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Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study...
    #24005130 - 01/12/17 06:35 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-4114634/Marijuana-DOES-cause-schizophrenia-triggers-heart-attacks-experts-say-landmark-study-slams-drug-s-medical-benefits-unproven.html
Marijuana DOES cause schizophrenia and triggers heart attacks, experts say in landmark study that slams most of the drug's medical benefits as 'unproven'

By Mia De Graaf For Dailymail.com and Associated Press

Published: 14:47 EST, 12 January 2017 | Updated: 19:09 EST, 12 January 2017


Marijuana does raise the risk of getting schizophrenia and triggers heart attacks, according to the most significant study on the drug's effects to date.

A federal advisory panel admitted cannabis can almost certainly ease chronic pain, and might help some people sleep.

But it dismisses most of the drug's other supposedly 'medical benefits' as unproven.

Crucially, the researchers concluded there is not enough research to say whether marijuana effectively treats epilepsy - one of the most widely-recognized reasons for cannabis prescriptions.

The report also casts doubt on using cannabis to treat cancers, irritable bowel syndrome, or certain symptoms of Parkinson's disease, or helping people beat addictions.


A federal advisory panel admitted cannabis can almost certainly ease chronic pain, and might help people sleep. But it dismisses most of the drug's other 'medical benefits' as unproven

The experts called for a national effort to learn more about marijuana and its chemical cousins, including similarly acting compounds called cannabinoids.

In fact, the current lack of scientific information 'poses a public health risk,' said the report, released by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine.

Patients, health care professionals and policy makers need more evidence to make sound decisions, it said.

Several factors have limited research. While the federal government has approved some medicines containing ingredients found in marijuana, it still classifies marijuana as illegal and imposes restrictions on research. So scientists have to jump through bureaucratic hoops that some find daunting, the report said.

A federal focus on paying for studies of potential harms has also impeded research into possible health benefits, the report said. The range of marijuana products available for study has also been restricted, although the government is expanding the number of approved suppliers.

Twenty-eight states and the District of Columbia have legalized marijuana for a variety of medical uses, and eight of those states plus the district have also legalized it for recreational use.

The report lists nearly 100 conclusions about marijuana and its similarly acting chemical cousins, drawing on studies published since 1999.

It found strong evidence, for example, that marijuana can treat chronic pain in adults and that similar compounds ease nausea from chemotherapy, with varying degrees of evidence for treating muscle stiffness and spasms in multiple sclerosis.

Limited evidence says marijuana or the other compounds can boost appetite in people with HIV or AIDS, and ease symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder, the report concluded.

There may be more evidence soon: a study in Colorado is investigating the use of marijuana to treat PTSD.

Turning to potential harms, the committee concluded:

    Strong evidence links marijuana use to the risk of developing schizophrenia and other causes of psychosis, with the highest risk among the most frequent users.
    Some evidence suggests a small increased risk for developing depressive disorders, but there's no evidence either way on whether it affects the course or symptoms of such disorders, or the risk of developing post-traumatic stress disorder.
    There's strong evidence that using marijuana increases the risk of a traffic accident, but no clear indication that it promotes workplace accidents or injuries, or death from a marijuana overdose.
    There's only weak evidence for the idea that it hurts school achievement, raises unemployment rates or harms social functioning.
    For pregnant women who smoke pot, there's strong evidence of reduced birthweight but only weak evidence of any effect on pregnancy complications for the mother, or an infant's need for admission to intensive care. There's not enough evidence to show whether it affects the child later, like sudden infant death syndrome or substance use.
    Some evidence suggests there's no link to lung cancer in marijuana smokers. But there's no evidence, or insufficient evidence, to support or rebut any link to developing cancers of the prostate, cervix, bladder, or esophagus.
    Substantial evidence links pot smoking to worse respiratory symptoms and more frequent episodes of chronic bronchitis.
    There's weak evidence that suggests smoking marijuana can trigger a heart attack, especially for people at high risk of heart disease. But there's no evidence either way on whether chronic use affects a person's risk of a heart attack.
    Some evidence suggests a link between using marijuana and developing a dependence on or abuse of other substances, including alcohol, tobacco and illicit drugs.


