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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: Konyap]
#24006324 - 01/13/17 06:29 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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I'm diagnosed 'schizoaffective' so if we go by schizophrenia being "five" disorders - add another to that regarding me.
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: eeso] 1
#24006334 - 01/13/17 06:33 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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saying something or someone is schizophrenic is like saying they have five different faces
Also I must add - a common misconception of many people is they consider schizophrenia to mean "multiple personality disorder" (now known technically as "dissociative identity disorder")
Totally different thing.
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: eeso]
#24006381 - 01/13/17 07:02 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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So here's the problem I have with this...
"Strong evidence links marijuana use to the risk of developing schizophrenia and other causes of psychosis, with the highest risk among the most frequent users."
Cannabis can't CAUSE schizophrenia if you are predisposed to the disease then yes it CAN be a trigger, but so can everyday situations in life. I may be wrong but if you had a schizophrenic episode triggered by weed, It would have most likely been triggered by something else down the road.
"There's weak evidence that suggests smoking marijuana can trigger a heart attack, especially for people at high risk of heart disease. But there's no evidence either way on whether chronic use affects a person's risk of a heart attack."
Yeah of coarse marijuana Could trigger a heart attack.....so can walking up a flight of stairs, getting the shit scared out of you, baring down while taking a shit, the list goes on. There are cases of seemingly healthy young adults that are extremely fit and athletic just dropping dead from a heart attack. Things happen. eating processed food and sitting at a desk for 8 hours a day increases your chance of a mental disorder or health issues just as much if not more then use of cannabis. Just my opinion.
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: SpaceDawg] 1
#24006395 - 01/13/17 07:10 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Nobody's mentioned this - but the Daily Mail article doesn't actually cite the scientific journal article they're writing the newspaper article about..
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: Ellis Dee]
#24006399 - 01/13/17 07:13 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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I would call BS on the heart attack thing, there are way too many variables they cant account for. However I would say without a doubt it CAN CAUSE schizophrenia. If I eat enough at once It triggers the schizophrenic exerience. If I was to smoke a large amount everyday and sleep very little I find that I slip into psychosis. It's also curiously never lifted my mood. Not for lack of trying cause everyone around me grows it. I have never experienced schizo symptoms outside of being drug triggered. I'm happy so many people love MJ but for me it's an evil. Keep it legal.
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: SpaceDawg] 1
#24006402 - 01/13/17 07:14 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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SpaceDawg said: So here's the problem I have with this...
"Strong evidence links marijuana use to the risk of developing schizophrenia and other causes of psychosis, with the highest risk among the most frequent users."
Cannabis can't CAUSE schizophrenia if you are predisposed to the disease then yes it CAN be a trigger, but so can everyday situations in life. I may be wrong but if you had a schizophrenic episode triggered by weed, It would have most likely been triggered by something else down the road.
That's an issue of correlation vs. causation. It's been statistically shown that schizophrenics smoke cannabis more often, and more heavily than non-schizophrenics. But is there a causal link? It's still up in the air.
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: eeso] 1
#24006413 - 01/13/17 07:23 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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eeso said: Schizophrenia is a 'psychotic disorder'. But schizophrenia has other symptoms than just psychosis. The 'positive symptoms' of schizophrenia are psychotic features, but schizophrenia also has 'negative symptoms'. (note that those are the terms used, not that they mean there are "good" and "bad" symptoms.)
We are on the same page
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: 404]
#24006428 - 01/13/17 07:33 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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I often wonder if the famous schizophrenics were actually schizophrenic based on this definition . Like syd barret, they claimed lsd caused his schizophrenia. I literally had the same thing happen to me yet i recovered and he did not so im technically not schizophrenic. And john nash the nobel prize winner doesnt even qualify for schizophrenia cuz he had a few episodes and then claims to have "snapped out of it" then functioned as a normal human. I doubt these big names were truly schizophrenic
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: SleepyE]
#24006495 - 01/13/17 08:09 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Recovered does not mean 'cured'.
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: eeso]
#24006500 - 01/13/17 08:12 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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from what john nash claimed he was "cured". didnt show any delusional behavior or mental deterioration after the fact
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: SleepyE]
#24006510 - 01/13/17 08:21 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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http://www.healthyplace.com/blogs/recoveringfrommentalillness/2011/11/can-you-cure-mental-illness/
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Curing mental illness is simply not possible–despite limited controversy. That’s the cold and hard truth. On the flip side, we can become well and experience very little, or no symptoms at all. That is the goal. How can we pursue it?
To Cure Mental Illness, Strive for Recovery Define Your Diagnosis
Can you cure mental illness? That's often the first question we have when diagnosed. We want the symptoms gone. Symptom-free is possible. But a cure? Read this.I have been diagnosed with bipolar disorder, among other lovely diagnoses such as addiction and disordered eating, anxiety, and alcoholism. Fun stuff. We all define our illnesses separately because they affect our lives in different ways.
In my life, mental illness is a broad term. It means I need to actively work to recover from more than one illness. We all have to treat our illnesses individually. We exhibit different symptoms, take different medications, have different support systems and, above all, we are unique in and of ourselves.
Being diagnosed with a mental illness is not the end of the road but the beginning. You have to get to know the illness, and understand that it is part of you but not all of you. You have to define it in your life. What do I mean by this? Quite simply, work to understand how it affects your life and how you can effectively recover from it.
