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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #24009479 - 01/14/17 10:47 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Things really aren't changing much, just the way we think about them and the amounof screens.

You don't know what masculinities of you think its al about aggression and being emotional.

The pic Asante just put up is masculine. Being a  lewder is very masculine. Being 'nurturing' is not. Its normal for females to nurture well we go get food or do a job

I literally go walk around t store at night, slowly shopping, as its t most mild way to deal with the instinct to go out of my area and get food. Of course, there is no killing of an animal when I go out. Its a feminized, and very sad form of hunting.

We can talk about ideal or extremes though. We aren't talking about men not learning to rape when we complain about feminized kids, just like we aren't saying women need to be complete passive slaves that barely speak to be feminine.


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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #24009486 - 01/14/17 10:50 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

My father was an excellent role model. He was very masculine and had his own manly man traits, but he was also very kind and caring. IMO a man should be able to be kind without being a pushover. I see the inability to be kind as a character flaw as well.


He made harsh jokes and talked about some rough things, put us in... "adventurous" situations and I love him all the more for it. He raised my older brother well. After, that is, they stopped trying to push hyper masculine traits on to him. They pushed him really hard into sports and they told him to go on the field and try to kill people (football, ofc) but after he nearly got expelled and ended up in legal trouble my parents focused on actually caring for him. And the ultimate care they gave him was helping him get a job and then kicking him out when he fucked up again.


Today he owns his own business, is married to a smart caring woman that also has her own business, and is one of the most successful people I know. He is a role model to me even still today. My father is as well. I can see my brother took what he was given and applied it, invested it, and it has paid off. He's friends with everyone, nice to everyone, but I'm pretty sure if he ever had the need to he could kill someone with his bare hands.



Now all this being said I do find that alot of strong male role models are a bit aloof. I dunno if that's what makes them successful or if they are that way because they are independent and have their own personal investments and having personal goals is a lead by example kinda thing or what... My dad always had some sort of project or another he was working on, construction of some sort normally, and we all learned alot from it. It meant we didn't often get alot of the attention we may have needed but we learned what it was like to have personal occupation and to be self-reliant.


Not sure if I said what I wanted to say here. Point is supposed to be that I don't think fathers aren't supposed to be nurturing or kind. I think they're just supposed to nurture in a different way. And "friend" parents are the worst. The most fucked up people I have ever seen that actually had parents had these friend parents.


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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: qman]
    #24009586 - 01/14/17 11:26 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Qman, all your posts in this thread are very accurate and I agree. 

Everything is well said and speaks my mind well

It's rare I meet a real man these days and often I meet a woman who demonizes such a concept.

And qman didn't say anything about real men not being kind or nurturing cookie


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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: Masked]
    #24009641 - 01/14/17 11:55 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

That whole "real man" BS is changing and some people don't like it. But it has to change in order for the human race to progress. I think a balance of both "manly" and nurturing/emotional ways can be done. All this BS about "how a man and woman are supposed to act/be" needs an overhaul anyway. (see, I used a "manly" mechanical term there)


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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #24009741 - 01/14/17 12:45 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Men didn't evolve to nurture.


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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: Crystal G]
    #24009746 - 01/14/17 12:48 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

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You need to check your privilege.  Women get special consideration when it comes to violence.  In the rare times they actually get convicted, they get lighter sentences than men for the same crime.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/11/men-women-prison-sentence-length-gender-gap_n_1874742.html




Men who commit murders are much more likely to get 2nd degree murder convictions, whereas women who commit murder on the other hand are rarely given 2nd degree murder convictions and are more often charged with 1st degree murder, because biology is often used to explain uncontrollable and erratic male behavior like temper tantrums.

FYI you sound really stupid saying checking your privilege. :bored:




but women are more likely to be acquitted because of PMS or temporary insanity or
what ever other women's 'issues' they have when they go on a killing rampage


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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #24009916 - 01/14/17 02:25 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

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Masked said:
Qman, all your posts in this thread are very accurate and I agree. 

Everything is well said and speaks my mind well

It's rare I meet a real man these days and often I meet a woman who demonizes such a concept.

And qman didn't say anything about real men not being kind or nurturing cookie




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Femininity and masculinity were always separate. Being hyper aggressive shows a lack of controll, which is not a masculine trait. Masculinity could be more closely related to stoicism in the west.

Sometimes hyper aggression is what's cukteraly expected. You will get more sector killing another tribe in many tribal cultures. We are more morally wise then them, though

Fathers aren't there to be nurturing or kind. An aloof somewhamean fate is much better tn these 'friend' parents. You can't both we a friend as above and equal to you, so a parent can't be a friend.





