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psilly the kid
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: morrowasted]
#24010039 - 01/14/17 03:14 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Nope in the same way that poppys aren't morphine
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Ran-D



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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: morrowasted] 2
#24010052 - 01/14/17 03:19 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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morrowasted said: using pot to treat addiction is a joke
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404 said: not really. Cannabidol may very well curb environmentally queued cravings for opiates.
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morrowasted said: cbd isn't pot
Wow, just wow. This is what happens when logic meets personal bias.
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: Ran-D]
#24010097 - 01/14/17 03:38 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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not really. I clearly said using X substance, which is the substance referred to in the original article as being "used to treat addiction", to treat addiction is a joke, and he said well Z substance is helpful in treating addiction.
If it's true that CBD is helpful then fine but that has very little if anything to do with using marijuana as a treatment. This is why the FDA exists because most people can't wrap their heads around the fact that a plant might have a medically useful substance even though consumption of the entire plant matter itself isn't considered to be medically useful for a whole host of reasons, the biggest of which of course is significant intoxication/impairment in the case of marijuana.
and i smoke weed all day. unfortunately. but i used to be a pill addict. this is why i say using pot to quit addiction is a joke. any real addict is just going to abuse the hell out of weed and potentially go back to their drug of choice if the weed doesnt satisfy them. im trying to quit, shits a burden
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: morrowasted]
#24010124 - 01/14/17 03:48 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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No, cannabis and CBD are not two separate substances. I'm sorry your understanding of the matter doesn't reach past your drug addiction.
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: Ran-D]
#24010134 - 01/14/17 03:51 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Ran-D said: No, cannabis and CBD are not two separate substances. I'm sorry your understanding of the matter doesn't reach past your drug addiction.
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Cannabis (/ˈkænəbɪs/) is a genus of flowering plant that includes three species (and seven taxa)[2] or subspecies,[3] sativa, indica, and ruderalis.
Cannabidiol (INN)[5] (CBD) is one of at least 113 active cannabinoids identified in cannabis.
Saying they are not two separate substances implies you cannot separate CBD from cannabis. But as we all know the CBD can be separated from the cannabis, just as specific kinds of stem cells can be removed from your body, and though they formed a part of you, they performed and can continue to perform specific medical functions when isolated
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: morrowasted]
#24010144 - 01/14/17 03:57 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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That doesn't make them separate substances. You can't have one without the other. CBD is cannabis, whether you want to accept it or not.
Also, separating and only using CBD is not as beneficial as using the whole plant. The synergistic effect of the different cannabinoids is proving more and more to be the most beneficial.
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: Ran-D]
#24010183 - 01/14/17 04:11 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Uh, yes, you can synthesize all of the cannabinoids in cannabis without growing it.
Do you have any evidence throwing any of the THCs in there has a positive synergistic effect for a drug addict? Because THC-A especially causes major immediate dopamine release which should be an obvious no-go for those who are trying not to be addicts.
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: morrowasted]
#24010228 - 01/14/17 04:27 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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I was speaking generally. I don't study the specific effects of THC and opiate addiction. And unlike certain people, I'm not just going to google something and post the first link without reading it.
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: Ran-D]
#24010278 - 01/14/17 04:46 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Pot causes MS, Homosexuality, Insanity, Cancer, Aids, Colds, the flu, Hemorrhoids and Death but only in England! ROLMFAO Reefer madness at its best! MADE MY DAY thanks daily morons that's a pun.
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: Ran-D]
#24010281 - 01/14/17 04:47 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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I was speaking generally. I don't study the specific effects of THC and opiate addiction. And unlike certain people, I'm not just going to google something and post the first link without reading it. 
Wow, just wow. This is what happens when logic meets personal bias.
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: morrowasted]
#24010286 - 01/14/17 04:53 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Are you serious? The only "source" you have is yourself constantly smoking weed (that was probably grown by people who have no regard for your health).
And thanks for confirming that you did in fact just post the first link you found on google.
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: Ran-D]
#24010343 - 01/14/17 05:23 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Ran-D said: Are you serious? The only "source" you have is yourself constantly smoking weed (that was probably grown by people who have no regard for your health).
And thanks for confirming that you did in fact just post the first link you found on google.
