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BRF/Bad monotub grow log, hella updates, lots of pics! Come watch me fail.
#24006023 - 01/13/17 12:46 AM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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Hello, Shroomery friends. As you can see, long time (VERY long time) lurker, first time poster. I have a question for you, but I wouldn't be so rude as to come without bearing gifts first.
Once upon a time, there was a BRF-to-SGFC grow. Mistakes were made. The more hilarious of which include "thinking you can use perlite instead of verm in jars" and "attempting to grow cyanescens indoors" and "growing eight jars of trich because why bother turning my ceiling fan off or sterilizing anything." But like most, I hope, mistakes were learned from, and at the moment there's three fruiting chambers going, one with quite a bit of success. Let's start from the beginning. Got spores from a place. Did... well actually a hilarious excess of jars. I got sort of carried away.

Ain't they cute?

Things progressed well. Pictured behind on the shelf: the Contaminant Wall Of Shame. Had their micropore tape taped over with gaff tape once the contamination showed up, then just let it roll for a while to see what that particular contaminant ended up looking like. Kinda educational before going in the trash.
Jars grew as they do. Got all nice and white-like and then spent a week consolidating. Dunked for 24 hours, rolled in fine verm, chucked in SGFCs.

This is an extreme-dutch-angle (I was probably high) shot about 3 days after they went into the FC.
I'm sure every single person on this entire board is sick to damn death of the sight of cakes sitting in FCs and not doing anything, so we can skip that part.

Oh hello there. This was about 3 days ago, so... 8 days after they went into the FC. 4 days after I moved the FC into the incubation closet. I should probably explain that.
So, I live in a very old house. Like 100+ years. Single-pane sash windows. It sucks in winter. It's cold as balls even blasting the heat. I don't get cold very easily so I don't really give a shit but it ends up being like 65 on average, so my inoculated jars were taking a heck long time to do anything, and even longer to grow once they did do something. So I totally didn't rig a very small 100W fan heater in an enclosed space attached to a DIY duty cycle controller or anything like that at all.
  
...don't you wish your wallpaper was HOT LIKE ME. But yeah, all the jars went in there, and of course the heater made the humidity tragic, but the jars didn't give much of a shit, and ambient wasn't much better. But then I got the bright idea to put my painfully-slow fruiting chamber in there, and an SGFC can't keep up with that, so I also put a small humidifier turned very low in there, on the same duty cycle as the heater. It actually ended up also smoothing out the temperature so it's not that godawful sawtooth pattern that makes it super obvious it's running duty-cycle and not with a real PID loop. Success, actually. SGFC got up to and maintained 100% humidity, temperature was stable and 4 degrees higher than where it was before, and the humidity wasn't in any way unwisely high in the closet (I think it's only about 70%.) But yeah, that seemed to work like a hot damn, this is today.

Pictured: happy cake in warm fruiting chamber. Also pictured: nerd device to measure temperature and humidity. Still, can't argue with the results.

The slowly declining temperature is... well, it getting colder outside. The brief dips down to 94% RH are me opening the tub for whatever idiot reason.
So yeah, it's all going well over at my buddy's place, but there's also two fruiting chambers out in the living room, where it's... not as warm. Both are reading roughly 98% RH and 66F at the moment. It's... what you'd expect. They're coming along, but slower. They're just considering pinning I think, putting them about 4 days behind the one that was in the warmer closet. Makes sense.
My question is this. And then I'll show you the Idiot Tub to either laugh at or marvel at.
Got these blue-green areas on like... roughly six cakes at the same time. Much smaller and lighter areas are on a couple other cakes in different chambers. The thing is... they're all in roughly the same place. I should explain that being Canadian, I fell prey to Bernardin canning jars, which LOOK straight-sided, but lol guess what. So the cake comes about half an inch out and stops. About 25% of the time you can wiggle it out, at least with the cakes I had. About 75% of the time you have to smash the jar off it with a wrench. Ask me about my collection of broken glass. Anyways, these markings are right around... the only part of the cake that the jar would have been touching when some idiot bashed it with a wrench. This is also only present in the chamber that I've had humidity issues with (not BAD humidity issues, but it's not where I'd like it to be.) So I'm really hoping "bruising made worse by low humidity."

