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Invisiblemillzy
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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #24006250 - 01/13/17 05:20 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

invented: i'm on the 'fictionalist'/'anti-realist' side of the mathematical realism debate for now. our mathematical models are predictive rather than descriptive.


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InvisibleBill_Oreilly
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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #24006285 - 01/13/17 06:02 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

LogicaL Chaos said:
A rock contains some trillion molecules, weighs a specific amount of weight caused by the constant force of gravity, measured by complex geometry.





Thats just observation created by the viewer, though. You invented that based on rules scientists invented


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Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: Patlal]
    #24006340 - 01/13/17 06:35 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

The laws of physics, which are essentially laws of mathematics, were discovered not invented.

imo


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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: Apostle] * 1
    #24006375 - 01/13/17 06:59 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

I think a lot of folks are getting hung up on applied mathematics. Describing the universe with mathematical models is always an approximation (sometimes very good). Theoretical math, however, is by definition true. The relationships and patterns among numbers have always existed, and our equations have simply discovered things.

Mathematics as the formal language is most definitely invented. Yet it is used to make discoveries.

Dumb example: the hypotenuse of a right triangle squared will always equal sqrt(a^2+b^2). That relationship has always existed for that shape.


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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: Apostle]
    #24006441 - 01/13/17 07:39 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

Apostle said:
The laws of physics, which are essentially laws of mathematics, were discovered not invented.

imo



the laws of physics are immutable. the descriptions (the language- symbolic and otherwise) of said laws are not. math is a language. the universe does not speak. it's only a nice metaphor.


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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24007104 - 01/13/17 12:50 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

I have to say maybe depends on the definition of math you use


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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: millzy]
    #24007498 - 01/13/17 03:13 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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millzy said:
invented: i'm on the 'fictionalist'/'anti-realist' side of the mathematical realism debate for now. our mathematical models are predictive rather than descriptive.




They are both.  What happens when you model a phenomenon after the fact?  Then its descriptive.  The only difference between being predictive vs descriptive is when you develop the model.  You can throw a ball, then I can model it after the fact to describe its motion.  Or, I can model the motion and predict how it will move.


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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: DieCommie]
    #27413420 - 08/03/21 07:03 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

I want to revive this.


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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #27413459 - 08/03/21 07:34 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

:elmo:

Is math a construct.
Or was it always there to find.
Strangely enough the answer is love
The one thing it cant define.

This transcendental geometry.
That words cannot possibly convey.
Deeper than fundamentally
It's both the observer...and the day.

An exploration of an unassailable self.
The fingers with which we feel.
A mathematical pinch is just.
Proving ourselves to be real.

It hurts because we are the same.
Both the math and the mind.
Take the mask of separateness away.
You may be surprised by which answer you find.


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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: pineninja]
    #27413464 - 08/03/21 07:36 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

:tellmeastory:


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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #27413468 - 08/03/21 07:41 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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LogicaL Chaos said:
If u believe in God, math is discovered.

If u dont believe in God, math is invented.

Yer welcome.
:awethumb:




I believe God invented math


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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: gopher]
    #27413480 - 08/03/21 07:49 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

But den who invented gawd

:geicogecko:


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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #27413483 - 08/03/21 07:51 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

God didnt need to be invented, he was discovered


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Since Disney has obtained tremendous value from the public domain, knows how important the public domain is, and is firmly determined to never contribute anything to it.

My pronouns are He and Him, and my adjectives are Fat and Jazzy

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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: gopher] * 1
    #27413487 - 08/03/21 07:55 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Explain like I’m five and high.


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Invisiblepineninja
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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #27413513 - 08/03/21 08:12 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

:rolleyes: great t-shirt.


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