have a look into agar to clean up your spores and you can make yourself and LC so one drop of spore syringe can become unlimited LCs to unlimited grows. There are some very easy agar teks on here look for pasty plates for no pour agar or any of the pour agar teks I personally use pour agar in petri dishes.
It's... well, I was going to say it's a long story, but it's more a stupid one.
See the original post for details but basically I live in an old house and it's cold as balls so there's a heater in the closet (a very small one), but that drops the humidity in there so low that SGFCs can't keep above 75%, so the humidifier runs on the same duty cycle as the heater. It's not running INTO the SGFCs or anything like that, just raising the ambient humidity of the area they're in.
My spore place sells pretty legit and reasonably-priced agar kits (pre-poured/sterile, etc) but I've been wary of getting too hard into that without either a still-air box or flow hood.
Back when I was obsessively checking BRF jars with dime-sized areas of growth every hour I was considering buying a kit (the box kind), now I'm glad I didn't.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
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Well now THIS is interesting. So one of my Albino A+ cakes (I think I got the syringe as a freebie from my vendor) is having its second flush and... managed to make one that is very non albino.

I don't think it's a separate colony of a different strain or anything, the first flush and every other cake has been nothing but white. I guess they can mutate back to normal sometimes too?
Also I guess my last dunk fucked up. "Nah, just rinse the dunking tank out with cold water, it's only been sitting there half full of lukewarm water for like... 4 days." RIP four cakes to trich and one to cobweb, which is in fact all the cakes that got dunked that day.
The fact that I'm barely even pissed off about this probably gives some indication of exactly how carried away I got inoculating jars.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
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It happens there are tonnes of different strains in a ms syringe so it isnt that unusal. They are looking a little dry btw.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: mrmazdarx9]
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mrmazdarx9 said: It happens there are tonnes of different strains in a ms syringe so it isnt that unusal. They are looking a little dry btw.
Story of my damn life. I just took the ambient humidifier off the duty cycle controller and put it on full-time. Even after misting I can only keep the RH at 100% for a couple hours.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
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...which it turns out wasn't enough since I also turned it down a bit, I went into the closet earlier and the FC closest to the heater but farthest from the humidifier was at 81%. I turned it up a bit. Contrary to popular belief I don't actually have a million environmental sensors and have one in every closet or chamber, I just have a couple for chambers I have a reason to be worried about.
Got another nice toadstool today, this one Cambodian. Didn't weigh it, but did attempt an LC of it.

Hopefully leaving the ambient humidifier on more regularly helps my dryness problems. Can't god damn wait for it not to be winter so I don't have to run the heat so much in the house and dry it out... can't say I enjoy 30% RH any more than they do.
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Well that worked. Put the humidifier on all the time, problems pretty much solved other than fine-tuning the output a little and pointing it somewhere sensible (which is challenging in a small space with shelves.) Everything's looking happy and not-dry now though, and the chamber that was at 81% RH is back up to 99% (or 100%, there's only two digits on this halfassed sensor.)
In another episode of "well that escalated quickly"... the first picture was taken last night at around 8PM.

Yeah, that's a BRF cake on its side, there was a really nice mushroom growing out of the bottom and there weren't any other pins on it so it seemed like a decent idea.
This is tonight at around 11PM.