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: Ellis Dee] * 5
    #24005154 - 01/12/17 06:43 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

The Daily Mail is the scientific journal that I always turn to for accurate representation of facts. This must be true and unbiased. Now to turn the page and learn if Prince Charles may in fact be a werewolf.


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: fissionchips]
    #24005218 - 01/12/17 07:05 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

Ya this so called propaganda, i mean study seems wacked.

I know smoking good herb daily, i pinch a nice meaty loaf.

Psychosis is not schizophrenia.  Very different organic brain diseases caused or brought about by many things.  Stress can trigger psychosis.


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: Morel Guy]
    #24005468 - 01/12/17 08:22 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

ive had psychosis from psychedelics and weed and stuff and i still smoke weed everyday and use dmt or mushrooms once every few months or so. but it also might be genetic because my mother shows signs of schizo-type behavior like psychosis, hearing voices(jesus freak), and claims to be attacked at night by "evil spirits" and always sleeps with lights on. that might be some sort of sleep paralysis, she is also paranoid about energies and claims negative energies are coming from the tv. she also goes to great lengths to avoid looking at anything she feels is "demonic" which is fucking everything. halloween at my house sucks ass because of her now.
but she otherwise behaves normally and is coherent in most other areas of life so can hold a job.

from what i have read psychosis does not equal schizophrenia because apparently schizophrenia must lead to deterioration of mental capability but i myself am functioning at a much greater level than i did before psychosis. Im much more driven, goal oriented and focused now.


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: SleepyE]
    #24005487 - 01/12/17 08:31 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

bullshit look at all the states with legal weed and tell me more people have schizophrenia


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: SleepyE]
    #24005493 - 01/12/17 08:33 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

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SleepyE said:
from what i have read psychosis does not equal schizophrenia because apparently schizophrenia must lead to deterioration of mental capability but i myself am functioning at a much greater level than i did before psychosis. Im much more driven, goal oriented and focused now.




yeah for maybe two years
most of the damage done from schizophrenia comes from taking their mind altering pharma drugs for however long they ask you
schizophrenia is NOT life long nuero-degenerative like they make you beleive, it's not for example some hollywood movie with CGI and camera tricks


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: Konyap]
    #24005518 - 01/12/17 08:40 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

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Crucially, the researchers concluded there is not enough research to say whether marijuana effectively treats epilepsy - one of the most widely-recognized reasons for cannabis prescriptions.

The report also casts doubt on using cannabis to treat cancers, irritable bowel syndrome, or certain symptoms of Parkinson's disease, or helping people beat addictions.




theses are admittedly the things it treats best because it doesn't cause nasty side effects

this news paper article is horrid, doesn't Montel Williams smoke pot for MS?


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: Konyap]
    #24005523 - 01/12/17 08:41 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

i dont take anti-psychotics. i was never diagnosed. but i heard voices, and thought things on the tv and songs were sending me hidden messages and trying to influence me.
i thought i was jesus/God and thought everyone know who i was but pretended not to so i would just go along with that but i could have easily been paranoid and tried to get answers out of someone who didnt have any for me :lol: i also thought people were secretly talking about me in conversations and like posts on the internet.


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: SleepyE]
    #24005526 - 01/12/17 08:43 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

that's pretty normal for a schizophrenic who beleives in the supernatural


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: Konyap]
    #24005532 - 01/12/17 08:44 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

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that's pretty normal for a schizophrenic who beleives in the supernatural



i like that about them :smile: i like that about me


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #24005572 - 01/12/17 08:59 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

I smoked one joint and all 14 of me had a heart attack.


This is legit.


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: vandago]
    #24005575 - 01/12/17 09:01 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

dont go out like gary johnson


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    #24005699 - 01/12/17 09:48 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

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I smoked one joint and all 14 of me had a heart attack.


This is legit.





i'm glad we weren't the only ones over here.  the devils weeds are a dangerous.