Like the booze you bought and threw up was created by loving people who only had your good health in mind. Or that pack of smokes you just bought is made by people who care about the lung cancer you will get. Or that obese making fast food you just bought was made by people who care about your health. Get REAL.
Cannabis is far more healthy then most of the shit you can buy legally, no one has ever died from too much weed name any other drug that you can't OD from.
BTW your argument for not using weed is that there is no quality controls on weed due to prohibition is defeating your ideology for the reason for prohibition to begin with! ROLMFAO
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: rider420]
#24010346 - 01/14/17 05:25 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Dude... what? I am the one endorsing using cannabis medically. Maybe respond when you actually comprehend what is being said.
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: Ran-D]
#24010349 - 01/14/17 05:26 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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And if you're not putting thought into who grows your cannabis you better wake up because you are likely being poisoned.
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: psilly the kid]
#24010388 - 01/14/17 05:48 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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psilly the kid said: Nope in the same way that poppys aren't morphine

exactly...
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: morrowasted]
#24011057 - 01/14/17 11:07 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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A pure cannabanoid ( at least the way i see It) is not marijuana. I consider concentrates to be marijuana but when you isolate it to a single cannabinoid it's just that cannabanoid, a marijuana product yes but not marijuana. Also to the poster who claimed that cbd reduces opiate cravings, I would like to see even a shred of evidence that it's true, I don't buy it one bit
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: spaceyvibess]
#24011161 - 01/15/17 12:37 AM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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opiates make people itch and take hard shits maybe the cannibinoids make them relax a lil 
in places where weed is legal less people take opiates
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404
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: morrowasted]
#24011295 - 01/15/17 05:06 AM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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morrowasted said:
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404 said:
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morrowasted said: using pot to treat addiction is a joke
not really. Cannabidol may very well curb environmentally queued cravings for opiates.
cbd isn't pot
semantics. you can get marijuana with mostly cbd in it with low thc concentrations. anyway, just because they can synthesize it doesn't mean it's the best way to get it. a lot of cbd isolate comes from hemp... which kind of means that in a way, cannabis can be used to treat addictions.
anyway... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4444130/
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: Ellis Dee]
#24011333 - 01/15/17 06:14 AM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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I'm usually the one on here saying people defend weed too much even though I love to smoke but this one is a little overboard. The dependence on other substances, you cannot blame on weed. It might make people realize drugs aren't as scary as the tv makes them out to be but, it takes that sort of personality to move onto others. The weed doesn't cause it.
I've also never seen someone schizophrenic after smoking for even their whole lives. Sure I've gotten paranoid while high as have many others but if it can make people shizo then it has to be such a small amount I think it'd be safe to assume they were likely going to get it anyway.
I do know it's blown out of proportion regarding cancer and epilepsy though. It might help with pain and in very FEW circumstances even help the battle against cancer but that's far and few in between. I know multiple people that have obtained cancer even though they've used weed nearly all of their lives.
Epilepsy is the same. Myself and another family member are both epileptic and weed doesn't do shit. Neither does CBD nor any other extract/form. As matter of fact, it often makes it WORSE. I think it helping epileptics is the exception rather than the rule.
Heart attack - I CAN see that. Every time I smoke no matter what kind it is, my blood pressure always spikes. At the same time if I lost a little weight, I don't think it'd have as much of an effect so that could be looked at as my fault.
All in all though, people need to leave weed alone. After all the trippy synthetic weeds that hit the market, we should have learned our lesson. There's much worse out there and if we don't let this shit go, people will switch to the 'much worse' when it's legal.
Now I wish I had a doob.
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: OfTheVoid46]
#24011370 - 01/15/17 06:59 AM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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Do you have Dravet Syndrome? That is what cannabidol seems to help treat. It is a specific form of epilepsy afaik
The doctor in this video points out that in a some cases, THC can actually trigger seizures. We are still learning about cannabis and how it affects the body.
You also mentioned smoking which is really harsh on the cardiovascular system in general. There is already data to support this.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26886465
as for blood pressure... thc may lower it. hypertensive rats which were administered THC were found to have had their blood pressure lowered. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1476-5381.1973.tb08236.x/pdf
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