I don't think anyone will agree on a man should be. The very concept that people should be anything other than kind, considerate, caring, independent, and self-reliable is a fallacy. Everyone is a little different. What works for me might not work for you and what works for qman might not work for you.

I say rejecting the ideas of what "a man" is and "a woman" is and instead letting people embrace and balance their femininity and masculinity is alot healthier than preaching ideals.


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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #24010095 - 01/14/17 03:37 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

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Masked said:
Qman, all your posts in this thread are very accurate and I agree. 

Everything is well said and speaks my mind well

It's rare I meet a real man these days and often I meet a woman who demonizes such a concept.

And qman didn't say anything about real men not being kind or nurturing cookie




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specialpeopleclub said:
Femininity and masculinity were always separate. Being hyper aggressive shows a lack of controll, which is not a masculine trait. Masculinity could be more closely related to stoicism in the west.

Sometimes hyper aggression is what's cukteraly expected. You will get more sector killing another tribe in many tribal cultures. We are more morally wise then them, though

Fathers aren't there to be nurturing or kind. An aloof somewhamean fate is much better tn these 'friend' parents. You can't both we a friend as above and equal to you, so a parent can't be a friend.





I don't think anyone will agree on a man should be. The very concept that people should be anything other than kind, considerate, caring, independent, and self-reliable is a fallacy. Everyone is a little different. What works for me might not work for you and what works for qman might not work for you.

I say rejecting the ideas of what "a man" is and "a woman" is and instead letting people embrace and balance their femininity and masculinity is alot healthier than preaching ideals.



Exactly! :grin:


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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #24010099 - 01/14/17 03:39 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

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Men didn't evolve to nurture.



Everyone should evolve, and also nurture what is worth nurturing, but I guess that could be considered subjective to the person/culture.


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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #24010463 - 01/14/17 06:25 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

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CookieCrumbs said:
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Masked said:
Qman, all your posts in this thread are very accurate and I agree. 

Everything is well said and speaks my mind well

It's rare I meet a real man these days and often I meet a woman who demonizes such a concept.

And qman didn't say anything about real men not being kind or nurturing cookie




Quote:

specialpeopleclub said:
Femininity and masculinity were always separate. Being hyper aggressive shows a lack of controll, which is not a masculine trait. Masculinity could be more closely related to stoicism in the west.

Sometimes hyper aggression is what's cukteraly expected. You will get more sector killing another tribe in many tribal cultures. We are more morally wise then them, though

Fathers aren't there to be nurturing or kind. An aloof somewhamean fate is much better tn these 'friend' parents. You can't both we a friend as above and equal to you, so a parent can't be a friend.





I don't think anyone will agree on a man should be. The very concept that people should be anything other than kind, considerate, caring, independent, and self-reliable is a fallacy. Everyone is a little different. What works for me might not work for you and what works for qman might not work for you.

I say rejecting the ideas of what "a man" is and "a woman" is and instead letting people embrace and balance their femininity and masculinity is alot healthier than preaching ideals.



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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24010486 - 01/14/17 06:35 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

people of all genders need to develop thicker skin. 
stick and stones can break your bones, but yadda yadda yadda.
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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #24010506 - 01/14/17 06:47 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

That's a decent sentiment that I don't disagree with nor do I think qman does.  Nothing he said contradicts your ideas of what it "should" be like.

The problem is, boys are brought up to suppress their masculinity on a large scale...taught that their natural biological male characteristics are a negative thing.  It's one large guilt trip. And if you are white it's even worse :smirk:  ...but that's a whole other conversation lol

The point is, if we lived in a world that embraced the unique Ying and Yang of our very biological inner nature's, I too think the world would be healthier.  The symbiotic nature of female and male characteristics and behaviour can and should be a beautiful thing that works in harmony with one another.


Having chick's have free reign to physically assault men and celebrated for it, with a system that largely leaves such behaviour unpunished, while demonizing men who do the same or demonized for even defending themselves from one of these yahoo's, is NOT a healthy embrace of female and male characteristics.  That much is for certain.

So how do we fix it to what you and me want to see?  That is the real question. Well first of all, we can drop the sick twisted version of radical feminism prevalent in our society today.  Thats only one head of the hydra though.


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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: Masked] * 1
    #24010544 - 01/14/17 07:05 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

People are going out of their minds.  Too much time with t.v. and not enough time in nature anymore.  It allows too much room for wandering off the trail of reality and into all sorts of fantasy lands.  And people are pushing forced acceptance of those fantasy lands now more than ever.  Of course there are going to be problems..


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