The veil's a bit fucked from spending half its life on the bottom of a cake, but a respectable 12.4 wet grams.
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nice fattie
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LogicaL Chaos said: nice fattie 
I think I pulled down 60-80 wet grams today. It's quite a thing, I have to take a spore print pretty much every day now. My prints are sort of gifts right now - I've got some LC going, but from a tissue sample, not spores.
I now have like 15 syringes worth of spores.
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I was just bemoaning the lack of mushrooms from one chamber, when I realized it's already fruited three times, it's probably done. Cakes are looking pretty sad. Into the compost heap they go, I guess.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
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Who would ever have guessed that having a bunch of growing chambers in close proximity could end poorly if contamination develops?
Om the plus side, the liquid culture is coming along. And incredible hard to take a picture of.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24088819 - 02/14/17 12:58 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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This thread made was so interesting that I had to make an account just comment and say how much I laughed/love this thread... Well done my friend, you have given me hope!
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Newbie McShroomie said: This thread made was so interesting that I had to make an account just comment and say how much I laughed/love this thread... Well done my friend, you have given me hope!
I hope everything works out with whatever your current project is!
I'll grab some pics later tonight, but there's a bit of a lull at the moment. Some things needs to get re-dunked, some things are just plain done (my god those cakes shrink right up), some things are doing great but need more time (all the LCs seem to be doing well and not showing contaminants.)
Apparently now is the season when all bird seed becomes sunflower seed and nothing else, and I'm not paying fucking $21 for 6 pounds of bird seed, luckily the dollar store had some on for $1/kg. I'll be making half a dozen quart jars of that tonight, one of my grain jars is ready for G2G transfers (I don't have enough to actually spawn to any kind of bulk substrate, I only have two quart jars.)
On the plus side it's getting warm enough that I can start heating my spare room again, and then I can just put the FCs in there like a normal person and stop using a closet (it's not a secrecy thing, I have the entire house to myself, it's just been the only place I could keep at a decent temperature and humidity so the SGFCs could do their job.)
Speaking of, methods for cleaning perlite between batches of cakes? I was just going to mix in some bleach next time I re-soaked the perlite (and rinse it after obviously), it's a bit too much to bake easily, at least with the size of oven trays I have. Advice?
Anyways, I'll grab some pictures later! Grain jars! LCs!
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
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Im interested in the G2G! Im going to try to shoot up some rye berries tomorrow so that i can get a bunch of g2g going in an endless cycle, which will hopefully mean that i need no more spore syringes!  What kind of bulk will you be transferring to after g2g is complete and colonized?
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Newbie McShroomie said: Im interested in the G2G! Im going to try to shoot up some rye berries tomorrow so that i can get a bunch of g2g going in an endless cycle, which will hopefully mean that i need no more spore syringes!  What kind of bulk will you be transferring to after g2g is complete and colonized?
I was thinking of spawning to... whatever I can find... and doing a 50/50 style casing. The garden product selection in the shopping district here is downright tragic, the garden store (where I buy my non-sketchy 35L sacks of vermiculite) is kinda out of the way, and the feed store is SUPER out of the way, although they do have rye berries (well, they don't call it that, but that's what it is) in giant sacks so I might go hit them up this weekend. I can get peat moss though, so 50/50 might be the way to go for me.
I mostly just used WBS because I'm limited in how much I can lug around between a million different stores and I could buy it at the same place I was buying my canning jars.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
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Right on, right on! cant wait to see how it turns out for you. Good luck!
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Well shit, Idiot Tub.
The casing looked shrunken and dry, it was just producing a few tiny halfassed mushrooms, I figured RIP, 100-ish wet grams isn't bad for three broken up PF cakes stuffed in a 3 quart tupperware. I poured some water on it out of the spray bottle for funsies, then put it back in the closet because it was dark outside and I didn't want to have to go out with a flashlight to find some place to put it in the garden.
Cut to me forgetting it exists for a week, it basically just sits there on a brief delay on its way to the trash.
Then this happens yesterday. I have to pick that one because it's pushing against the top of the tub, it's like five inches tall, easily the tallest (but not biggest) I've ever had. A few more are popping up too as well as side pins.
Idiot Tub rides again.

As if that wasn't metal enough, it grew to that height while carrying the dessicated corpse of a tiny discarded mushroom on top of it.

In other positive news, I had to give back the dehydrator I had, meaning I had to go buy one. The new one has a temperature control, which is nice, the old one ran a bit hot for my comfort. Also got a bunch of coir (comes in bags here, can't even find the bricks, it's weird, but it's the right stuff), bunch of peat, crushed oyster shell, etc... and some tubs. So I guess we know what's next assuming these grain transfers don't go to shit.
In other news don't buy dollar store WBS. This shit is about 50% wheat, 30% cracked corn, and 20% actual decent seed. I mean, it'll WORK, but I ain't getting it again. I bought some better stuff for too much money today because everyone's out of bird seed this time of year apparently. God damn old ladies with bird feeders. People are trying to grow questionable fungi over here.
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That's metal as fuck, dude. Christen that mushroom xXC0rpseRa1s3rXx
Don't worry about dehydrators being too hot, they don't run hot enough to cause potency degradation in any way. Just put that shit on max and leave it for 24hours, should be cracker dry by the time you're back.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
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Hahahaha go big guy GOOO! Raising his brother from the dead!! That made my day!
How far along are your grain masters??
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He just couldn't leave his brother behind to rot... That is so funny
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Newbie McShroomie said: Hahahaha go big guy GOOO! Raising his brother from the dead!! That made my day!
How far along are your grain masters??
One of my masters is fully colonized, I made 5 more jars with it this weekend. The other is mostly colonized but is showing no contaminants. These were both made with spore syringes from a reputable non-sponsor vendor. I think they're Cambodian or Gulf Coast but I honestly can't remember so they're marked as "unknown."
I just shook one of my grain masters (the other is only 1/4 full, I have to work out what to do with it some time tonight) so it's not too photogenic, but tomorrow when it's re-colonized a bit I'll try to get a picture!
I just want to say I really appreciate everyone's support, and the hundreds of 10+ year old threads I read on here to answer my various stupid questions. And mostly RR's videos. Nothing quite like seeing it done.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
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So I needed a system to keep track of jars and tubs and where they came from and which spores went into it. So I downloaded Delicious Library 3, declared books to be mushrooms, and went from there. I'm using UPC-A barcodes and deciphering the results...