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: krishnalove]
    #24005793 - 01/12/17 10:27 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

The tittle is misleading. This info is pretty unbiased and accurate I feel. People with serious heart problems probably shouldn't smoke weed. Kids shouldn't smoke weed. It's amazing for chronic pain. This study pretty much confirmed what any reasonable knowledable person already knew


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: spaceyvibess]
    #24006066 - 01/13/17 01:29 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

I don't think teens should either
not legally anyway


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: Konyap]
    #24006072 - 01/13/17 01:35 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

It's funny stoners always say "there's no proof weed is harmful" and then an analysis of 10,000 scientific studies comes and says it may not be totally harmless and everyone thinks it's propaganda


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: spaceyvibess]
    #24006077 - 01/13/17 01:37 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

And I agree konyap but really a lot of teens will try it and most won't suffer negative effects. Most won't even like it or repeat it. Better weed than more harmful drugs. Honestly it's probably best to wait until you're 25 to experiment with drugs


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: SleepyE]
    #24006219 - 01/13/17 04:45 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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ive had psychosis from psychedelics and weed and stuff and i still smoke weed everyday and use dmt or mushrooms once every few months or so. but it also might be genetic because my mother shows signs of schizo-type behavior like psychosis, hearing voices(jesus freak), and claims to be attacked at night by "evil spirits" and always sleeps with lights on. that might be some sort of sleep paralysis, she is also paranoid about energies and claims negative energies are coming from the tv. she also goes to great lengths to avoid looking at anything she feels is "demonic" which is fucking everything. halloween at my house sucks ass because of her now.
but she otherwise behaves normally and is coherent in most other areas of life so can hold a job.

from what i have read psychosis does not equal schizophrenia because apparently schizophrenia must lead to deterioration of mental capability but i myself am functioning at a much greater level than i did before psychosis. Im much more driven, goal oriented and focused now.





You are correct... schizophrenia and psychosis* are similar but two different beasts. Marijuana will not cause schizophrenia but it can make psychotic psymptoms arise or worsen, especially if the cannabidol content is low and the thc content high.


The article is very misleading... also, from what i understand, marijuana can be beneficial for people with heart problems as it reduces blood pressure long term, some of the cannabinoids are 5ht1a receptor agonists which dilate the blood vessels. Cortisol production may also positively be affected as well.


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: 404] * 1
    #24006266 - 01/13/17 05:44 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Schizophrenia is a 'psychotic disorder'. But schizophrenia has other symptoms than just psychosis. The 'positive symptoms' of schizophrenia are psychotic features, but schizophrenia also has 'negative symptoms'. (note that those are the terms used, not that they mean there are "good" and "bad" symptoms.)


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: eeso]
    #24006274 - 01/13/17 05:58 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

schizophrenia is a cluster fuck of five different disorders by their standards now

saying something or someone is schizophrenic is like saying they have five different faces


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: Konyap]
    #24006324 - 01/13/17 06:29 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

I'm diagnosed 'schizoaffective' so if we go by schizophrenia being "five" disorders - add another to that regarding me.


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    #24006334 - 01/13/17 06:33 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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saying something or someone is schizophrenic is like saying they have five different faces




Also I must add - a common misconception of many people is they consider schizophrenia to mean "multiple personality disorder" (now known technically as "dissociative identity disorder")

Totally different thing.


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    #24006381 - 01/13/17 07:02 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

So here's the problem I have with this...

"Strong evidence links marijuana use to the risk of developing schizophrenia and other causes of psychosis, with the highest risk among the most frequent users."

Cannabis can't CAUSE schizophrenia if you are predisposed to the disease then yes it CAN be a trigger, but so can everyday situations in life. I may be wrong but if you had a schizophrenic episode triggered by weed, It would have most likely been triggered by something else down the road.

"There's weak evidence that suggests smoking marijuana can trigger a heart attack, especially for people at high risk of heart disease. But there's no evidence either way on whether chronic use affects a person's risk of a heart attack."

Yeah of coarse marijuana Could trigger a heart attack.....so can walking up a flight of stairs, getting the shit scared out of you, baring down while taking a shit, the list goes on. There are cases of seemingly healthy young adults that are extremely fit and athletic just dropping dead from a heart attack. Things happen. eating processed food and sitting at a desk for 8 hours a day increases your chance of a mental disorder or health issues just as much if not more then use of cannabis. Just my opinion.


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    #24006395 - 01/13/17 07:10 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Nobody's mentioned this - but the Daily Mail article doesn't actually cite the scientific journal article they're writing the newspaper article about..


