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The Mycologist
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Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster?
#23999864 - 01/10/17 11:18 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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What's up everyone? I was just listening to a documentary on ayahuasca ceremonies and am now convinced that they are just all around not the best idea. The set and setting are so horrible, vomiting and gagging around a bunch of strangers while you listen to speech that you don't understand.
I understand that bad trips bring insights but I cant really get behind this.
Whats your take?
P.S. Here is the link
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Imo I think ayahuasca ceremonies are pretty useless.
I prefer to be solo on my trips and being around people makes me very uncomfortable.
When j do ayahuasca I'm going to do it with my best tripping mate and just go for it, everything I've read about it I think me and my friend could handle on our own.
Not Insanely hard to make by yourself either.
If you have extensive psychedelic experience on high doses of mushrooms I think ayahuasca could be handled by anyone who respects the substance.
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The brew makes you vomit right? Why not just smoke DMT?
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Well I've smoked DMT quite a few times now, I enjoy to smoke it quite a bit but I've never tried ayahuasca.
From what I understand it's extremely similar to a Freebase DMT trip, but just much longer around 4 hours. So basically you can pull more from the trip and gain deeper insights. It was somewhat hard to pull anything from my DMT experiences except for the one time I had a really deep trip, all of the others it's just too fast to process.
Yea from what I understand most will vomit from the brew.
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The purge is part of the classical ayahuasca experience. Whether you think it would be enjoyable or not, ceremonies are often times about healing. Purging the body is part of that healing process. To each his own, but with my experience, smoked dmt doesn't offer a substantial enough amount of time to get down to business and use the Medecine. It's a "flash" - as McKenna often calls it. I've been drawn to Aya every since my experimenting with DMT has started but never made it powerful enough. I often start getting into my "work" right as the comedown begins sadly - when the experience only lasts a few minutes.
Also from the viewers perspective, ceremonies look odd, but to the participant it's a very different experience. I have not heard of many folks who didn't get something valuable from a ceremony.
My input is based on a large collection of literature I've read on Aya, DMT, and my experience with the alkaloid.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Greentality]
#24000219 - 01/11/17 04:38 AM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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I've been looking for this video for a while. Thanks for digging it up. 
I gotta agree with greentality. It may look odd from a viewers perspective, but could be totally therapeutic and healing to the user (even if it looks terrifying af from another's perspective).
I have a friend who actually went down to south america and tripped with the shamans. He spent a few months preparing for it and learned as much about the experience as possible. That's how I came across the video. He said the experience was like no other. Experiencing it with a shaman made the world of a difference to him.
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damn 4 hours? thats intense!
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Greentality]
#24000439 - 01/11/17 08:02 AM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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I'm sure that people have healing experiences from the ceremonies but that healing is coming from the DMT itself.
Gagging and feeling nauseous is just going to make it hard for people to let go. They are going to keep being reminded that they have a body etc.
All in all, these ceremonies can be very powerful but that is because DMT is very powerful. We have to remember that these ceremonies are of folk nature and just because one group of people did it that way doesnt necessarily mean its the best way to go about it. All the tobacco blowing etc makes me start to doubt the necessity of all the steps, in the video they said DMT without these steps would not show any visionary aspects and I know that's not the case.
Couldn't you eat some sort of maoi and dmt that doesnt cause nausea?
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I was just talking about this with someone yesterday. I'd have to say I'm against going to South America for ayahuasca ceremonies. Some of them are just out to get people's money. A three day ceremony could cost you as much as $2k.
The set and setting seems terrible as well. You are in a foreign atmosphere with bugs constantly attacking you while hearing every animal, including the need to purge and diarrhea. I don't know about you, but all these combinations would make me have a bad trip.
Some shamans just let you wander in the forest at night, and people end up getting seriously hurt. There have been reports of people gone missing, there families worried about what happened.
Going to these ceremonies are very risky, and if you really wanna go to one, I suggest you do extensive research on the retreat that you're going to.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: synthetik]
#24000525 - 01/11/17 08:55 AM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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synthetik said: damn 4 hours? thats intense!