The top code is the cell line, the bottom code is for this particular tub. The cell line I can trace back to who I got the spores from, the individual tub I can see the whole history of...
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YOU ARE A GENIUS.... why has no one thought of this! How do you scan the bar-code?
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Delicious Library 3. It's used to track home book/media collections. Books are cakes/tubs, movies are spore syringes, video games are liquid culture, etc. You can also add "cover art" to display a picture of what kind of thing it is (like the cover art for all my spore syringes is a picture of one.)
You can scan things with either your webcam or the iOS scanning app which is linked to the desktop app. EVERYTHING shows up as a "duplicate scan" (since you already scanned it when you created the barcode) but it does pop up that item on the desktop app and show its name on the iOS scanner (ie "Cambodian Jar", with the full details being on the desktop app.)
It's not the best way to do it, but it's quick, and it already exists. I used an online barcode generator for the UPCs. You just have to make sure it's not accidentally a real product, so I added "420 69" as a prefix before every barcode.
Maybe it's silly and overkill, especially when I don't have all that many things going, but it was getting real tedious to see "CAM Nov 25" on a jar and not know if that was Cambodian from the spore place, or from one of my own spore syringes from a Cambodian print (and where did THAT come from), or from liquid culture, etc. Makes it hard to keep track of what works and what doesn't.
Basically I wanted to be able to take any given jar of BRF or grain and know that it was made with liquid culture which was made with a tissue sample from a fresh mushroom that was grown on a PF cake with spores that I ordered from my spore vendor.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
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That was an absolutely beautiful post Glad you still got a decent reap from the idiot jar, would love to find out what your total harvest is (dry, of course)
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JewishLawyer said: That was an absolutely beautiful post Glad you still got a decent reap from the idiot jar, would love to find out what your total harvest is (dry, of course)
I honestly haven't really been keeping track but I was portioning some out to throw in the freezer (I'm gonna be set for a year), and after I'd put a dry ounce in a bag that looked like a bit less than half of it. I'm honestly not really concerned with that, I just enjoy the process.
The idiot tub is continuing to produce. I also have a smaller Idiot Tub 2.0 (pics later) that's just the pint or so left over from doing grain transfers spawned to coir/verm. I've only kicked it over once so far, so it has a leg up on Idiot Tub 1.0...
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24112129 - 02/22/17 09:38 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Im sorry Shameful, but you are no Idiot... I am totally stealing your barcode idea. You hit the whole concept of knowing every little detail SPOT ON IMO.
And so you have already spawned to bulk? Im prectically doing the same thing as you, just a few steps behind you! haha
How much experience do you have with all this? Because you have been getting some awesome luck on all your grows ^.^
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Newbie McShroomie]
#24112148 - 02/22/17 09:43 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Newbie McShroomie said: Im sorry Shameful, but you are no Idiot... I am totally stealing your barcode idea. You hit the whole concept of knowing every little detail SPOT ON IMO.
And so you have already spawned to bulk? Im prectically doing the same thing as you, just a few steps behind you! haha
How much experience do you have with all this? Because you have been getting some awesome luck on all your grows ^.^ 
I've... sort of spawned to bulk. In that Idiot Tub 2.0 exists which is just a 3.3L plastic container with some coir/verm and some leftover grain I had from grain transfers (I didn't have enough new jars sterilized to use it all.) So we'll see how that goes. I've been putting off starting grain masters from spores (although it worked the first time), but I really probably should, the liquid culture is going to take a while to get to the point where I can use it.
Another grain jar is just about finished colonizing and despite the temptation to use it for a tiny tub of some kind I should probably just make more jars from it.
This is my first grow.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24112313 - 02/22/17 11:08 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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idiot tub 2.0 xD i can dig it! What tek did you use for your LC? Iv heard conflicting things about doing LC if youre a beginner, because "you wont be able to tell if your LC is contaminated until you have inoculated with it"... but hey, if it's working for an Idiot, it should work for a Newb, Right?? xD
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Newbie McShroomie]
#24112387 - 02/22/17 11:53 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Newbie McShroomie said: idiot tub 2.0 xD i can dig it! What tek did you use for your LC? Iv heard conflicting things about doing LC if youre a beginner, because "you wont be able to tell if your LC is contaminated until you have inoculated with it"... but hey, if it's working for an Idiot, it should work for a Newb, Right?? xD
What's the worst that can happen, I knock up a few jars with it and they contaminate and die? That happens sometimes anyways. I mean bear in mind once you've bought a few dozen jars and are making your own spore prints, screwing around a bit doesn't actually cost money.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24112450 - 02/23/17 12:44 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Man, I like the way you think.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Newbie McShroomie]
#24113732 - 02/23/17 03:02 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oh, sorry, as for what tek I used, just look for whatever basic karo tek you can find. 3-4g of karo (light corn syrup if you aren't in North America) per 100mL of water. PC'd for half an hour at 15 psi, single inoculation hole covered with micropore tape and then covered with another piece immediately after inoculation.
They were inoculated with needle biopsies of two fresh fruits. I drew maybe 2mL of distilled water into the syringe, PC'd it for 15 minutes, let it cool, sterilized the entry and exit points on the mushroom stem with alcohol (which bruises it like a MOTHERFUCKER), and slid the needle through while rotating it gently. After that, just used the water in the syringe to shoot the chunks of mushroom tissue into the karo water. Then just waited and they started growing little clouds of mycelium around them. A third attempt didn't grow anything but also didn't contaminate.
Resist the urge to flame-sterilize the needle before it goes in the karo jar. I know every cell in your body is telling you that you need to, but there's live tissue in there 
edit: I know this is the simplest thing ever but I was actually confused about it initially - which water to use. I use mineral water (not distilled) to make BRF jars and LC jars, tap water for most everything else (dunking, soaking perlite, misting, grain prep, etc), and distilled water for spore syringes. I'm not sure if it would have mattered for the syringes but distilled was the jug that was closest to me. My tap water here is pretty damn good though, healthy mineral content but not hard water, naturally pretty pure, low levels of chlorine and chloramine.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24114993 - 02/24/17 12:05 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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wozah! Thanks man! So would you suggest doing a 1/2 pint of LC? or doing agar? Can I do LC with Spore syringe? Liquid cultures are the one thing I have yet to really research or look into, so I dont really know much about it haha, but what you typed up with get my far! (once i have living tissue)
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Newbie McShroomie]
#24115128 - 02/24/17 01:49 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Newbie McShroomie said: wozah! Thanks man! So would you suggest doing a 1/2 pint of LC? or doing agar? Can I do LC with Spore syringe? Liquid cultures are the one thing I have yet to really research or look into, so I dont really know much about it haha, but what you typed up with get my far! (once i have living tissue)
I'm not saying this is the right way to do it but this how I did it. I tared my scale with a tablespoon measure and then poured karo onto it until it hit 4 grams. Then I filled my 1/2-pint jars roughly 1/2 full (so 120-ish mL.) Then the PC obviously.
You can totally do it with spores too, just don't shoot a hot sticky load into it, because too many genotypes can cause harmful competition. More spores does not always equal more growth, and dark spore syringes does not equal quality spores. Every syringe I've purchased has looked perfectly clear, but here I am with mushrooms.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24115155 - 02/24/17 02:21 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Six jars knocked up with Allen Strain from a multispore syringe,