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #24006399 - 01/13/17 07:13 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

I would call BS on the heart attack thing, there are way too many variables they cant account for. However I would say without a doubt it CAN CAUSE schizophrenia.  If I eat enough at once It triggers the schizophrenic exerience. If I was to smoke a large amount everyday and sleep very little I find that I slip into psychosis. It's also curiously never lifted my mood. Not for lack of trying  cause everyone around me grows it.  I have never experienced schizo symptoms outside of being drug triggered.
I'm happy so many people love MJ but for me it's an evil. Keep it legal.


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    #24006402 - 01/13/17 07:14 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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So here's the problem I have with this...

"Strong evidence links marijuana use to the risk of developing schizophrenia and other causes of psychosis, with the highest risk among the most frequent users."

Cannabis can't CAUSE schizophrenia if you are predisposed to the disease then yes it CAN be a trigger, but so can everyday situations in life. I may be wrong but if you had a schizophrenic episode triggered by weed, It would have most likely been triggered by something else down the road.




That's an issue of correlation vs. causation. It's been statistically shown that schizophrenics smoke cannabis more often, and more heavily than non-schizophrenics. But is there a causal link? It's still up in the air.


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    #24006413 - 01/13/17 07:23 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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Schizophrenia is a 'psychotic disorder'. But schizophrenia has other symptoms than just psychosis. The 'positive symptoms' of schizophrenia are psychotic features, but schizophrenia also has 'negative symptoms'. (note that those are the terms used, not that they mean there are "good" and "bad" symptoms.)




We are on the same page :hatsoff:


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    #24006428 - 01/13/17 07:33 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

I often wonder if the famous schizophrenics were actually schizophrenic based on this definition .
Like syd barret, they claimed lsd caused his schizophrenia. I literally had the same thing happen to me yet i recovered and he did not so im technically not schizophrenic. And john nash the nobel prize winner doesnt even qualify for schizophrenia cuz he had a few episodes and then claims to have "snapped out of it" then functioned as a normal human. I doubt these big names were truly schizophrenic


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    #24006495 - 01/13/17 08:09 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Recovered does not mean 'cured'.


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    #24006500 - 01/13/17 08:12 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

from what john nash claimed he was "cured". didnt show any delusional behavior or mental deterioration after the fact


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: SleepyE]
    #24006510 - 01/13/17 08:21 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

http://www.healthyplace.com/blogs/recoveringfrommentalillness/2011/11/can-you-cure-mental-illness/
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Curing mental illness is simply not possible–despite limited controversy. That’s the cold and hard truth. On the flip side, we can become well and experience very little, or no symptoms at all. That is the goal. How can we pursue it?

To Cure Mental Illness, Strive for Recovery

Define Your Diagnosis


Can you cure mental illness? That's often the first question we have when diagnosed. We want the symptoms gone. Symptom-free is possible. But a cure? Read this.I have been diagnosed with bipolar disorder, among other lovely diagnoses such as addiction and disordered eating, anxiety, and alcoholism. Fun stuff. We all define our illnesses separately because they affect our lives in different ways.

In my life, mental illness is a broad term. It means I need to actively work to recover from more than one illness. We all have to treat our illnesses individually. We exhibit different symptoms, take different medications, have different support systems and, above all, we are unique in and of ourselves.

Being diagnosed with a mental illness is not the end of the road but the beginning. You have to get to know the illness, and understand that it is part of you but not all of you. You have to define it in your life. What do I mean by this? Quite simply, work to understand how it affects your life and how you can effectively recover from it.

Accept Recovery vs Cure for Mental Illness

Cure is a lovely word, truly. It means that those who suffer with an illness walk out unscathed. They might have some bad memories, a broken leg hurts, but life goes on. Recovery—now that’s a different word. A different life. But they share elements: to be in recovery is to be well, to be stable, balanced, and with little symptoms. You may feel cured When you do not feel sick, when you are stable, and it’s best not to focus on the time in which you were not. And that is, naturally, easier said than done.

Use Symptom-Free Recovery to Your Advantage


When you live with a chronic mental illness, a period of stability is wonderful. It can span months, years, some people never exhibit symptoms again. But that does not mean you are cured and it’s important to remember this. Often, those with a mental illness, if they have been well for an extended period of time, decide they are no longer sick. Most of the time, having gone off their medications, they lapse into a serious episode.

Remind yourself that stability is fantastic, do not focus on the fear of relapse, and that stability is not a cure but a time in which we can flourish.