It's not as intense as vaporized dmt, it's more like mushrooms, lsd, etc. If you vaped psilocin or lsd you would have a really intense experience for a short duration as well. It's all about the ROI.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: krypto2000]
#24000603 - 01/11/17 09:27 AM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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I recently watched a prog on you tube called metamorphasis (excuse my lazy spelling)about a group in peru.one of the shaman is an american.anyway ,True to say.the whole thing,ceremony,rituals are hardcore.Not for larfs. The guests seemed to get alot from it.However ,If i had the cash i wouldnt go. I recently had a two week holiday on my own in Morocco .It did me a world of good .Also i smoked 2 grams of top quality hash every day, and the people were very nice. I wonder if a break from the usual is as benefical as a week in the jungle chucking your guts up. I can do that in my garden.lol.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: dazzleship]
#24000611 - 01/11/17 09:33 AM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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Back on topic.I save my lungs for weed.Oral dmt for me.Had 5 g of ACRB this morning+.2 g.of rue.puked in the garden,went for a walk with the missus. How much should i use for a breakthrough experience?So far im just getting mild visuals..
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: dazzleship]
#24000791 - 01/11/17 10:48 AM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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I do ayahuasca ceremonies. It goes like this 2 or 3 people dosing at their own house. Their own people in the house. I brew it and get to know them more (I already know them im not dosing strangers but I mean on an intimate intellectual level) then after a lot of making sure everything is in the right place I give everyone their dose. No one is forced to take it all or not get enough or anything. I try not to impose my will on someone else. After we are all comfortable we get purging bags and carry them around (only one guy purged so far) and very comfortably go into the trip, each person with their own zone of comfort. You wanna sit by me and trip? Sure. You wanna trip in your own room? Sure. I just make sure to inconspicuously check up on people just make sure they are having a decent time. If they want to talk I let them. I never start conversation with tripping people.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: dazzleship]
#24000807 - 01/11/17 10:56 AM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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dazzleship said: Back on topic.I save my lungs for weed.Oral dmt for me.Had 5 g of ACRB this morning+.2 g.of rue.puked in the garden,went for a walk with the missus. How much should i use for a breakthrough experience?So far im just getting mild visuals..
Smoked and oral dmt are two totally different experiences. They both have their own pluses and minuses, but you can't really compare them. DMT isn't going to do anything significant to your lungs if that's all you're worried about.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: krypto2000]
#24000843 - 01/11/17 11:07 AM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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Sure.I have smoked the pot for 30 years.my lungs are fine.I have lived in the same place for 11 years.I havent met anyone like myself here.thats why i feel like a pariah. I tried to make some dmt once.made a fucking mess everywhere with limonene I made some spice.IF i had smoked enuf it probably would have been awesome. I would love to smoke some dmt.sorry about the sour grapes. Also ,i would love to meet digital elves.People round these parts are really dull.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: krypto2000]
#24000847 - 01/11/17 11:10 AM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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I've yet to try ayah although I have all the ingredients here. The purge does put me off a little, but I know it's all part of it, and I believe it is a very cleansing part of the ceremony, removing toxins and other bad things within the body, on numerous levels. I didn't try any yet though because I know we might purge, I think might be better with a sitter or at least another person for my first time trying it.
I have the vine yellow, some rue, mimosa, chaliponga and chacruna, I was thinking first try to use the b caapi vine then chacruna leaves, and perhaps make it a low ish dose as I don't have a sitter, and I've had it all sat here six months stored away haha!
I'd love to go to a ceremony in Peru or somewhere, but I'm wary as how do you know your with a genuine Shaman and not a place that's just jumping on the band wagon now they see us all headed out there, you know? I realise that's a pessimistic view, but hats the world we live in haha. And anyway I'm poor so I can't afford to
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: dazzleship]
#24000868 - 01/11/17 11:17 AM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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I wonder if a ceremony must involve more than one person.I have heard of people getting together in the UK for AYA ceremony. I suppose if done solo its called a ritual. If you were me...how would you proceed?
