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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #24000200 - 01/11/17 06:11 AM (5 months, 7 days ago)

I'm sure after weed was legalized for a while and people were used to that. And people were used to hearing about Psilocybin & MDMA treating PTSD and curing addicitons and whatnot...

And everybody was well-educated about Psychedelics...

People would at least be open enough to the idea to benefit from it - If somebody is really struggling with addiciton, they would be able to go through it if they were educated and ready - What else have they got to lose?

At least from MDMA. I mean that shit works %100 if done right and isn't risky if done only a few times


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: SavageEdibles]
    #24000358 - 01/11/17 08:56 AM (5 months, 7 days ago)

The same could be said of a motorcycle. Unstable. Could be the impetus of great joy and fun or complete destruction from which one will never recover.

This should not be reason to keep the public from making their own choices and using the item, whether psychedelics or motorcycles or alcohol or their prescription to pain killers, responsibly.


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: LoneLobo]
    #24000468 - 01/11/17 10:19 AM (5 months, 7 days ago)

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Psychedelics are not stable. There is no reliability when it comes to using psychedelics, which are one of the strongest drugs.

One can have a bad trip or a good trip.
Its a roll of the dice.

Because it helped you quit addictive substances, is awesome, im sure its a great story. But that does not mean that it should be prescribed to the general populace to cure the same issue, as im sure it would be varied results.




Guess what? Nothing is stable because not everyone is stable. Just because something isnt 100 percent reliable doesnt mean its not the most effective method.

Prozac is very risky for people with depression. That doesnt stop doctors from trying it atleast once with every patient they see.


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #24000486 - 01/11/17 10:34 AM (5 months, 7 days ago)

stanislav grof used psychedelics to treat mental disorders and psychotic patients.

there is also iboga for heroin and opiates addiction.


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: oontribe]
    #24000577 - 01/11/17 11:14 AM (5 months, 7 days ago)

LSD is the secret 13th step to recovery. It's so secret that AA and NA have completely forgotten it and I've found that the people running meetings, in my area at least, were very resistant to psychedelics. Even coming to anger when it's brought up that the couple who started AA used lsd in their treatment.


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
    #24000682 - 01/11/17 12:03 PM (5 months, 7 days ago)

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they can help some people but they are hardly a cure like you say. and they really have not been studied a lot. so again lets see youre sources :smile:




They have been shown to be roughly 8 to 10 times more effective for addictions than 12 Step.

They did studies where they analyzed the success rates of each method where LSD and Psilocybin had a success rate of 45 - 55% and traditional methods like 12 Step only had a success rate of about 5%.
And that's on the first go.

I didn't know there was people out there that didn't know psychedelics work better than any common method for curing addictions. Being politically correct does not make you look smart or mature it just makes you look politically correct.


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #24000773 - 01/11/17 12:38 PM (5 months, 7 days ago)

I totally agree


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: oontribe]
    #24000871 - 01/11/17 01:17 PM (5 months, 7 days ago)

Can I see the data? You keep saying there's study's but I wanna see them!


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess] * 1
    #24000923 - 01/11/17 01:42 PM (5 months, 7 days ago)

do you know how to use a search engine?...


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #24000997 - 01/11/17 02:05 PM (5 months, 7 days ago)

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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #24001164 - 01/11/17 03:20 PM (5 months, 7 days ago)

Yes and I didn't find any studies. You're saying that studies exist and that dropping acid is 25x more effective than rehab/aa and I don't believe you. If you're going around making outrageous claims that could potentially harm people you need to be able to back those claims up


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
    #24001273 - 01/11/17 03:57 PM (5 months, 7 days ago)

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Yes and I didn't find any studies. You're saying that studies exist and that dropping acid is 25x more effective than rehab/aa and I don't believe you. If you're going around making outrageous claims that could potentially harm people you need to be able to back those claims up





Spaceyvibess, Go check out all the work MAPS is doing.

Here is a list of some of the studies already conducted pertaining to addiction treatment. you can read the findings on their website if you want.

-Ayahuasca in the Treatment of Substance Abuse
-Ibogaine Treatment Study with Addiction
-Ketamine Psychedelic Therapy in the Treatment of Heroin Addiction

And in progress is Psilocybin-Facilitated Addiction Treatment

There is loads of other research pertaining to the psychotherapy of psychedelics they are doing as well. which is equally important I believe.