Here's what the barcode scanner has to say about that.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24120209 - 02/26/17 01:28 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Doing an LC of a nice toadstool I got today - hopefully it works out!
And let this be a lesson in how fast things can go wrong. I checked my fruiting chambers when I got up, probably 1:30 PM maybe? Nothing obviously amiss. I went to check again just after midnight, just now, and one cake had TWO SOLID INCHES of cobweb on it. It'd spread 3" across the perlite onto 3 other cakes and halfway up the side. In... ten and a half hours. I mean I lost an FC but I'm sort of impressed.
Obviously I took it well outside of the closet to dispose of it and I've managed to contain cobweb pretty well in there in the past, but DAMN.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot] 1
#24121722 - 02/26/17 05:26 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just like my grandpa always used to say, you lose one chamber to contaminants, giant-ass mushrooms grow in the other. Well, maybe he said something like that. Probably not I guess. The Albino A+ I birthed a week ago have been going downright nuts, also resulting in what I'm pretty sure is the biggest single mushroom I've grown so far.

I'll probably do an LC of it if it's still viable by time I summon the effort to do up a couple karo jars. I've gotten perfectly healthy samples after 12 hours in the fridge before, although this one will probably only be in there for a couple hours.
In other news the grain jar I was considering convincing myself was fully colonized on Friday is now ACTUALLY good to go, so I'll probably do some grain transfers tonight. And probably another idiot tub if I have any left over because I think the other one is... some kind of fucked. These two grain masters (the one that was probably bad, and this one, which is certainly good) were a bit weird because I hadn't really done my reading and I shot the spores right down the center, not on the sides. So I thought they just hadn't colonized, and put them on a shelf, by time I saw any white at all they were nearly fully colonized and had a huge hard mass of mycelium in the middle that was near-impossible to bust up. The second jar came apart with a gentle shake and has quickly colonized the rest of the grains, so I have high hopes for that one, and five sterilized WBS jars ready to transfer it to.
I know there's some debate over WBS prep but what works for me is just rinsing it, dumping floaties, soaking it for 24 hours, then turn the stove on until it's steaming and just getting a few bubbles coming up through it, but isn't properly boiling yet, then dumping it out. Drained for 30-60 minutes in colanders over the sink or a bowl, shaking them every 10 minutes, then into the jars and into the PC for 90 mins. Nothing's looked too dry but I haven't seen water on the bottoms either. I'm a scrub so I just use polyfill stuffed through a hole.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24122021 - 02/26/17 07:22 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think if you can grow a mushroom like that you should change your name ;-)
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: lovelaughlibs]
#24122075 - 02/26/17 07:45 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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lovelaughlibs said: I think if you can grow a mushroom like that you should change your name ;-)
Everyone should learn to grow mushrooms that big, it's the one time in your entire relationship your girlfriend might say "that's the biggest I've ever seen" and not be lying.
EDIT: Also did you shroom guys never take props class in theatre school? If something's gonna crack when you drill it, put gaff tape (or duct tape) on both sides of the drill site to hold it together. Seriously. Also that way, if you're using a spade bit, when it finally starts to dig into your tub, it'll still be a bit sticky from the tape and not be going as fast or hitting it as hard.
EDIT2: to be clear, drill a 1/4" pilot hole (for the center of your spade bit) using your best drilling technique, slap tape on both sides of that hole, and then go at it with your spade bit. Very carefully. There's nothing wrong with taking a while.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24128835 - 03/01/17 02:31 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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lovelaughlibs said: I think if you can grow a mushroom like that you should change your name ;-)
Everyone should learn to grow mushrooms that big, it's the one time in your entire relationship your girlfriend might say "that's the biggest I've ever seen" and not be lying.
EDIT: Also did you shroom guys never take props class in theatre school? If something's gonna crack when you drill it, put gaff tape (or duct tape) on both sides of the drill site to hold it together. Seriously. Also that way, if you're using a spade bit, when it finally starts to dig into your tub, it'll still be a bit sticky from the tape and not be going as fast or hitting it as hard.
EDIT2: to be clear, drill a 1/4" pilot hole (for the center of your spade bit) using your best drilling technique, slap tape on both sides of that hole, and then go at it with your spade bit. Very carefully. There's nothing wrong with taking a while.
Or just put tape over the drill spot and drill through the tape... or is that what you mean?
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Newbie McShroomie]
#24132243 - 03/02/17 08:38 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Newbie McShroomie said: Or just put tape over the drill spot and drill through the tape... or is that what you mean?
Yeah that's what I mean. Even better if you put tape on both sides of the drill spot.
Been a busy few days - out of town for a conference. Grain transfers are taking off though, I didn't leave quite enough room at the top but I still managed to distribute the colonized grain relatively well and they seem to be taking off well! On Saturday, straw shopping.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24134608 - 03/03/17 09:15 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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So I had to go out of town for a couple days, I picked everything that wasn't a tiny pin, and I come back to this.

I'll probably print the albino one there, the huge one looks to have dropped quite a lot of spores already. The grain jars also really took off, all 6 of them, so once those are fully colonized, I'll use one to make more jars, and five to make my first actual tub.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24137499 - 03/04/17 11:38 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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"And here's what it looks like when something goes wrong."
I've lost my share of jars and fruiting cakes to contaminants, but this is extra-special. I was rearranging some books on my contaminant wall of shame and this one has apparently been hiding behind a book for a couple months. So here's what a couple months of lipstick fungus looks like.

Next stop: the trash, still in the jar.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24137596 - 03/05/17 01:11 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have read every post in this thread, this is hilarious and very educational. Thank you for posting this, I'll definitely keep up to date on this thread keep pumping them out man!
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Walkingbio]
#24137612 - 03/05/17 01:25 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Walkingbio said: I have read every post in this thread, this is hilarious and very educational. Thank you for posting this, I'll definitely keep up to date on this thread keep pumping them out man!
You want hilarious? I'll give you hilarious.
So a few weeks ago I had a horrible cobweb problem in a fruiting chamber. I mentioned it earlier, over the course of 10 hours it went from being totally fine to there being like an inch of cobweb covering one entire cake and touching three others. I bagged up all the cakes and wrote it off to not paying close enough attention.
Tonight, I'm dealing with a tiny cobweb problem in another FC. Just the tiniest little puff of it, nothing at all. I hit it with the peroxide, and tell my girlfriend that it turned black instantly and sizzled and was super cool, she wanted to see it. So I realize that while I bagged up those cakes, I never threw them out, so I can probably just go take them somewhere away from everything else and get a sweet cobweb snuff film going with the peroxide spray. So I rip open the bag, which was sitting in the corner right where I left it.
So yeah, that one cake still had cobweb. Sort of. It'd killed half of it. That cake is still a write-off but it put up a good fight. The other five cakes are absolutely perfect, despite being sealed in a plastic bag for two weeks with nine trillion cobweb spores. Not only are they fine, I picked fucking fifty wet grams off them, including this seven inch long behemoth that was actually making the bag tent up.

