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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: qman]
    #24009215 - 01/14/17 09:05 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

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My point still stands, women are now more emboldened than ever before to hit a man because they know the law and policies are on their side.





Changing roles. Nowadays its often the man being the bitch, so the bitchslap has his name on it :bitchslap:





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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: Asante]
    #24009227 - 01/14/17 09:10 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

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My point still stands, women are now more emboldened than ever before to hit a man because they know the law and policies are on their side.





Changing roles. Nowadays its often the man being the bitch, so the bitchslap has his name on it :bitchslap:




Without a doubt, Western culture has done a great job feminizing this new generation of males.


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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: qman] * 2
    #24009251 - 01/14/17 09:20 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Oh god what a terrible thing.

They're not forced to have excessive bravado that normally gets them hurt or killed trying to proof how tuff they are. They're not trained to be cold killing machines from the time they're 7. They're allowed to have emotions and talk about them. They can cook and care for people and admit they like cute things.

The horror. The horror.


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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 2
    #24009267 - 01/14/17 09:28 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

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Oh god what a terrible thing.

They're not forced to have excessive bravado that normally gets them hurt or killed trying to proof how tuff they are. They're not trained to be cold killing machines from the time they're 7. They're allowed to have emotions and talk about them. They can cook and care for people and admit they like cute things.

The horror. The horror.




It is horrible when you see a male behaving like a little girl because he's been taught to reject his natural masculine traits given to him by nature.

He has been taught that his masculine side is bad and it's shameful to bring it out, he been taught that there's little to no difference between males and females.

Myself and many other men of my generation find the whole thing pathetic, seeing married men asking for permission from their wives to even step out of the house for a few hours.


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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: qman]
    #24009279 - 01/14/17 09:33 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

What if a man acts like a big girl, is that OK?





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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: qman]
    #24009297 - 01/14/17 09:40 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

As a victem of the emasculation culture, its disgusting. Its more then liking cute that things. its about people trying to suppressed natural instincts the men used to create the world and leaving a generation of men confused and without purpose.
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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #24009309 - 01/14/17 09:46 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

specialpeopleclub, you have a platform on the Shroomery to address the younger generation. Make threads that deal with sensible masculinity. People will chime in and it will be useful.

I call to memory my Shaving Thread that has been inspiring Shroomerites for almost 8 years now.

Teach about Manhood, the part that matters. The younger generation will thank you, if what you teach holds objective merit.

Dont describe yourself as a victim of emasculization culture, get out of that role and teach what it TRULY means to be a man.

Be a rolemodel, not a victim.



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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: qman]
    #24009354 - 01/14/17 10:03 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

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It is horrible when you see a male behaving like a little girl because he's been taught to reject his natural masculine traits given to him by nature.

He has been taught that his masculine side is bad and it's shameful to bring it out, he been taught that there's little to no difference between males and females.

Myself and many other men of my generation find the whole thing pathetic, seeing married men asking for permission from their wives to even step out of the house for a few hours.




You don't think that hyper-masculinity can be toxic or damaging to the human psyche?

I'll give an example of toxic masculinity; a father who is so afraid of turning his son into a "pussy" that he never holds him or hugs him or says "I love you" to him as a child, he even hits him periodically whenever he cries to "toughen him up." He discourages his son from engaging in anything musical or artistic, anything expressive, especially poetry and dance because that stuff's "for girls and faggots" and only bonds with him by exposing him to aggressive or domineering activities like guns or boxing.

What do you think happens to a kid who grows up with this type of father as a role model?

There's nothing wrong with healthy masculinity, right. The problem becomes when you're too far extreme of one thing with no connection whatsoever to the other side. Ideally a well-rounded person would be in touch with both their feminine and masculine sides. Somebody who leans too far one way or the other is going to be closed off from the nurturing or strengthening aspects that makes a person whole.

I mean, let's face it. Extreme hypermasculinity is the sort of thing that leads to rape, violence, and wars. It's not necessarily always a good thing or healthy for the psyche.


