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Re: US Government Creates Ministry of Propoganda [Re: Webster10]
    #24005224 - 01/12/17 07:06 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

That's a trick to get me banned like the last time you ratted me out.


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Re: US Government Creates Ministry of Propoganda [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24005400 - 01/12/17 08:02 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

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I hope one day you learn the difference between "establishment" and "liberal".  They are literally opposites.



You can't deny that most reporters are just liberal elite SJW's who are reporting dishonestly solely because they're butthurt about the election.



Yes, I can.  The establishment media supported both conservative establishment candidates and liberal establishment candidates.  When Trump won on the conservative side, the only establishment candidate left was Hillary, so they gravitated towards her.

If they were truly liberal, they'd have given Bernie a LOT more support.



Well, that really doesn't hold up. And you avoided the point I made. I made the point that the media is clearly liberal-leaning, because the reporters, in their personal views, are butthurt SJW's who can't accept the facts of the election and are living in a collective bubble of smug denial. See Koods types of people. Yes they are indeed liberal in their views, but they overwhelmingly supported the establishment candidate that the DNC essentially tried to force them to vote for. You "real" liberals on this board who refused to vote for Hillary and wrote in Bernie or something are an extremely small minority. I mean, some liberal Hillary supporting liberals fucking cried on television, have had complete and utter meltdowns on social media, and most have made fools of themselves in their coverage.

As for the coverage, your assertion that they supported establishment republicans is utterly false. Sure, they propped some establishment candidates up like Marco, Kasich and Jeb to a very small degree, only enough to push them over less conventional republicans like Rand, but not enough to push them over the truly outsider candidates like Trump and to some degree Cruz who they saw as ineligible in a general election. The real facts of the story, the emails, clearly show that most media colluded to prop Trump UP in the primaries, so Hillary would have an easy win in the general. (Didn't work country too woke)

The liberal-leaning establishment media is exactly what it sounds like whether you decide to accept it or not.

**EDITING to say that above all, the reporters are elitist. They're going to report in support of the establishment candidate who will maintain their prestige and the status quo. However, they're also liberal. Not truly liberal. The type of liberal who only conforms to liberal doctrine to acheive some sort of perceived inherent moral superiority but doesn't actually care about the real issues liberalism tries to deal with. Which is a majority of my generations liberals. It's a facade. They're truly scum. And that's why they're reporting so negatively, because a trump victory is a clear "FUCK YOU" to that kind of culture that the media tries to enforce upon us.


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Re: US Government Creates Ministry of Propoganda [Re: Webster10] * 1
    #24005450 - 01/12/17 08:15 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

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I hope one day you learn the difference between "establishment" and "liberal".  They are literally opposites.



You can't deny that most reporters are just liberal elite SJW's who are reporting dishonestly solely because they're butthurt about the election.



Yes, I can.  The establishment media supported both conservative establishment candidates and liberal establishment candidates.  When Trump won on the conservative side, the only establishment candidate left was Hillary, so they gravitated towards her.

If they were truly liberal, they'd have given Bernie a LOT more support.



Well, that really doesn't hold up. And you avoided the point I made. I made the point that the media is clearly liberal-leaning, because the reporters, in their personal views, are butthurt SJW's who can't accept the facts of the election and are living in a collective bubble of smug denial...  they overwhelmingly supported the establishment candidate that the DNC essentially tried to force them to vote for.



I already told you, if they were true SJS's, they would have supported Bernie, but they didn't so they are not.

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You "real" liberals on this board who refused to vote for Hillary and wrote in Bernie or something are an extremely small minority. I mean, some liberal Hillary supporting liberals fucking cried on television, have had complete and utter meltdowns on social media, and most have made fools of themselves in their coverage.



How does that prove the media is liberal?

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The liberal-leaning establishment media is exactly what it sounds like whether you decide to accept it or not.



There aren't any liberals here that would agree with you.  Sure, you might know some liberals who think the media is liberal because they supported Hillary, but it's not because the media is liberal, it's because Hillary is establishment.