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: dazzleship]
#24000880 - 01/11/17 11:22 AM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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I dunno but let me know if you think of a way My problem is I always trip alone, I'm happy and comfortable with this and I think I'll always want to most alone as it's better this way to meditate or whatever I'm doing that night, but I don't know anyone who trips you see and I rather not be with sober people while I'm in some other dimension hahaha. So for me, I just need a good friend who I could share these evenings with. I just don't fancy ayah alone, least not the first time til I know how effects me.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Spellbound]
#24000887 - 01/11/17 11:26 AM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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I wouldnt worry about the purge .I had some bufotenine recently.As a meditator ,i find it a subtle but powerfull ally.However sometimes the nausea is real strong-then you vomit and everything is nice.i guess its the same with AYA. Im using a AYA analogue.Rue extract with mimo or acrb.Im new to this,But i want to go the whole way.I will journey alone no doubt-vomiting is no worry-not getting where i want to be is.If you have the tools,go for it.Im thinking of getting some caapi vine.Real AYA is usually high in harmals,Dmt it not the main ingredient.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: dazzleship]
#24000891 - 01/11/17 11:29 AM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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Yeah, the vine do the rue are both an maoi aren't they, I plan to drink some with the vine then have the chacruna a little later maybe. But I don't know when.
Cactus tea made me purge, oh my was awful, though I struggled even getting it down is no wonder some came back up haha!
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: dazzleship]
#24000904 - 01/11/17 11:34 AM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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If you go solo be sure to pay your respects to lady aya. And if you see me while in the zone say hi. Ill be the one covered with snakes and butterflies and lotus flowers. It would be nice if you did see me lol ive had a few people tell me they saw a real nice entity with snakes and butterflies and flowers and it felt like it was connected to me (my physical being) and that it helped them through. I tend to brew a little more than needed for each person and have them stop themselves. Its really easy to do too. Just listen to your inner dialogue and you will take exactly what is needed for you at that time in your life
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Mike4aco] 1
#24000915 - 01/11/17 11:38 AM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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Spellbound I made cactus soup added a little sugar and some basil and it was wonderful. Tasted so go i was sad when it was gone.
Aya is easiest if you dose the harmalas then wait for the heavy stomach and dose the chacruna or acacia or whatever you choose with dmt. I use a blend of chacruna and chaliponga, but the plant told me what to use and how much. I literally stand in front of the stove with bags of herbs and talk to them and put a few scoops in until they say that's plenty of me! I end up with 10 to 15 g chaliponga and 30 to 40 g of chacruna per person with around 50 g Caapi. Some apple juices from concentrate helps the taste immensely. And a bit if vinegar to help the solubility
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Mike4aco]
#24000968 - 01/11/17 11:55 AM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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If you want an ayahausca trip w/o the purge, or at least minimize it, you could make 'pharmahausca' (sp?). Extract your dmt, then use an maoi that doesn't come with nausea.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Spellbound]
#24001002 - 01/11/17 12:06 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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Likewise.My wife is off work with a bad back.when shes gone back.i plan to go deep.I read that small doses of vine is good for depression. I think its good to start low and build up over a period of time. Hawaiian baby woodrose is really nice but theres a tolerance.With harmala and Dmt there is none-so the getting-to-know-you-period can be quite brief.Ive been on daily doses for a while ,im getting ready for something......sometime,
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Mike4aco]
#24001131 - 01/11/17 01:02 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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Thats very interesting.I feel drawn to this-i feel its my destiny.I stopped working three years ago.I suffered chronic pain,depression dramatic wieght loss.Looking back.I realise its all part of the journey.4 years ago i was a beer monster.I was insensitive to everything.When i gave up booze i assumed my life would get better.However,i succumbed to a multitude of wear and tear injuries.My life turned to shit-i didnt know what to do.then after 3 years of pain etc,i started to do Yoga nidra meditation shortly after i started Qigong. What started as an exercise to control pain soon became a spiritual journey. I realised i spent all my adult life doing it all wrong.What a revelation! Thanks to all.the input is great.I feel less alone.Certainly,i feel the need to reach out to people who move with the spirits. I will look out for thee when i journey.I wonder what manifestation i will assume.I would be nice to be female maybe.Im a sculptor ,most of my pieces are of spirit entities.Usualy Gaia but sometimes mushroom spirits .I wonder what awaits on the other side.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Spellbound]
#24001150 - 01/11/17 01:14 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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You can negate the nausea when using ACRB and mimo by adding egg white to the b rew to absorb the tannins.Rue extract dont cause me nausea on its own .Lemon essential oil works well too.when have had it with lowish doses of mimo i have no nausea at all. BTW .i used some chopped garlic with my HBW seeds.Nausea free LSA is very very nice.Add some cinnamon essential oil and and you got an acid-like experience that is (imo)better than acid.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: dazzleship]
#24001186 - 01/11/17 01:30 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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There is no tolerance to ayahausca? I doubt that. There's no reason there should not be.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: dazzleship]
#24001201 - 01/11/17 01:35 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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Thanks Mike that's interesting. I likely bought too much caapi, there's 1kg there lol,and I've no idea how long it's good for hahaha. Lesser amounts of the leaves though.