Accept Recovery vs Cure for Mental Illness
Cure is a lovely word, truly. It means that those who suffer with an illness walk out unscathed. They might have some bad memories, a broken leg hurts, but life goes on. Recovery—now that’s a different word. A different life. But they share elements: to be in recovery is to be well, to be stable, balanced, and with little symptoms. You may feel cured When you do not feel sick, when you are stable, and it’s best not to focus on the time in which you were not. And that is, naturally, easier said than done.
Use Symptom-Free Recovery to Your Advantage
When you live with a chronic mental illness, a period of stability is wonderful. It can span months, years, some people never exhibit symptoms again. But that does not mean you are cured and it’s important to remember this. Often, those with a mental illness, if they have been well for an extended period of time, decide they are no longer sick. Most of the time, having gone off their medications, they lapse into a serious episode.
Remind yourself that stability is fantastic, do not focus on the fear of relapse, and that stability is not a cure but a time in which we can flourish.
You can never guarantee you will not relapse but you can focus on the future. Just because mental illness cannot be cured does not mean that you cannot live symptom-free.
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: eeso] 1
#24006529 - 01/13/17 08:28 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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aha i guess thats fair. based on this i have recovered but not cured myself. i still have delusional ideas and thoughts which get accelerated by most drugs, but i can recognize and identify these ideas as delusions better and not get fooled by them and start acting upon them which is the mistake i made in the first onset of it.
when its not confusing i actually dont mind the delusional mindset. i enjoy the accelerated imagination/creativity that accompanies it.
i live in deep realms of fantasy and imagination and i guess i can get lost in it easily.
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: Ellis Dee] 1
#24006541 - 01/13/17 08:35 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Oh look, the news section is still being flooded with anti-weed propaganda.
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: SleepyE] 1
#24006548 - 01/13/17 08:39 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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During many of my psychotic episodes I was told by professionals that I had "good insight." As you as well seem to have now.
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Anosognosia, also called "lack of insight," is a symptom of severe mental illness experienced by some that impairs a person’s ability to understand and perceive his or her illness. It is the single largest reason why people with schizophrenia or bipolar disorder refuse medications or do not seek treatment. Without awareness of the illness, refusing treatment appears rational, no matter how clear the need for treatment might be to others.
Approximately 50% of individuals with schizophrenia and 40% with bipolar disorder have symptoms of anosognosia. Long recognized in stroke, Alzheimer’s disease and other neurological conditions, studies of anosognosia in psychiatric disorders is producing a growing body of evidence of anatomical damage in the part of the brain involved with self-reflection. When taking medications, insight improves in some patients.
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: Ran-D]
#24006553 - 01/13/17 08:40 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Ran-D said: Oh look, the news section is still being flooded with anti-weed propaganda. 
Good to see you have something productive to add... /sarcasm
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: eeso]
#24006562 - 01/13/17 08:44 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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eeso said: Good to see you have something productive to add... /sarcasm
The study is bullshit. Ellis Dee has some kind of anti-pot agenda and is using the Shroomery news forum as a platform, it's getting ridiculous.
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: eeso]
#24006566 - 01/13/17 08:46 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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eeso said: During many of my psychotic episodes I was told by professionals that I had "good insight." As you as well seem to have now.
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Anosognosia, also called "lack of insight," is a symptom of severe mental illness experienced by some that impairs a person’s ability to understand and perceive his or her illness. It is the single largest reason why people with schizophrenia or bipolar disorder refuse medications or do not seek treatment. Without awareness of the illness, refusing treatment appears rational, no matter how clear the need for treatment might be to others.
Approximately 50% of individuals with schizophrenia and 40% with bipolar disorder have symptoms of anosognosia. Long recognized in stroke, Alzheimer’s disease and other neurological conditions, studies of anosognosia in psychiatric disorders is producing a growing body of evidence of anatomical damage in the part of the brain involved with self-reflection. When taking medications, insight improves in some patients.
i think it has to do with introspection. when i was 12 i was diagnosed with severe OCD and was put on paxil and had cognitive behavioral therapy and nothing worked. So to gain control of ocd you need to be hyper aware of your mental processes and learn how identify when you are feeding compulsions and to let it pass from your mind instead of dwelling on the idea.
So with all that experience i think i was able to "look within" better and analyze the thought process and then began to reverse entropy.
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: Ran-D] 1
#24006569 - 01/13/17 08:47 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Study being bullshit or not.. (I didn't find it cited in the posted article, so how could you know?) It seems you'd rather the Shroomery news-forum just be an echo-chamber? Or should it provoke productive discussions?
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: Ellis Dee] 3
#24006596 - 01/13/17 09:05 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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so here is the actual study:
Heart Attacks:

Schizophrenia:

You can read the full study here. Keep in mind that this study did not test anything, but rather, simply compiled and analyzed previous studies.
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Re: Pot triggers schizophrenia, heart attacks, experts say in landmark study... [Re: ballsalsa]
#24006660 - 01/13/17 09:42 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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if cannabis causes a non-mental deterioration form of the schizophrenic mindset i.e psychosis then is it really such a big deal that it has this effect? I often wonder if maybe its meant to cause psychotic episodes. If im not mistaken creativity is linked to psychoticism
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A study by psychologist J. Philippe Rushton found creativity to correlate with intelligence and psychoticism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creativity_and_mental_illness
some might benefit from the psychosis inducing nature of cannabis. I like it because it causes a flight of ideas and cause my brain to make abstract connections. The down side is that delusions accompany this but i can easily filter out that noise now.
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