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Re: US Government Creates Ministry of Propoganda [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24005578 - 01/12/17 09:03 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

What conservative would cry at their candidate not getting elected? Only a liberal would be that much of a baby.


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Re: US Government Creates Ministry of Propoganda [Re: Webster10] * 1
    #24005694 - 01/12/17 09:45 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

:facepalm:

Ever hear of Obama in 2008?


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Re: US Government Creates Ministry of Propoganda [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #24005711 - 01/12/17 09:53 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

that was back when dinosaurs roamed as far as webster is concerned


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Re: US Government Creates Ministry of Propoganda [Re: Webster10]
    #24005889 - 01/12/17 11:15 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

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What conservative would cry at their candidate not getting elected? Only a liberal would be that much of a baby.



:facepalm:

Ever hear of Obama in 2008?



that was back when dinosaurs roamed as far as webster is concerned



Exactly.  Besides, what does people crying about their candidate losing have to do with whether or not the media is liberal, conservative, or establishment?


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Re: US Government Creates Ministry of Propoganda [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #24006301 - 01/13/17 06:11 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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What conservative would cry at their candidate not getting elected? Only a liberal would be that much of a baby.



:facepalm:

Ever hear of Obama in 2008?



that was back when dinosaurs roamed as far as webster is concerned



Exactly.  Besides, what does people crying about their candidate losing have to do with whether or not the media is liberal, conservative, or establishment?



Well I meant the reporters. I'm sorry but no serious conservative reporter would cry on air or melt down in the way that the liberal members of the establishment press have. There's an element to liberalism that goes hand and hand with being a pussy, to be frank. Did any of you see CNN on NYE with Don Lemon? I'm sorry but no conversative reporter is that unprofessional and quite frankly that much of a little bitch. Unprofessionalism, letting personal feelings dictate debate, personal butthurt about the election controlling your coverage are all characteristics of liberals.

Fal, YOU might describe the liberal-leaning establishment reporters as not true liberals, but I'm 100% that a vast majority of them would self-identify as liberals. Your idea of what a "true liberal" is applies to a very very small percent of self-proclaimed liberals. A vast majority of them don't give a shit about liberal principles and wanted the candidate in office who would maintain their prestige and reinforce their perceived inherent moral superiority for being a liberal and not a conservative. Admit it. Ask Koods if he's a liberal. Now ask him why he voted for Hillary. I guarantee you he's going to say "yes" and "because she's not trump." Now go ask the other tens of millions of self proclaimed liberals who voted for her why they did and you're going to get the same answer almost every time.


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Re: US Government Creates Ministry of Propoganda [Re: ballsalsa]
    #24006306 - 01/13/17 06:19 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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that was back when dinosaurs roamed as far as webster is concerned





Those times really are a thing of the past. I don't know if you guys have realized this yet, but a vote for trump wasn't just a vote against clintons politics. It was a vote against the entire blue culture behind her. And trump wasn't pitching old Christianity based conservatism from the 60's. Trump offered a completely new red culture, not associated with the old Christian Right. And he didn't win by agreeing to play by the rules traditional politics had laid out for him. His voters knew he was going to fundamentally change the way the government works and wasn't going to be tame about it. That's what America wanted, and that's why blue liberal elitists are so scared


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Re: US Government Creates Ministry of Propoganda [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #24006371 - 01/13/17 06:59 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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Ever hear of Obama in 2008?




He was 11.


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Re: US Government Creates Ministry of Propoganda [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #24006531 - 01/13/17 08:30 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

when i was 11 the mainstream media was a "vast right-wing conspiracy".


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Re: US Government Creates Ministry of Propoganda [Re: ballsalsa]
    #24006558 - 01/13/17 08:43 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

God, i think Bush Sr was President when i was 11.