You can never guarantee you will not relapse but you can focus on the future. Just because mental illness cannot be cured does not mean that you cannot live symptom-free.




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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: eeso] * 1
    #24006529 - 01/13/17 08:28 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

aha i guess thats fair. based on this i have recovered but not cured myself.
i still have delusional ideas and thoughts which get accelerated by most drugs, but i can recognize and identify these ideas as delusions better and not get fooled by them and start acting upon them which is the mistake i made in the first onset of it.

when its not confusing i actually dont mind the delusional mindset. i enjoy the accelerated imagination/creativity that accompanies it.

i live in deep realms of fantasy and imagination and i guess i can get lost in it easily.


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    #24006541 - 01/13/17 08:35 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Oh look, the news section is still being flooded with anti-weed propaganda. :whatever:


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    #24006548 - 01/13/17 08:39 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

During many of my psychotic episodes I was told by professionals that I had "good insight." As you as well seem to have now.

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Anosognosia, also called "lack of insight," is a symptom of severe mental illness experienced by some that impairs a person’s ability to understand and perceive his or her illness. It is the single largest reason why people with schizophrenia or bipolar disorder refuse medications or do not seek treatment. Without awareness of the illness, refusing treatment appears rational, no matter how clear the need for treatment might be to others.

Approximately 50% of individuals with schizophrenia and 40% with bipolar disorder have symptoms of anosognosia. Long recognized in stroke, Alzheimer’s disease and other neurological conditions, studies of anosognosia in psychiatric disorders is producing a growing body of evidence of anatomical damage in the part of the brain involved with self-reflection. When taking medications, insight improves in some patients.




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Oh look, the news section is still being flooded with anti-weed propaganda. :whatever:



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Good to see you have something productive to add... /sarcasm




The study is bullshit. Ellis Dee has some kind of anti-pot agenda and is using the Shroomery news forum as a platform, it's getting ridiculous.


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During many of my psychotic episodes I was told by professionals that I had "good insight." As you as well seem to have now.

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Anosognosia, also called "lack of insight," is a symptom of severe mental illness experienced by some that impairs a person’s ability to understand and perceive his or her illness. It is the single largest reason why people with schizophrenia or bipolar disorder refuse medications or do not seek treatment. Without awareness of the illness, refusing treatment appears rational, no matter how clear the need for treatment might be to others.

Approximately 50% of individuals with schizophrenia and 40% with bipolar disorder have symptoms of anosognosia. Long recognized in stroke, Alzheimer’s disease and other neurological conditions, studies of anosognosia in psychiatric disorders is producing a growing body of evidence of anatomical damage in the part of the brain involved with self-reflection. When taking medications, insight improves in some patients.






i think it has to do with introspection. when i was 12 i was diagnosed with severe OCD and was put on paxil and had cognitive behavioral therapy and nothing worked. So to gain control of ocd you need to be hyper aware of your mental processes and learn how identify when you are feeding compulsions and to let it pass from your mind instead of dwelling on the idea.

So with all that experience i think i was able to "look within" better and analyze the thought process and then began to reverse entropy.


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    #24006569 - 01/13/17 08:47 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Study being bullshit or not.. (I didn't find it cited in the posted article, so how could you know?) It seems you'd rather the Shroomery news-forum just be an echo-chamber? Or should it provoke productive discussions?


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    #24006596 - 01/13/17 09:05 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

so here is the actual study:

Heart Attacks:



Schizophrenia:



You can read the full study here.  Keep in mind that this study did not test anything, but rather, simply compiled and analyzed previous studies.


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    #24006660 - 01/13/17 09:42 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

if cannabis causes a non-mental deterioration form of the schizophrenic mindset i.e psychosis then is it really such a big deal that it has this effect? I often wonder if maybe its meant to cause psychotic episodes. If im not mistaken creativity is linked to psychoticism
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A study by psychologist J. Philippe Rushton found creativity to correlate with intelligence and psychoticism



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creativity_and_mental_illness

some might benefit from the psychosis inducing nature of cannabis.
I like it because it causes a flight of ideas and cause my brain to make abstract connections. The down side is that delusions accompany this but i can easily filter out that noise now.


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    #24006714 - 01/13/17 10:07 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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so here is the actual study:

Heart Attacks:





Nice, that basically confirms what I was saying. The title of this thread is completely misleading.