I should note that it doesn't look like the trich I saw in contaminated jars. I just want to be sure because that's in the significantly larger of the fruiting chambers.
Thanks for you help, Shroomery pals. I apologize for the godawful long post. I've just spent two days browsing "trich or bruising" threads where the damn OP doesn't even provide a picture, much less a story to go with it. So enjoy. The story of the Idiot Tub will be in the next post.
edit: I should mention that a significant number of strains were involved here. Not wanting to start strain chat but it was interesting that the ones that showed growth first were not actually the ones that ended up being consolidated first.
Edited by Shameful Idiot (02/03/17 01:32 PM)
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24006026 - 01/13/17 12:50 AM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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"bruising made worse by low humidity." or caused even though you hit with a rench..
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24006031 - 01/13/17 12:53 AM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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The Idiot Tub is... well, it's something else. Let me describe it to you. Before I realized I was going to have to just break the jars from away from the cakes, I tried to get a few out, ended up breaking them, and ended up cutting the rest up to get it out of the jars. I figure I did maybe 2 or 3 half-pint jars like this. I don't know what I was planning to do with the crumbled up cakes, but I just soak the chunks anyways. Bear in mind these jars are almost certainly all different strains.
Next day, new fruiting chamber proudly sitting next to the couch, I realize I still don't know what to do with these damn things. So I grab a Tupperware container I was going to use for turkey leftovers, give it a rinse, throw in an inch of verm, get it soaking wet with the sprayer, just throw all the chunks in, try to level it out a little, throw another half inch of verm on top, and wet that down. Fan and mist once a day. Literally never check on the humidity because you don't care because it's a tub made of actual garbage.

Here it is sitting on top of an actual real fruiting chamber. It doesn't really get light other than room ambient, which is to say medium-bright 5600K roughly 24/7. The mycelium is still growing fast. A weird smooth knot of it the size of a pea broke through the surface the other day (you can sorta see it on the right) but hasn't done anything.
I expect nothing from it but it should, at the very least, be funny.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Intelligentxfruit]
#24006033 - 01/13/17 12:53 AM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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Quote:
Intelligentxfruit said: "bruising made worse by low humidity." or caused even though you hit with a rench..
I only mention that because it only showed up after 4 or 5 days in a possibly-not-quite-humid-enough FC. If it showed up immediately, yeah, probably the wrench-hitting, although I'm no scientist.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24008814 - 01/14/17 03:31 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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...boy did I pick a great time to go out of town for a couple days. I should have set up a webcam or something.
Idiot Tub now has a wad of smooth undifferentiated-looking mycelium the size of a whole in-shell peanut sticking up above the verm from one BRF chunk. I don't know what the hell it is but it ain't a mushroom.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24013338 - 01/15/17 10:18 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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Cut to: roughly 48 hours after the previous picture. Just got home.

If I didn't have to work tomorrow... so yeah I think those are Cambodian. Maybe. At least the Albino A+ is pretty obvious, being white and all.
Pretty sure the discoloration I'm seeing is bruising - or it's the laziest trich ever to contaminate a cake. My mind is somewhat at east. Also the first Koh Samui cake went into one of the FCs before I left, so that'll be fun to watch. Whole lot of Allen Strain should be considering doing something interesting soon too.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24013598 - 01/16/17 01:23 AM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Psilosoulful]
#24015672 - 01/16/17 07:39 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Well that escalated quickly.
I thought I'd check on them before I left for work this morning. "Wow, those are really coming along." Closer inspection... "I am going to be late for work."

They ain't exactly foot long monsters but they look relatively non-shameful for Cambodian. I forgot the traditional lighter for scale but the larger ones are about as tall as one. Another cake, which I'd pretty much just glanced over and decided had a ways to go ended up having a couple veils nearly open when I got home 6 hours later. About the same haul. Haven't weighed them yet since I'm attempting to handle them as little as possible before they go in the dehydrator. I doubt I'll take any prints of this tub since I have no goddamn idea what they are, but the other tub's in the heated closet now as well, and I DO know what those are.
Update on the Idiot Tub - Hadn't looked at it much with all the other excitement. I guess I'll mist and fan it or something. The weird lumpy thing is now a bigger weird lumpy thing. And I think it might be hollow? I don't want to poke at it too much.

I can only conclude it will probably creep out of the tub during the night and eat my nervous system or something.
EDIT: Dehydrator showed up, time to bust them out again. 22.6 wet grams from those.
EDIT AGAIN: Harvested 19.8 wet grams six hours later.
Edited by Shameful Idiot (01/17/17 02:17 AM)
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24017890 - 01/17/17 04:41 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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If anyone's still reading this, I have a bit of a question. So I was looking at the Contamination Shame Station today, which I rarely do unless a contaminant does something interesting, and uh, a jar of Brazilian got ambitious (this was on the far side of it so i didn't see it.)

