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what have you lost and what are you compensating it with? think. do whatever you can to go back in time and locate what it is that made you possess the negative traits that make up the false self that most of you are today. i believe that the root of all evil is innocence. innocence gone astray. there is innocence somewhere at the roots of those who murder. those who rape. those who commit the most despicable acts that, unfortunately, must be punished by law. and on a smaller scale too. any self-harm in any shape, way, or form, any social harm being it physical or spoken. innocence gone stray. this is something i realized a few months ago. and a few days ago i was crying during one of my mushroom trips. i feel bad from time to time for those who lead miserable lives, poor lives, unfortunate lives. i see it and i think when im walking around the city. but never did i think i would be crying about it and shrooms made me do so. i saw a specific stereotype for a typical man with nothing but anger and evil in his heart. and i cried for him. if only we can fix ourselves. if only we can treat everything with gentleness and care because, done otherwise, we just fuel the anger and evil in our world. start with yourself. you only live once so do the effort it requires. find what it is that defines you negatively and try to deal with it. i’m not sure how you’d deal with it because every issue is different but i’m sure finding it is a pretty strong starting point.
save yourselves and save the world.
edit: today, i realized, that at the root of all self destructive behavior is lack of self respect. how could i destroy myself or engage in undesirable behavior if i had high respect for myself? and now i think maybe it is also at the root the problem i discuss above. how could i cause harm to others and be positioned as such in front of myself and society if i respected myself?
Edited by innerchild (01/15/17 11:53 AM)
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Thanks for the post.
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Sounds very beautiful, like you're on a high vibration. Thanks.
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Even if you could somehow go back into time and recapture innocence gone astray, would you want to? I think naivete is great when you are a kid, but it doesn't translate well into modern society. Or maybe it does, you can just remain of the belief that all is well and Santa Claus is real and Fox News truly is fair and balanced.
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recapture it how? recapture it as in give it the corrective measure before it goes astray?
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innerchild said: recapture it how? recapture it as in give it the corrective measure before it goes astray?
Well it's your thread. Maybe you need to elaborate on what innocence was/is and how it went astray for the killer etc. I don't think it's possible but in the context of "save yourself" am willing to at least consider the possibility it might be.
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i mean we're all born good, right? i highly doubt evil is an innate characteristic we're born with. and be it because of parenting issues, social issues, or just any external factor forced upon you that triggers a series of events, ideas, actions, traits that build you up to the point where you commit an evil/wrong/hurtful act. no? isn't this innocence gone astray?
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innerchild said: i mean we're all born good, right? i highly doubt evil is an innate characteristic we're born with. and be it because of parenting issues, social issues, or just any external factor forced upon you that triggers a series of events, ideas, actions, traits that build you up to the point where you commit an evil/wrong/hurtful act. no? isn't this innocence gone astray?
Depends on how you define as "good". Is genital mutilation "good"? Just one example. After having your foreskin cut off, your dick sucked off, and sewn up haphazardly with no anesthesia at 4 days old, would you say that was "good" or "bad"? Would that tend to hurt your innocence then and there, or can you forgive that cock sucker?
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i am no expert on what the effects of being circumcised or genital mutilation have on one's personality growing up and what negative contributions they may have on other people and society as a result. so i can't really answer that.
what i am simply saying is that everything bad in this world happens as a result of bad programming that can be undone. some are easy, some may seem impossible, but everything can be undone psychologically and that with love, forgiveness, and helping oneself and others, less innocence will go astray and ultimately results in an improved world. naive? too idealistic? yes. it doesn't make it untrue though.
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no. not true. your argument doesn't hold water. you can never go back.
sad but true.
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Edited by LunarEclipse (01/11/17 01:27 PM)
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yeah im not saying you can go back to change things, i am saying you can always change the future path and the world it dictates
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innerchild said: yeah im not saying you can go back to change things, i am saying you can always change the future path and the world it dictates
Baloney. I can and will always try, but frankly the future looks about as bleak as the past. Trying, is the best you can do. Fuck Yoda freaky Disney fucking beast. Trying, is the best you can do.
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optimism / pessimism
to each his own.
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innerchild said: optimism / pessimism
to each his own.