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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: qman]
    #24009359 - 01/14/17 10:05 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

What you are calling emasculation and femiziation I think is being confused with a real femization movement. The one that encourages men to be able to be care givers and like cute things.

The negativity you see, the "pussification" is effecting culture as a whole. And has been for the last 30 years or so. Coincidentally this comes with the rise of the internet and virtual technology. Children don't have solid role models. Children grow up being entertained by TV and the internet and other media. And the rise of working hours of both parents also coincides with this. I don't think all the people of weak character around these days happened because people encouraged them to get in touch with their feminine side. It happened because we stopped giving a shit about each other in the real world. One could say we stopped giving a shit about the real world in general.


And I think that's partly the reason why so many people have "little dog syndrome". They don't know how to behave. They don't know how to stand up for themselves. They don't know how to act in difficult social situations. Aside from how people in TV and movies and the internet act...
I see alot of videos in the thread, in the OP, as part of the problem. People don't know how to critically think anymore. ...if they ever did...


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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #24009402 - 01/14/17 10:20 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Th isnt masculinity. A real man isnt an abusive father. As I said, women don't even understand what its like to be a man. The rape culture this g came up because women are actually so off thy think men think rape is manly.


We don't have roll models, the media is so toxic. its making women into bitches, men into pussies, and everyone is hysteric over news that has nothing to do with them

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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #24009409 - 01/14/17 10:23 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

They wanted to treated as equals..Hit me, I hit you back


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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #24009416 - 01/14/17 10:25 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Hyper aggression is often viewed as masculine yes.

Rape is a hyper aggressive action.


Don't think anyone this day and age, save a few that are extremists, think that hyper aggression is what "a man" is.


Without the degeneration I think there still might not be a balance between femininity and masculinity but that's relatively normal. When the scales have tipped one way for so long and they start to tip back it isn't unusual to go over board. But sooner or later they balance out.
I dunno if we can achieve balance without a full societal overhaul though. So many things have to change, so many systems are outdated, soon alot of them are going to be irrelevant and obsolete. I sadly don't see many of our leaders caring enough to have it change any time soon :undecided:


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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #24009423 - 01/14/17 10:27 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

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Th isnt masculinity. A real man isnt an abusive father.




When people think of a "real man," they typically don't think of a nurturing or kind father either.

In any case, a lot of people believe it's perfectly acceptable to be physically rough with young boys or bully them around a little bit to make them stronger. Even if that isn't what makes somebody a real man, a lot of people have this misconception that you need to toughen boys up that way.


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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #24009436 - 01/14/17 10:31 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Femininity and masculinity were always separate. Being hyper aggressive shows a lack of controll, which is not a masculine trait. Masculinity could be more closely related to stoicism in the west.

Sometimes hyper aggression is what's cukteraly expected. You will get more sector killing another tribe in many tribal cultures. We are more morally wise then them, though

Fathers aren't there to be nurturing or kind. An aloof somewhamean fate is much better tn these 'friend' parents. You can't both we a friend as above and equal to you, so a parent can't be a friend.


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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: Crystal G]
    #24009439 - 01/14/17 10:32 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Theres a balance, as in all things society never seems to find that balance as a rule


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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #24009444 - 01/14/17 10:34 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

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qman said:
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CookieCrumbs said:
Oh god what a terrible thing.

They're not forced to have excessive bravado that normally gets them hurt or killed trying to proof how tuff they are. They're not trained to be cold killing machines from the time they're 7. They're allowed to have emotions and talk about them. They can cook and care for people and admit they like cute things.

The horror. The horror.




It is horrible when you see a male behaving like a little girl because he's been taught to reject his natural masculine traits given to him by nature.

He has been taught that his masculine side is bad and it's shameful to bring it out, he been taught that there's little to no difference between males and females.

Myself and many other men of my generation find the whole thing pathetic, seeing married men asking for permission from their wives to even step out of the house for a few hours.