So now I have five perfectly good cakes to find a home for. I still don't entirely trust them to not contaminate something else, but I have an empty FC they can all live in, I guess we'll see what happens.
Moral of the story: never give up on these weird fuckers.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24138149 - 03/05/17 09:12 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fucking hilarious lol I haven't even started my first grow yet I'm nervous about getting a contamination the central air filters are DISGUSTING in my house. I don't have the money to replace them right now so I figured I'll do the inoculation in a still air box that has been sterilized. I'm going to cover the vent in my room with a wet towel and then spray down the bedroom and closest focusing more on the closet, then hopefully get a clean spawn bag out of it. Still scared, I won't be using jars just one big bag of grain good chance to mess up everything for me./:
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Walkingbio]
#24138884 - 03/05/17 02:24 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Walkingbio said: Fucking hilarious lol I haven't even started my first grow yet I'm nervous about getting a contamination the central air filters are DISGUSTING in my house. I don't have the money to replace them right now so I figured I'll do the inoculation in a still air box that has been sterilized. I'm going to cover the vent in my room with a wet towel and then spray down the bedroom and closest focusing more on the closet, then hopefully get a clean spawn bag out of it. Still scared, I won't be using jars just one big bag of grain good chance to mess up everything for me./:
Don't worry too much, the air is utterly filthy almost everywhere on the planet. It comes down to technique - you don't need to sterilise the SAB, just spray the walls with some lightly soaped water and work at a reasonably quick speed without stirring up air currents.
You know to sterilise bags for a lot longer than jars also, right? The heat takes longer to penetrate all the way to the middle of the grains. I've heard 3 hours is a good time but I'm not an expert.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: lovelaughlibs]
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Walkingbio said: Fucking hilarious lol I haven't even started my first grow yet I'm nervous about getting a contamination the central air filters are DISGUSTING in my house. I don't have the money to replace them right now so I figured I'll do the inoculation in a still air box that has been sterilized. I'm going to cover the vent in my room with a wet towel and then spray down the bedroom and closest focusing more on the closet, then hopefully get a clean spawn bag out of it. Still scared, I won't be using jars just one big bag of grain good chance to mess up everything for me./:
Don't worry too much, the air is utterly filthy almost everywhere on the planet. It comes down to technique - you don't need to sterilise the SAB, just spray the walls with some lightly soaped water and work at a reasonably quick speed without stirring up air currents.
You know to sterilise bags for a lot longer than jars also, right? The heat takes longer to penetrate all the way to the middle of the grains. I've heard 3 hours is a good time but I'm not an expert.
Do you think misting alcohol on the walls would sterilize? Or is the soapy water used to catch spores or other contaminants on the wall? If so I'll try that, also I haven't tried making my own bags or jars yet. I bought them from a what looks and heard to be a reputable supplier of sterile goods. The bags have ships as well, when I can afford a pressure cooker I'll be better off.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Walkingbio]
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I dont recommend spraying alcohol around in an enclosed space, even if youre not using a flame to sterilize. I once had a friend blow his door off the hinges when his mom walked by his sterilized lab and lit a cigarette.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Collector]
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I wouldn't spray it in there and light a flame next to it right away. Honestly I would give the alcohol and air time to settle, if air is moving around in there then it wouldn't be a SAB right?
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Walkingbio]
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Walkingbio said: Fucking hilarious lol I haven't even started my first grow yet I'm nervous about getting a contamination the central air filters are DISGUSTING in my house. I don't have the money to replace them right now so I figured I'll do the inoculation in a still air box that has been sterilized. I'm going to cover the vent in my room with a wet towel and then spray down the bedroom and closest focusing more on the closet, then hopefully get a clean spawn bag out of it. Still scared, I won't be using jars just one big bag of grain good chance to mess up everything for me./:
People have said this already but REALLY don't worry about it. I live in a super old house, I scoff at the concept of air movement even having a filter (right now it's three fan heaters), and I don't have a SAB or flow hood. I just turn off the heater in the living room about 20 minutes before I start working and use real, real good sterile procedure. I've had some mishaps but no more than anyone else has I think. And what mishaps I've had were from being an imbecile (setting the needle down on the couch after sterilizing it), nothing to do with my air.