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    #24006772 - 01/13/17 10:34 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

The article is misleading. The study itself confirms several medical benefits and also outlines some risks. It's an analysis of TEN THOUSAND studies. Anyone who says it's bullshit is spitting in the face of science and belongs in the YouTube comments of a flat earth video and not here on the wonderful shroomery


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    #24006798 - 01/13/17 10:45 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

It says right in that text that there is little to no correlation between cannabis and heart attacks. And the small connection they did find comes from COMBUSTION and inhalation of smoke, so cannabis is NOT even the real cause.

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    #24006880 - 01/13/17 11:21 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

I said the article is bullshit. The study is not. Marijuana increases heart rate. If you're heart is fucked it doesn't take a genius to figure out you shouldn't smoke it. Ask Asante. If ignoring TEN THOUSAND peer reviewed studies and brushing them of as propaganda is what this place has come to then I'm getting the fuck out.


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    #24006895 - 01/13/17 11:28 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

This article is presented in a biased and misleading way, which is propaganda. It also contains straight up false information.

Keep spreading those spacey vibes.


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I said the article is bullshit but the study is not. It's the most comprehensive view of cannabis we have. Sorry I just get worked up when people deny science. Science denial is a cancer. Cancer is not a spacey vibe man


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    #24007012 - 01/13/17 12:15 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Ran-d, he's saying the article posted (the editorial interpretation of the study) is bullshit. The SCIENCE part - the actual study - is a meta-study. (a systematic review) That's not bullshit.


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    #24007317 - 01/13/17 02:18 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

I would be a model test subject then because I have smoked for years and due to an unexplained medical condition, I have been completely resistant to heart attacks and losing my mind :creepylurker:


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using pot to treat addiction is a joke


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Agreed. I mean if you can successfully replace something like heroin with weed then good for you but if you're not working on whatever issues that lead to you're addiction you will relapse eventually


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: spaceyvibess]
    #24008221 - 01/13/17 08:27 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

the whole thing with syd barret was bullshit
his band mates talked about the horrible effects of LSD seeing him come in one day when they were with roger waters
he had gained weight and had shaved his head and wasn't talking

all of those were side effects of the anti-psychotic drugs he was on that makes you lethargic all day and do nothing but sleep, he even said so and on top of that he was or is still alive today lol people act like LSD killed the guy when he went off to make his own solo albumns

john nash was kind of crazy though, he didn't really talk about voices but he'd be almost OCD like about his ramblings and he would send post cards to people that didn't make any sense because he was a mathematician and he thought language wasn't real

so basically he never talked to anyone or anything even when his game theory was doing crazy shit for the economy, today he's actually named john forbes nash, he's where forbes magazine comes from, but ron flaming dick howard milked his story and made it seem like it was some truly heart wrenching datura trip when the guy was just completely non-social and divorced his first wife

it wasn't mentioned in the documentry but he basically said after decades 'he snapped out of it,' the voices were gone and he started interacting with people again and forming social relationships.. it had nothing to do with drugs and he never really mentioned anything about voices, only people following him and his insane post card ramblings lol

but yeah ron howard is a big peice of shit


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    #24009068 - 01/14/17 07:47 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Heart attack, straight lie.

Schizophrenia, most definitely a "trigger" if you are prone to mental disorder, like any psychedelic, tryptamine, phen, or whatever. Im sure a bunch or RX meds (adderall is a good example) is a much worse trigger for mental illness


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    #24009111 - 01/14/17 08:13 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Hey I'm parniod schizophrenic and fuck sometimes the weed makes it worse if I smoke too much. But usually helps me calm down


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    #24009129 - 01/14/17 08:24 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

I have an anxiety disorder and weed is like a pendulum, can go both ways. If im actually panicking usually its a bad idea to smoke. I dont have schizophrenia or anything like that (i hope lol)


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I can say it has to with a person brain the what goes into ones body.I know people that never seen the drug and are far worse then me..


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using pot to treat addiction is a joke




not really. Cannabidol may very well curb environmentally queued cravings for opiates.



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    #24010039 - 01/14/17 03:14 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Nope in the same way that poppys aren't morphine


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not really. Cannabidol may very well curb environmentally queued cravings for opiates.