"to each his own"? that's your idea of debate?
read the rules. unreal.
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the debate ended with your message prior to mine. so you want me to keep saying yes you can change and then you replying with baloney etc and i replying with yes you can change and then you replying with baloney etc? what are you saying? you have your opinion, i have my mine. we both stated them, went back and forth a few times, obviously not reaching an agreement, so yes, to each his own seems like a pretty reasonable end to our discussion on this specific matter.
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innerchild said: the debate ended with your message prior to mine. so you want me to keep saying yes you can change and then you replying with baloney etc and i replying with yes you can change and then you replying with baloney etc? what are you saying? you have your opinion, i have my mine. we both stated them, went back and forth a few times, obviously not reaching an agreement, so yes, to each his own seems like a pretty reasonable end to our discussion on this specific matter.
rules? what rules?
That's the problem, you enter a forum with rules, and just spout nonsense.
Sorry bro, live the rest of your life in fantasy land.
Let me guess, CA?
Living In The Land Of La La?
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I will stop replying to you now because I no longer find this back and forth useful to you or to myself, unless you're enjoying this in which case I apologize for ending the discussion. have a good day
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innerchild said: I will stop replying to you now because I no longer find this back and forth useful to you or to myself, unless you're enjoying this in which case I apologize for ending the discussion. have a good day
Who cares what "you find useful"? You are seriously delusional, living in a delusional way, your "optimism" is unjustified. Why would you even care what I enjoy.
OK bud cya later sorry you live in a freaking fog and apologize for it but are smug because you are "optimistic". You and many others are going to be trying to "save yourselves" as the economy crashes and you scrap for food. That's my prediction and it's backed by fact not some delusional bullshit. I doubt you would have the common sense to prep so just hope the 7/11 stays open lol.
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Lunar is on a bad trip.
So has humanity been since the dawn of civilization.
And all these "philosophers" - all depressed, diseased people.
Start afresh,
and if you save yourself, the world is an extension of yourself, it is a manifestation of your being, so every evil little sucker out there is left to the cold.
That's a secret.
We are given sovereignty over our lives and everything we experience, we just don't know it.
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Saying I'm on a "bad trip" is akin to flaming.
Yes, or no?
Seriously disingenuous to judge me. I don't appreciate it, at all. Now apologize, you drop, and give me 20!
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quote]beforethedawn said: Lunar is on a bad trip.
So has humanity been since the dawn of civilization.
And all these "philosophers" - all depressed, diseased people.
Start afresh,
and if you save yourself, the world is an extension of yourself, it is a manifestation of your being, so every evil little sucker out there is left to the cold.
That's a secret.
We are given sovereignty over our lives and everything we experience, we just don't know it.
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beforethedawn said: Lunar is on a bad trip.
So has humanity been since the dawn of civilization.
And all these "philosophers" - all depressed, diseased people.
Start afresh,
and if you save yourself, the world is an extension of yourself, it is a manifestation of your being, so every evil little sucker out there is left to the cold.
That's a secret.
We are given sovereignty over our lives and everything we experience, we just don't know it.
It's no secret, you call me an "evil little sucker"? You have no sovereignty over jack shit. The reason you "just don't know it" is that your mom's basement can't be owned by either her, or you. Who the fuck are you to judge me, you little you know what? Call me evil? Really? fucking amazing.
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Of course, because you are somehow being positive calling me depressed and diseased, you get an optimism gold star which you can put up on the fridge. Probably had perfect attendance too.
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LunarEclipse said: the economy crashes and you scrap for food
Can we survive off mushrooms and cannabis buds?
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Can we survive off mushrooms and cannabis buds?

No.
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LunarEclipse said: the economy crashes and you scrap for food
Can we survive off mushrooms and cannabis buds?

No.
Fine, twinkies and trail mix from 7/11 it is
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I'm going out on a limb perhaps, but I am guessing you may have had a Slurpee or two.
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No I didn't actually refer to you as an evil little sucker, you read that into it. I was just saying there are enemies of independent individuals because they prefer everyone is scared like them and clings to their culture.