The Psychedelic experience is a wonderful tool when used properly. Which we have known forever. It's just nice to see these scientific studies finally backing it up.


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: SpaceDawg] * 1
    #24001316 - 01/11/17 04:10 PM (5 months, 7 days ago)

just "dropping acid" isn't going to fix your addiction. but coupled with psychotherapy psychedelics have great potential for helping overcome addiction.  ... addiction is incurable. all you can do is go into remission.


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #24001338 - 01/11/17 04:17 PM (5 months, 7 days ago)

I follow maps and I'm aware that psychedelics can help with addiction but It's flat out irresponsible to tell people that aa and rehab are bullshit and that eating shrooms or acid is the most effective treatment in the world. Yes doing psychedelics with months of psychotherapy could help a lot of people with addiction but auroraborealis is trying to make it seem like dropping acid is25x more effective than existing treatment. Yes there are flaws with existing treatment but as an addict who is currently sober I can tell you that dropping acid didn't help me or anyone else I know get sober.


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
    #24001379 - 01/11/17 04:28 PM (5 months, 7 days ago)

that doesn't mean it couldn't... don't you get it? treatment is about thought processes. taking acid is more effective because it makes you think differently, I don't think AA can make you want to treat your body right as much as LSD or Psilocybin does. it's the introspective one needs.. that is obtained differently for everyone


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #24001418 - 01/11/17 04:37 PM (5 months, 7 days ago)

:whathesaid:


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: SpaceDawg]
    #24001445 - 01/11/17 04:46 PM (5 months, 7 days ago)

I don't disagree I'm just stating that it's dangerous advice to tell mentally unstable and possibly mentally ill addicts that conventional treatment is bullshit and that taking street drugs in an uncontrolled environment is 25x more effective. I don't go to aa meetings anymore but it is a wonderful thing. You don't have to agree with everything they say but they no what you are going through and you will walk out of you're first meeting with 30+ phone numbers of people that you can call 24/7 when you need help


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
    #24001453 - 01/11/17 04:48 PM (5 months, 7 days ago)

And I never said it couldn't. The burden of proof is on the guy stating that lsd is 25x more effective but is unwilling to provide a source. I would still like to see the source. I fully believe psychedelics are medicine but if you're going to make claims that it's 25x more effective than conventional treatment you need to be prepared to back that up


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
    #24001473 - 01/11/17 04:57 PM (5 months, 7 days ago)

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SavageEdibles said:
I am so anti-drug now, I drink Decaf coffee....seriously.

Willpower and assistance from above.



You say that yet here you are at a forum about using drugs. Psychedelics are not for everyone, they weren't for you, bad trips can happen in a perfect set and setting, that's life. I am happy you got over your addiction, but if you're so anti tripping perhaps you shouldn't be posting in a forum that's about tripping. Tripping doesn't cure everything and for some people they get mentally traumatized and damaged from the experience, we all understand that. He has his opinion and you have yours.


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: Supachopped719]
    #24001504 - 01/11/17 05:11 PM (5 months, 7 days ago)

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LSD is the secret 13th step to recovery. It's so secret that AA and NA have completely forgotten it and I've found that the people running meetings, in my area at least, were very resistant to psychedelics. Even coming to anger when it's brought up that the couple who started AA used lsd in their treatment.



LSD was seen by one of the co-founders of AA, Bill Wilson, as a possible tool to help alcoholics recover. He took it as well as several in his inner circle and saw great promise in it's use. Soon after the feds schedule 1'd it and the whole thing was dropped.

He wrote about it in "As Bill Sees it" one of the AA publications. He was ridiculed and pushed aside by many of his peers because of his use of a "mind altering substance" to help with addiction. I find it pretty messed up that the man who started the most successful recovery program ever...was ridiculed for having an open mind....something the program of AA says is required. Anyway, I am a sober alcoholic that applies the program of AA to my life and also takes mushroom breaks a couple times a year to reset my spirituality. I haven't had a drink in almost 18 years but I have only told a couple of my closest AA friends that I use mushrooms. Most people have the unfounded belief that these are recreational drugs and would not understand.:sunny::peace:


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