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OfflinePatlal
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Is mathematics invented or discovered? * 2
    #24001882 - 01/11/17 05:58 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Me again. just dropping by with my new problem I have. Is math invented or discovered? I'm pretty much 50/50 and I can't pick a winner...

Invent
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verb (used with object)

1.
to originate or create as a product of one's own ingenuity, experimentation, or contrivance:
to invent the telegraph.

2.
to produce or create with the imagination:
to invent a story.

3.
to make up or fabricate (something fictitious or false):
to invent excuses.





Discover

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1.
to see, get knowledge of, learn of, find, or find out; gain sight or knowledge of (something previously unseen or unknown):
to discover America; to discover electricity.
Synonyms: detect, espy, descry, discern, ascertain, unearth, ferret out, notice.

2.
to notice or realize:
I discovered I didn't have my credit card with me when I went to pay my bill.

3.
Archaic. to make known; reveal; disclose.




So which is it?

These 6 definition all describe mathematics...

We make them up, but is was also one more thing to discover.

Discuss
Is Mathematics invented or discovered?
You may choose only one


Votes accepted from (01/11/17 03:58 PM) to (No end specified)
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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: Patlal] * 6
    #24001903 - 01/11/17 06:05 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Discovered, the same with language in general, math is an extension of language, which is a further development of all forms of communication down to the basic atomic impulses. Math is a continuation of thought and raw consciousness itself.


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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #24001935 - 01/11/17 06:13 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Quote:

Repertoire89 said:
Discovered, the same with language in general, math is an extension of language, which is a further development of all forms of communication down to the basic atomic impulses. Math is a continuation of thought and raw consciousness itself.



Couldn't have said it better


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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #24001985 - 01/11/17 06:27 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Discovered, I've always noticed math hidden in mother nature in plain sight.


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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #24001995 - 01/11/17 06:30 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Math exists everywhere in the universe. The names, symbols, words etc we use to describe it may be created by us, but the principles they're based on are constant regardless of language or beings intelligent enough to name it.


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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: T-Funkadelic]
    #24001996 - 01/11/17 06:30 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Yeah, but meaning is also invented upon discovery, something like that. It's both discovered and invented at the same time


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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: trees]
    #24002087 - 01/11/17 06:50 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Its the same as science.. you wouldn't say someone invented science but discovered it. Math is a discovery


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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: Patlal]
    #24002112 - 01/11/17 06:59 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Quote:

Patlal said:
Me again. just dropping by with my new problem I have. Is math invented or discovered? I'm pretty much 50/50 and I can't pick a winner...

Invent
Quote:

verb (used with object)

1.
to originate or create as a product of one's own ingenuity, experimentation, or contrivance:
to invent the telegraph.

2.
to produce or create with the imagination:
to invent a story.

3.
to make up or fabricate (something fictitious or false):
to invent excuses.





Discover

Quote:


1.
to see, get knowledge of, learn of, find, or find out; gain sight or knowledge of (something previously unseen or unknown):
to discover America; to discover electricity.
Synonyms: detect, espy, descry, discern, ascertain, unearth, ferret out, notice.

2.
to notice or realize:
I discovered I didn't have my credit card with me when I went to pay my bill.

3.
Archaic. to make known; reveal; disclose.




So which is it?

These 6 definition all describe mathematics...

We make them up, but is was also one more thing to discover.

Discuss






Invented


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #24002137 - 01/11/17 07:12 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Math is universal and predates organic life; it was discovered, saying it was invented is akin to saying we invented fire.


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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: SARAtonin] * 5
    #24002141 - 01/11/17 07:14 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

It's invented, math is an inherently imperfect model created by humans to describe physical circumstances :shrug:


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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: Caine] * 1
    #24002158 - 01/11/17 07:23 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Yeah the abstractions are invented, and any correspondence to the physical world is discovered.


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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #24002176 - 01/11/17 07:30 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

If u believe in God, math is discovered.

If u dont believe in God, math is invented.

Yer welcome.
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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: Caine]
    #24002187 - 01/11/17 07:34 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Distance from one place to another wasn't invented. Calculating distance and time in increments was always there, we just figured it out. I don't believe in god either.


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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: T-Funkadelic]
    #24002195 - 01/11/17 07:37 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

The concept of distance and time was invented though


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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: T-Funkadelic]
    #24002196 - 01/11/17 07:37 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

But distances between things are a constant thing that don't need math to exist. That is just the physical circumstances of the space we live in.

Goes back to this point

"It's invented, math is an inherently imperfect model created by humans to describe physical circumstances"


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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: Patlal]
    #24002197 - 01/11/17 07:38 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Invented


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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: T-Funkadelic]
    #24002204 - 01/11/17 07:40 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Quote:

T-Funkadelic said:
Distance from one place to another wasn't invented.




"Physical circumstances"

Quote:

T-Funkadelic said:
Calculating distance and time in increments was always there, we just figured it out. I don't believe in god either.




"Model to describe physical circumstances"

Idk man, sounds like you agree with me but don't realize it


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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: Caine]
    #24002212 - 01/11/17 07:43 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Quote:

Caine said:
It's invented, math is an inherently imperfect model created by humans to describe physical circumstances :shrug:





yes. correct IMO

Its just another way to describe what is already there. even that is stretching it..


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: Caine]
    #24002219 - 01/11/17 07:44 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Quote:

Caine said:
It's invented, math is an inherently imperfect model created by humans to describe physical circumstances :shrug:




Can you elaborate on how it's inherently imperfect? Maybe our model/understanding of it isn't perfect but I don't understand how it itself is inherently imperfect.


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Re: Is mathematics invented or discovered? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #24002220 - 01/11/17 07:45 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Invented





:thumbup:

i thought i was going the be the only one to say it was invented


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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