And this is with a cat wandering through my work area regularly (I mean I yell at him but y'know.)
You can spray some peroxide on stuff too, it's an oxidizing agent but it's not as openly flammable as iso.
When I "refresh" an old fruiting chamber these days I run the perlite full of water until it's a slurry, pour a bit of bleach in, swish it around, and let it soak and drain for an hour before doing the same with fresh water. I also spray peroxide on the sides before I first put the cakes in (I leave it open for half an hour afterwards to let the verm adhere a bit before I spray it.) I mean it's probably overkill, but if you're gonna do this, why fuck around, right?
Just do keep them separate. My water sprayers are 750mL ones from the garden store, my peroxide is a 500mL sprayer from Walmart that looks way different.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24139128 - 03/05/17 03:53 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh, additionally, since I'm not sure when my bags are arriving, I decided to see if a heavy duty ziploc freezer bag would survive the PC. Being a smart person who doesn't want to ruin their PC, I stuffed it in an old pretty-much-empty WBS jar and put it in for 20 minutes.
Tip: probably don't do this.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: lovelaughlibs]
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Walkingbio said: Fucking hilarious lol I haven't even started my first grow yet I'm nervous about getting a contamination the central air filters are DISGUSTING in my house. I don't have the money to replace them right now so I figured I'll do the inoculation in a still air box that has been sterilized. I'm going to cover the vent in my room with a wet towel and then spray down the bedroom and closest focusing more on the closet, then hopefully get a clean spawn bag out of it. Still scared, I won't be using jars just one big bag of grain good chance to mess up everything for me./:
Don't worry too much, the air is utterly filthy almost everywhere on the planet. It comes down to technique - you don't need to sterilise the SAB, just spray the walls with some lightly soaped water and work at a reasonably quick speed without stirring up air currents.
You know to sterilise bags for a lot longer than jars also, right? The heat takes longer to penetrate all the way to the middle of the grains. I've heard 3 hours is a good time but I'm not an expert.
Would spic and span did the trick?
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Walkingbio]
#24142537 - 03/06/17 10:42 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Er... maybe? But not necessarily? Honestly peroxide is cheap and sprayers are cheaper.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24142544 - 03/06/17 10:47 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's already done now P: my girl got me some Lysol and rubber gloves. I was upset with the gauge of the needle on that syringe. Damn thing was so wide it took a chunk out of each SHIP.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24142546 - 03/06/17 10:48 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Shameful Idiot said: Honestly peroxide is cheap and sprayers are cheaper.
It also does nothing for sanitation.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Mr Piggy]
#24142565 - 03/06/17 10:55 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Doesn't it kill bacteria?
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Walkingbio]
#24142627 - 03/06/17 11:44 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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You sure as hell won't see a TC tag next to my name but I mean I'm presuming my friend's commercial mushroom farm that uses peroxide as a sanitizing soak and spray (along with iso for some tasks) isn't just staffed by complete imbeciles.
And that the cobweb I annihilated with it yesterday actually just committed suicide when it realized I didn't like it.
That said, it's very true that not every product kills spores as well as bacteria, so you have to make sure you're using an appropriate product for what you're trying to accomplish.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Walkingbio]
#24143371 - 03/07/17 10:02 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Walkingbio said: Doesn't it kill bacteria?
Not at any kind of rate to be useful.
It's like libs said, focus on SAB technique.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24143400 - 03/07/17 10:11 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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That said, it's very true that not every product kills spores as well as bacteria, so you have to make sure you're using an appropriate product for what you're trying to accomplish.
Focus on your technique more than "products"
I see on the last page you went straight spore syringe to grain. That's a great way to get contaminates. The experts on here hammer home again and again that SAB technique and clean spawn are what we should focus on.
Following the advice of TCs on here is going great for me. Only works if you follow them word for word, step for step.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Mr Piggy]