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Re: US Government Creates Ministry of Propoganda [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #24006568 - 01/13/17 08:47 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

>can't refute my argument
>attacks age instead
>Thinks that constitutes a valid response

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Re: US Government Creates Ministry of Propoganda [Re: Webster10] * 1
    #24006602 - 01/13/17 09:08 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

care to address the fact the in years of Democrat leadership the media is "right-wing" while in years of Republican leadership the media is "liberal, left-leaning"?


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Re: US Government Creates Ministry of Propoganda [Re: ballsalsa]
    #24006663 - 01/13/17 09:46 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

I've been avidly reading the news since 2013 and the major liberal-leaning establishment media was liberal then, during a democrat presidency. They just got violently partisan around the election and people noticed.


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Re: US Government Creates Ministry of Propoganda [Re: Webster10]
    #24006684 - 01/13/17 09:54 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

that is an extremely narrow and limited window of time.  get a broader perspective of history, and it will be easier to see the broader trends.


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Re: US Government Creates Ministry of Propoganda [Re: Webster10] * 1
    #24006824 - 01/13/17 10:54 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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>can't refute my argument
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:facepalm:




Its not an attack. Its an explanation as to why you dont remember the immediate right wing backlash after Obama's election:

Because they werent showing tea party rallies and burning effigies on the disney channel.


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Re: US Government Creates Ministry of Propoganda [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #24006839 - 01/13/17 11:01 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Looks like some trolls on here just got new salaries and contracts! Let's hear it for the shills.... err I mean retired hobbyist with 50,000 posts and spend 8 hours a day responding to choice topics....


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Re: US Government Creates Ministry of Propoganda [Re: Webster10] * 2
    #24006843 - 01/13/17 11:02 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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I've been avidly reading the news since 2013 and the major liberal-leaning establishment media was liberal then, during a democrat presidency. They just got violently partisan around the election and people noticed.




Well, you were still a little tyke when that liberal leaning media establishment was cheerleading the Bush administration, and leading the US into two failure wars we are still currently embroiled in.


When are people gonna get that the media isnt LIBERAL? Its corporatist. Sure, they side with Dems because thats where the demo sweet spot is for those ad dollars. Fox does the same, but they target older consumers. Yeah, CNN and the major networks dont bash gays or muslims, that doesnt mean theyre liberal.

CNN intentionally sabotaged Bernie (an actual liberal) in order to get their corporatist candidate the nomination. What is liberal about this? They are a CORPORATION.

Does CNN want stricter regulations on itself?
Does CNN want to raise its own taxes?
Does CNN want to criticize the banks, big oil, or pharma and lose ad dollars?
Does CNN vigorously oppose wars and lose out on guest speakers from the pentagon, dod, white house, etc?

No, no, no, and no.


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Re: US Government Creates Ministry of Propoganda [Re: Webster10]
    #24006902 - 01/13/17 11:32 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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Well I meant the reporters. I'm sorry but no serious conservative reporter would cry on air or melt down in the way that the liberal members of the establishment press have. There's an element to liberalism that goes hand and hand with being a pussy, to be frank. Did any of you see CNN on NYE with Don Lemon? I'm sorry but no conversative reporter is that unprofessional and quite frankly that much of a little bitch. Unprofessionalism, letting personal feelings dictate debate, personal butthurt about the election controlling your coverage are all characteristics of liberals.



Now you're just showing off your ignorance.  I've watched Glenn Beck cry so many times I'm embarrassed for him.

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Fal, YOU might describe the liberal-leaning establishment reporters as not true liberals, but I'm 100% that a vast majority of them would self-identify as liberals. Your idea of what a "true liberal" is applies to a very very small percent of self-proclaimed liberals. A vast majority of them don't give a shit about liberal principles and wanted the candidate in office who would maintain their prestige and reinforce their perceived inherent moral superiority for being a liberal and not a conservative.



You're right - a lot of liberals would take Hillary over Trump just because she's a Democrat.  But that doesn't make CNN liberal.

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Admit it. Ask Koods if he's a liberal. Now ask him why he voted for Hillary. I guarantee you he's going to say "yes" and "because she's not trump."



Who's Koods?  :shrug:


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