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    #24010097 - 01/14/17 03:38 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

not really. I clearly said using X substance, which is the substance referred to in the original article as being "used to treat addiction", to treat addiction is a joke, and he said well Z substance is helpful in treating addiction.

If it's true that CBD is helpful then fine but that has very little if anything to do with using marijuana as a treatment. This is why the FDA exists because most people can't wrap their heads around the fact that a plant might have a medically useful substance even though consumption of the entire plant matter itself isn't considered to be medically useful for a whole host of reasons, the biggest of which of course is significant intoxication/impairment in the case of marijuana.

and i smoke weed all day. unfortunately. but i used to be a pill addict. this is why i say using pot to quit addiction is a joke. any real addict is just going to abuse the hell out of weed and potentially go back to their drug of choice if the weed doesnt satisfy them. im trying to quit, shits a burden


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    #24010124 - 01/14/17 03:48 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

No, cannabis and CBD are not two separate substances. I'm sorry your understanding of the matter doesn't reach past your drug addiction.


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    #24010134 - 01/14/17 03:51 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

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No, cannabis and CBD are not two separate substances. I'm sorry your understanding of the matter doesn't reach past your drug addiction.


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Cannabis (/ˈkænəbɪs/) is a genus of flowering plant that includes three species (and seven taxa)[2] or subspecies,[3] sativa, indica, and ruderalis.


Cannabidiol (INN)[5] (CBD) is one of at least 113 active cannabinoids identified in cannabis.




Saying they are not two separate substances implies you cannot separate CBD from cannabis. But as we all know the CBD can be separated from the cannabis, just as specific kinds of stem cells can be removed from your body, and though they formed a part of you, they performed and can continue to perform specific medical functions when isolated


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    #24010144 - 01/14/17 03:57 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

That doesn't make them separate substances. You can't have one without the other. CBD is cannabis, whether you want to accept it or not.

Also, separating and only using CBD is not as beneficial as using the whole plant. The synergistic effect of the different cannabinoids is proving more and more to be the most beneficial.


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    #24010183 - 01/14/17 04:11 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Uh, yes, you can synthesize all of the cannabinoids in cannabis without growing it.


Do you have any evidence throwing any of the THCs in there has a positive synergistic effect for a drug addict? Because THC-A especially causes major immediate dopamine release which should be an obvious no-go for those who are trying not to be addicts.


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I was speaking generally. I don't study the specific effects of THC and opiate addiction. And unlike certain people, I'm not just going to google something and post the first link without reading it. :lol:


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    #24010278 - 01/14/17 04:46 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Pot causes MS, Homosexuality, Insanity, Cancer, Aids, Colds, the flu, Hemorrhoids and Death but only in England! ROLMFAO Reefer madness at its best! MADE MY DAY thanks daily morons that's a pun.


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I was speaking generally. I don't study the specific effects of THC and opiate addiction. And unlike certain people, I'm not just going to google something and post the first link without reading it. :lol:



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    #24010286 - 01/14/17 04:53 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Are you serious? The only "source" you have is yourself constantly smoking weed (that was probably grown by people who have no regard for your health).

And thanks for confirming that you did in fact just post the first link you found on google.


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Are you serious? The only "source" you have is yourself constantly smoking weed (that was probably grown by people who have no regard for your health).

And thanks for confirming that you did in fact just post the first link you found on google.




Like the booze you bought and threw up was created by loving people who only had your good health in mind. Or that pack of smokes you just bought is made by people who care about the lung cancer you will get. Or that obese making fast food you just bought was made by people who care about your health. Get REAL.

Cannabis is far more healthy then most of the shit you can buy legally, no one has ever died from too much weed name any other drug that you can't OD from.

BTW your argument for not using weed is that there is no quality controls on weed due to prohibition is defeating your ideology for the reason for prohibition to begin with! ROLMFAO


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    #24010346 - 01/14/17 05:25 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Dude... what? I am the one endorsing using cannabis medically. Maybe respond when you actually comprehend what is being said.


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    #24010349 - 01/14/17 05:26 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

And if you're not putting thought into who grows your cannabis you better wake up because you are likely being poisoned.


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: psilly the kid]
    #24010388 - 01/14/17 05:48 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

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Nope in the same way that poppys aren't morphine


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exactly...