#24143525 - 03/07/17 11:08 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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So I sprayed my closest and SAB with lysol ,did my inoculation naked as well as tried to slow breathing an physical movement to restrict air movement. I wiped the inoculation port with alcohol as I heated the syringe, cooled the syringe with alcohol and immediately injected. With you guy's experience would you guys recommend more precaution? If so would you share the methods with me?
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Walkingbio]
#24143777 - 03/07/17 12:50 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Walkingbio said: cooled the syringe with alcohol and immediately injected.
This is a mistake and introduces contaminates. Cool the needle by squirting out a couple of drops.
You also don't need to be naked, just shower and wear clean clothes.
Are you inoculating grain with spores, or BRF cakes?
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Mr Piggy]
#24144269 - 03/07/17 04:19 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mr Piggy said:
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Walkingbio said: cooled the syringe with alcohol and immediately injected.
This is a mistake and introduces contaminates. Cool the needle by squirting out a couple of drops.
You also don't need to be naked, just shower and wear clean clothes.
Are you inoculating grain with spores, or BRF cakes?
Appreciate your earlier comments too, don't get me wrong, I in no way WANTED to go spores to grain, but I didn't have anything else to inoculate it with at the time (LCs aren't even close to being ready.)
Another fine reason not to inoculate immediately after you're flamed the needle is that depending how fast you're doing it you might be killing half the spores that go through the hot needle too. Easy enough to let it cool in the air a couple seconds, put a few drops through, and if you're still worried wipe it down with some alcohol but there's probably no need. You can spare a few drops of spore solution and there's only so much you want to go wiping things on a needle you just sterilized ("ideally nothing").
And yeah being naked is overkill. The important part is to not have debris from your face (hair, eyebrows, moustache if you have one) fall on your work surface, or that you don't breathe contaminants onto it. The mushrooms, I've found, don't really care if your dick's out...
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24144386 - 03/07/17 05:04 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Shameful Idiot said: Easy enough to let it cool in the air a couple seconds, put a few drops through, and if you're still worried wipe it down with some alcohol but there's probably no need.
Do not wipe with alcohol after flaming. It introduces contaminates.
I cool it with a drop immediately after flaming and have had zero germination issues.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Mr Piggy]
#24144442 - 03/07/17 05:34 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I agree with Mr. Piggy, theres no need to re wipe after you sterilize.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Mr Piggy]
#24144562 - 03/07/17 06:21 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mr Piggy said:
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Shameful Idiot said: Easy enough to let it cool in the air a couple seconds, put a few drops through, and if you're still worried wipe it down with some alcohol but there's probably no need.
Do not wipe with alcohol after flaming. It introduces contaminates.
I cool it with a drop immediately after flaming and have had zero germination issues.
Yeah I give it a shake up a bit (to distribute the spores around), which generally gets a little bit of liquid into the needle, then just squeeze out a few drops above my alcohol towel. Above. Not on. Mr. Piggy's right, if alcohol was good enough to sterilize it, we wouldn't need the flame.
90-100% of contamination issues I've had at the germination stage (which thankfully, after the first batch, was very very few) went in with the needle (as opposed to already being in the substrate / contaminating from the air afterwards), so getting that part right is important.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24147168 - 03/08/17 07:09 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well apparently I did a bad job with THAT spore syringe, I now have ten jars with the beginnings of very healthy trich colonies.
It's small enough on some of them that I'm waffling between dumping the substrate and just throwing them back in the PC. Thoughts? Perfectly fine idea? Not even close to enough to kill all the spores? Literally the dumbest thing you've ever heard?
Also since I have absolutely no desire to do spores-to-grain again but I do need a bunch more grain jars and the previous batch of transfers haven't finished yet... what can I throw in grain? I mean stem pieces would be a bit cheeky, but chunks of living mycelium from BRF cakes? I dunno. Or I could just wait a few days for my other grain jars to be ready to transfer.
EDIT: Speaking of stem pieces, my neighbor was over a couple weeks ago and picked a couple fresh fruits for a treat at home - he ended up not having time that evening I guess, so he put some stem chunks into a plastic freezer bag with un-pasteurized straw and sawdust. Apparently it's now fully colonize and free of contaminants. Lucky bastard. I'll see if I can get him to bring it over for a picture.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24160697 - 03/14/17 02:37 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, after being put together in... early January I think (it's mid-March now), if I dare to go away for two days, Idiot Tub still produces.