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beforethedawn said: No I didn't actually refer to you as an evil little sucker, you read that into it. I was just saying there are enemies of independent individuals because they prefer everyone is scared like them and clings to their culture.
He's whating the anxiety he's making
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I've recently been living as a misanthrope with little hope for human kind. The fire to our home changed that when I had strangers from the other side of town donate furniture and clothes to my family, I even had people from other states, our very own Starstepper for one, jump in to help, and also sprinkles.
Pessimistic attitudes can change, and people can change BACK, with experience and proper handling and motivation. Us humans are fucking amazing on a barely seen and hard to define individual level, and at the same time so oblivious and horrible at times on another..... It's so fucking weird! Woah!
Lunar eclipse man I read a lot of your posts, and enjoy your presence. I hope something happens to bring back some of your optimism.....
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innerchild - fundamentally innocent Lunar - Borg - resistance is futile
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innerchild said: those who commit the most despicable acts that, unfortunately, must be punished by law. if only we can fix ourselves. if only we can treat everything with gentleness and care because
"those who commit the most despicable acts that, unfortunately, must be punished by law."
really? you think correction and punishment is a bad thing?
um what if your mother or sister or grandmother was brutally raped and murdered? would you want that person punished?
If i had it my way people would be humiliated in public then hanged, or given the electric chair. now a days the worst possible scenerio is death my lethal injection. That isnt a punishment at. It is a luxury that even we do not get. I think if punishments were harsher people would think twice about the crimes they commit.. if they knew they were going to be left in the stocks overnight in populated downtown city or be publicly hung in front of God and everybody there would be a lot less assholes out there doing heinous shit.
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I say kill everybody. The world is way too populated and needs to be reduced by billions.
come quickly Lord Jesus! Take the heathens away.
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they're not a bad thing. they are needed. i am saying they are unfortunate that they exist, and they exist because people are unfortunately defected. read the whole context!
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Re: beforethedawn
humans are not born "good" why? 2 reasons off the top of my head
1) good is an artificial concept
2) little children routinely go thru a stage where they bite others
it is only due to repeated training by parents that it is eventually stopped so you obviously haven't been around small children and are making up fantasies, sorry I mean theories
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so if you dont repeatedly train children not to bite, they will grow up to be evil adults who bite people all the time? and are you saying that children biting is an evil deed? im also curious to know how 'good' is an artificial concept. in what sense is it artificial?
Edited by innerchild (01/12/17 03:27 PM)
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when I was a child, my dad kept accusing me of trying to train him (talk about paranoid): really I only wished to transcend him altogether - my efforts were to be quiet, unoffensive, and follow my own interests. this was usually perceived as threatening - oh well.
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One more song.
It's our last fucking tour.
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innerchild said: what have you lost and what are you compensating it with? think. do whatever you can to go back in time and locate what it is that made you possess the negative traits that make up the false self that most of you are today. i believe that the root of all evil is innocence. innocence gone astray. there is innocence somewhere at the roots of those who murder. those who rape. those who commit the most despicable acts that, unfortunately, must be punished by law. and on a smaller scale too. any self-harm in any shape, way, or form, any social harm being it physical or spoken. innocence gone stray. this is something i realized a few months ago. and a few days ago i was crying during one of my mushroom trips. i feel bad from time to time for those who lead miserable lives, poor lives, unfortunate lives. i see it and i think when im walking around the city. but never did i think i would be crying about it and shrooms made me do so. i saw a specific stereotype for a typical man with nothing but anger and evil in his heart. and i cried for him. if only we can fix ourselves. if only we can treat everything with gentleness and care because, done otherwise, we just fuel the anger and evil in our world. start with yourself. you only live once so do the effort it requires. find what it is that defines you negatively and try to deal with it. i’m not sure how you’d deal with it because every issue is different but i’m sure finding it is a pretty strong starting point.
save yourselves and save the world.
This is real insight, do not be deceived by those still spell bound by their own suffering. Thank you for sharing, every now and again it happens - a man sees what can only be known. May this become a touchstone in your life that you may always rely upon and take refuge in. No matter how long the way seems to be - not to seek the truth outside of ourselves so we may instantly enter the right way - so they say.
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thank you. i wish the same for you.
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