:archiebunker:

here we go with this shit again...:scat: Don't get married if you have to be that way with a mate.:shrug:
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As a victem of the emasculation culture, its disgusting. Its more then liking cute that things. its about people trying to suppressed natural instincts the men used to create the world and leaving a generation of men confused and without purpose.
Women really understand men, and I haven't seen them try



:archiebunker: *SIGH*:scat:

Progress in human nature and the progression of intelligence beyond base human emotions such as anger is not a bad thing. All this "emasculation/pussification of the male" bullshit is really boring. :rolleyes: The old ways of doing things/being are changing and dying out. Change is inevitable and necessary in order to progress.


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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: Crystal G]
    #24009457 - 01/14/17 10:38 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

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When people think of a "real man," they typically don't think of a nurturing or kind father either.






When I think Real Man I think Silverback Gorilla. Someone who is nurturing, caring, decisive but is willing to whip open a can of whoopass if there is a serious threat, not as much to his authority as to the family group he protects.




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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #24009471 - 01/14/17 10:44 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

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tyrannicalrex said:
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qman said:
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CookieCrumbs said:
Oh god what a terrible thing.

They're not forced to have excessive bravado that normally gets them hurt or killed trying to proof how tuff they are. They're not trained to be cold killing machines from the time they're 7. They're allowed to have emotions and talk about them. They can cook and care for people and admit they like cute things.

The horror. The horror.




It is horrible when you see a male behaving like a little girl because he's been taught to reject his natural masculine traits given to him by nature.

He has been taught that his masculine side is bad and it's shameful to bring it out, he been taught that there's little to no difference between males and females.

Myself and many other men of my generation find the whole thing pathetic, seeing married men asking for permission from their wives to even step out of the house for a few hours.



:archiebunker:

here we go with this shit again...:scat: Don't get married if you have to be that way with a mate.:shrug:





The worst part is when the complain about it, if they're so weak maybe they should just accept it or move on, why bitch about it to people like me.  :lol:


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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #24009473 - 01/14/17 10:44 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

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Femininity and masculinity were always separate. Being hyper aggressive shows a lack of controll, which is not a masculine trait. Masculinity could be more closely related to stoicism in the west.




Sounds to me that you're simply redefining what "masculinity" is to suit your worldview.

Masculinity means a lot of things, but hyper-aggression is most definitely also a masculine trait. I mean, it isn't a feminine trait, that's for sure.


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Re: Videos of men punching back at a woman. [Re: Crystal G]
    #24009477 - 01/14/17 10:47 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

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Crystal G said:
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qman said:
It is horrible when you see a male behaving like a little girl because he's been taught to reject his natural masculine traits given to him by nature.

He has been taught that his masculine side is bad and it's shameful to bring it out, he been taught that there's little to no difference between males and females.

Myself and many other men of my generation find the whole thing pathetic, seeing married men asking for permission from their wives to even step out of the house for a few hours.




You don't think that hyper-masculinity can be toxic or damaging to the human psyche?

I'll give an example of toxic masculinity; a father who is so afraid of turning his son into a "pussy" that he never holds him or hugs him or says "I love you" to him as a child, he even hits him periodically whenever he cries to "toughen him up." He discourages his son from engaging in anything musical or artistic, anything expressive, especially poetry and dance because that stuff's "for girls and faggots" and only bonds with him by exposing him to aggressive or domineering activities like guns or boxing.

What do you think happens to a kid who grows up with this type of father as a role model?

There's nothing wrong with healthy masculinity, right. The problem becomes when you're too far extreme of one thing with no connection whatsoever to the other side. Ideally a well-rounded person would be in touch with both their feminine and masculine sides. Somebody who leans too far one way or the other is going to be closed off from the nurturing or strengthening aspects that makes a person whole.

I mean, let's face it. Extreme hypermasculinity is the sort of thing that leads to rape, violence, and wars. It's not necessarily always a good thing or healthy for the psyche.




No one is calling for "extreme hypermasculinity", we are just asking for males to stop acting like sensitive little pussies all the time.


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