Bear mind mind that's just busted up scrap BRF cakes (1 pint total) with a plain verm casing. Fan and mist about once every 3 days. No fresh air otherwise. I have no idea how it's still going.
Rye has been... disappointing, even when inoculated with liquid culture. It might just be taking a while, or I might have screwed up my rye. Going to do a grain-to-grain transfer to it tonight to find out the easy way.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24176270 - 03/19/17 09:46 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Did you ever have a little bit of leftover pasteurized straw and some disused chunk of BRF cake and a cheese grater? If so, did you decide to do possibly the stupidest thing ever with it?

Because I did.
If this works I'm going to laugh until I literally die.
(Ask me about hand-cutting wet straw to fit in that small-ass bag. There actually are layers, I swear, but you can't tell from that side.)
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: MysticMoteToter]
#24184815 - 03/23/17 12:17 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well I will be god damned.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24184977 - 03/23/17 01:42 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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This has been a fun read! Excited to see what happens with your next experiment.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Fungtasia]
#24185264 - 03/23/17 06:50 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Love your post. Probably one of the better ones I've read in awhile. Keep it going!
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: MadSeasonStudent] 1
#24204356 - 03/30/17 02:00 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well that... actually worked.

It's pretty much fully colonized and the mycelium is super aggressive. It's attempting to get out through the zip seal. I guess I'll just cut a slit in the top and throw it in a SGFC and see what happens? I honestly wasn't expecting it to work.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24212458 - 04/02/17 03:58 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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So the larger straw bag (not that large, 1/2 gallon) was barely fully colonized and started pinning in the bag, so I basically just slashed an X in it (yes I sterilized the blade) and threw it in a SGFC. I guess we'll see what happens? I hope I didn't fuck it up. I guess I'll know by tomorrow.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24221339 - 04/05/17 07:19 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Huh, well I guess that worked. Pinning on the tiny bag. This can't weigh much more than a 1/4 pint BRF cake, we'll see what kind of hilarious "yield" I end up with. Higher hopes for the larger bag. Also have a hundred actual filter patch bags on the way (mostly for edibles but still.)
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24231671 - 04/10/17 03:08 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, I'm sold on straw.

Those two, which just happened to be the first two pins on that (no more since then, they were just early) were a combined 59 wet grams.
edit: they don't look big, but compare my thumb to the width of the stem, and consider my thumb is closer to the camera
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
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Im totally digging your thread man and nice job!! im getting some spores here in a few days and i cant wait to get started
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Cepheus16]
#24252705 - 04/17/17 08:07 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Winning is simply failing to fail. Good job!
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: mynakedrat]
#24260784 - 04/20/17 11:10 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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The straw bags produced a few nice fruits but were pretty meh. Probably due to horrendous fungus gnat infestation. Luckily I'm also moving right now, so I'll just not bring those with me I think. It was a fun experiment. Plus I have two more that are just about fully colonized.
The straw tub, however, the 5.5-gal one... took the plastic off and gave it some air the other day, cutting it a skylight in the lid tonight. I'm almost afraid of how much it's pinning.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24260823 - 04/20/17 11:29 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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thats gonna be exciting!
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: mynakedrat]
#24269563 - 04/24/17 10:39 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well this is progressing nicely.

I also have two small straw bags that are fully colonized - SGFC? The last one didn't work super well but I think the damn fungus gnats were more to blame for that.
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