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: morrowasted]
    #24011057 - 01/14/17 11:07 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

A pure cannabanoid ( at least the way i see It) is not marijuana. I consider concentrates to be marijuana but when you isolate it to a single cannabinoid it's just that cannabanoid, a marijuana product yes but not marijuana. Also to the poster who claimed that cbd reduces opiate cravings, I would like to see even a shred of evidence that it's true, I don't buy it one bit


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: spaceyvibess]
    #24011161 - 01/15/17 12:37 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)

opiates make people itch and take hard shits
maybe the cannibinoids make them relax a lil :feelsgoodman:

in places where weed is legal less people take opiates


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: morrowasted]
    #24011295 - 01/15/17 05:06 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)

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using pot to treat addiction is a joke




not really. Cannabidol may very well curb environmentally queued cravings for opiates.



cbd isn't pot




:rolleyes: semantics. you can get marijuana with mostly cbd in it with low thc concentrations. anyway, just because they can synthesize it doesn't mean it's the best way to get it. a lot of cbd isolate comes from hemp... which kind of means that in a way, cannabis can be used to treat addictions.

anyway... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4444130/


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #24011333 - 01/15/17 06:14 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)

I'm usually the one on here saying people defend weed too much even though I love to smoke but this one is a little overboard.
The dependence on other substances, you cannot blame on weed. It might make people realize drugs aren't as scary as the tv makes them out to be but, it takes that sort of personality to move onto others. The weed doesn't cause it.

I've also never seen someone schizophrenic after smoking for even their whole lives.
Sure I've gotten paranoid while high as have many others but if it can make people shizo then it has to be such a small amount I think it'd be safe to assume they were likely going to get it anyway.

I do know it's blown out of proportion regarding cancer and epilepsy though.
It might help with pain and in very FEW circumstances even help the battle against cancer but that's far and few in between.
I know multiple people that have obtained cancer even though they've used weed nearly all of their lives.

Epilepsy is the same. Myself and another family member are both epileptic and weed doesn't do shit. Neither does CBD nor any other extract/form.
As matter of fact, it often makes it WORSE. I think it helping epileptics is the exception rather than the rule.

Heart attack - I CAN see that. Every time I smoke no matter what kind it is, my blood pressure always spikes.
At the same time if I lost a little weight, I don't think it'd have as much of an effect so that could be looked at as my fault.

All in all though, people need to leave weed alone.
After all the trippy synthetic weeds that hit the market, we should have learned our lesson.
There's much worse out there and if we don't let this shit go, people will switch to the 'much worse' when it's legal.

Now I wish I had a doob.


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: OfTheVoid46]
    #24011370 - 01/15/17 06:59 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Do you have Dravet Syndrome? That is what cannabidol seems to help treat. It is a specific form of epilepsy afaik



The doctor in this video points out that in a some cases, THC can actually trigger seizures. We are still learning about cannabis and how it affects the body.


You also mentioned smoking which is really harsh on the cardiovascular system in general. There is already data to support this.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26886465

as for blood pressure... thc may lower it. hypertensive rats which were administered THC were found to have had their blood pressure lowered.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1476-5381.1973.tb08236.x/pdf


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: Ellis Dee] * 1
    #24012116 - 01/15/17 12:29 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

I think this is an example of the correlative fallacy, as stress comes before mental and physical illness, and people take the drug to relax.

And, where do you find these flawless subjects, to use as controls. Health problems are so normal for most, you probably learn their diseases, before their last name. It's like talking about the weather.

Since the human condition has been so pitiful, so far, I think, a concerned person would be trying harder to solve universal problems than find flaws.


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: durian_2008]
    #24013953 - 01/16/17 08:03 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Plus when your smoking your still creating and inhaling toxic compounds


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: psilly the kid]
    #24017020 - 01/17/17 10:34 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

So like I said before how you explain people that have never touched the drug and they are in very shape?


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: Themanwiththeplan]
    #24019236 - 01/18/17 07:05 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

Ummm clarify your query sir and/or madam


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: psilly the kid]
    #24025843 - 01/20/17 02:49 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

I know three people that have never touched the drug and they have it worst then me..


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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: Themanwiththeplan]
    #24026168 - 01/20/17 04:32 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

People go into dissociative states, all the time, and probably miss the occasional heartbeat.

What is the threshold dose, at which point, these symptoms become intrusive.


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