I guess it got better from whatever was troubling it. This COULD have been there by accident or from the couple days when I hadn't realized that a certain thing I was seeing was not in fact contamination. There's absolutely no sign of contamination of any kind on it that I can see.
So uh, what do I do here? I can birth it and find some FC space for it, but those mushrooms are probably gonna get a bit roughed up on the way out of the jar so I imagine I'd want to pull those off right away and dry them. I guess after that, dunk and roll and hope it goes for a second flush? I did check the other jars I thought were contaminated, this seems to be the only one that got put there by mistake.
Edited by Shameful Idiot (01/17/17 04:55 PM)
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24024475 - 01/19/17 11:17 PM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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"Hell with it, let's see what happens" never ended poorly, right?

Overall things are proceeding pretty well, I think two cakes are pretty much done flushing, so I'll re-dunk those tonight.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24027260 - 01/21/17 01:52 AM (7 years, 9 days ago) |
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Well, cakes are pinning and fruiting as cakes do, and the Idiot Tub has pins now. As well as the weird blob-like mass of... something. It feels very solid.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24032449 - 01/23/17 03:28 AM (7 years, 7 days ago) |
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The cake that I thought flushed, so I re-dunked, is in fact flushing again! These are doubling in size about every 8 hours.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24037423 - 01/24/17 10:15 PM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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Idiot Tub has been doing some interesting things. I've still been doing absolutely nothing to it except misting and fanning once a day. Most of the pins are actually doing surprisingly well for the neglect level. Some aren't.

Yeah I dunno. I guess down works too.
The mushroom semi-attached (turns out not really) to the Blue Blob Thing was getting pretty big but the veil was starting to open so I picked it - 7.76 wet grams. I'm still not entirely sure I trust it.

The first cake to flush got re-dunked and flushed again two days later. I'm not sure if it's done this round or not but it's being pretty impressive so far. 5 new cakes coming out of dunking tonight, and one that will hopefully flush again.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24037585 - 01/24/17 11:57 PM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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I just had some crazy in vitro growth, but forgot to take pics. As far as your blob goes, I don't know what to say about that. Maybe a mutant?
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: myc10is]
#24037630 - 01/25/17 12:38 AM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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I've tried not to screw with it too much. It's pretty much a solid bruise now - looks light blue on the outside (well, white on the very outside), but you can tell it gets darker blue inside. It started out pure white. I THINK, and this is based on, well, nothing except its density, texture, and proneness to bruising, that it's a really confused chunk of mycelium that started to become a mushroom stem and then decided against it.
I was half hoping it'd come off when I picked that fruit, I was going to dissect it for the entertainment of the internet. Seems like it's firmly attached to the mycelium underneath though.
Other highlights from today: in-vitro growth in contaminated jar (no, I do not intend to open this jar ever and certainly do not intend to consume the mushrooms growing in it):

...and mushrooms growing in a jar that is uncontaminated but whose colonization stalled two weeks ago.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24038016 - 01/25/17 08:29 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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This was a very enjoyable read
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: lovelaughlibs]
#24042932 - 01/27/17 03:20 AM (7 years, 3 days ago) |
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I hope so! Plenty to come probably, 13 strains are involved here... although I gotta say Allen Strain has been a clear fav so far.

Harvested another 9 or 10 grams from Idiot Tub too, which seems to be... producing fruit as normal actually.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24045654 - 01/28/17 03:04 AM (7 years, 2 days ago) |
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One of the Cambodian cakes just managed a 19.97 gram mushroom. Which looked pretty decent for a crappy PF cake. Attempting to take a spore print from it, we'll see how that goes.
Then there was the time I lost an entire fruiting chamber to cobweb and didn't notice for a day, but I didn't really want to have it open long enough to take a picture. Or in my house. Two of the cakes might have been okay but I'm not going to risk another chamber for two quarter pint cakes. This looks like a whole bunch of perlite to bake so I think that's going in the yard because a 35L sack is $9 at the garden store.
This mushroom is drunk and is growing another mushroom on it.
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24045734 - 01/28/17 06:22 AM (7 years, 2 days ago) |
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Here's a nice pic of the cluster I harvested earlier. She came n at 72g off of a pint cake. I took a couple of clones from the beast. Keep up the good work! As far as s the cake you thought was contamed, sometimes I get minor discoloration and they end up fine. Mush myc can beat out contams sometimes, and sometimes it isn't caused by contams. I
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Re: A Grow Log, An Idiot Tub, Some Nerd Crap... And A Question [Re: Shameful Idiot]
#24045744 - 01/28/17 06:37 AM (7 years, 2 days ago) |
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Shameful Idiot said: I hope so! Plenty to come probably, 13 strains are involved here... although I gotta say Allen Strain has been a clear fav so far.

Harvested another 9 or 10 grams from Idiot Tub too, which seems to be... producing fruit as normal actually.
13 strains? Do you mean variety or have you isolated 13 separate strains on agar? Nice shroom by the way.
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