I don't mind the purge, I mean yh I dread that it will come, but if I'm doing ayah and I need cleansing during, I'd rather have the full thing and be cleansed if you know what I mean, could try pharma before ayah I do have a jar full of Syrian rue here also. Maybe start low and work up.
Hey yh I too realised some years ago also I've been on the wrong path, isn't it wonderful to come back onto what feels like the right one
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#24001279 - 01/11/17 01:59 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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krypto2000 said: There is no tolerance to ayahausca? I doubt that. There's no reason there should not be.
Oral DMT has no tolerance, and Harmalas have a reverse tolerance, so the DMT dosage stays the same and the Harmalas just get stronger the more you take them so you can back the dosage down bit by bit as you go along, and as the Harmalas reverse tolerance builds up, side-effects like nausea, vomiting, body load, motor function impairment, etc, goes away and the Rue cleans up quite well, allowing you to handle stronger/heavier Harmala dosages more easily.
You can literally take Aya as much/often/frequently as you like and the magic stays.
I've actually been taking the Rue seed daily for 8 months or so now, all i need right now is one capsule of like 600 to 800mgs of Rue seed powder for a really strong Rue dose. I have to take a few days off here and there to let the reverse tolerance back off a bit so that the dosage lowers a bit, but so far it's actually been useful as an anti-depressant.
Btw, i've also worked with Rue freebase extract, and purified Harmalas, and if you take enough of the extract, you will no doubt still vomit, unless the reverse tolerance is built up enough that the side-effects go away.
Also, there's Moclobemide, which is a pharmaceutical RIMA (reversible inhibitor of MAO-A) and unlike the Harmalas it doesn't cause any nausea or vomiting. So any nausea or vomiting one might get from taking Mimosa or Acacia with it, most likely would come from the tannins, which an egg white cleanse while brewing can help with, but if not done properly, the egg white cleanse can reduce potency. Which is why i now stick with Mimosa or Acacia residues that i encapsulate, they still contain a bit of tannins but it's better than ingesting the actual root powder itself like i used to, or losing potency trying to clean up teas. I think capsules work better than teas anyways.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Sabnock]
#24001331 - 01/11/17 02:13 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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Doing some research it seems you're right. I wonder why though? I can understand not gaining a tolerance to harmala, but not dmt. DMT has the same mechanism of action as other psychedelics, psilocin/mushrooms being the most similar, the only difference is that it's rapidly metabolized which is why we vape it or take it with an maoi. I wonder if you were to take mushrooms and rue if you would not acquire a tolerance either.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Sabnock]
#24001483 - 01/11/17 03:02 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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Sounds good.I find s.rue extract quite user friendly.I had 450 mls of 10x extract in 150ml doses over a few hours recently.the effects were very relaxing.I find its a nice substance in its own right.I also bung down a strong passion flower tablet sometimes on top,also a RIMA ,i believe.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Sabnock]
#24001498 - 01/11/17 03:07 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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I like the idea of encapsulating the residue.how do you get residue.whats your method?
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: krypto2000]
#24001502 - 01/11/17 03:11 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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Probably has to do with its relationship to regular brain chemistry. I imagine you cant gain a tolerance to serotonin either.
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The Mycologist said: Probably has to do with its relationship to regular brain chemistry. I imagine you cant gain a tolerance to serotonin either.
I don't see why not. MDMA releases serotonin and as a result your 5ht receptors downregulate. SSRI's inhibit the reuptake and again as a result 5ht receptors downregulate. Amphetamines release 5ht, dopamine, and norepinephrine as well as inhibit the reuptake to varying degrees (release and reuptake inhibition is dependant upon the amphetamine). All receptors involved downregulate in response. The drugs are not exciting the receptors, they merely facilitate the endogenous hormones to excite them, and in turn we gain a tolerance from over excitement.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: dazzleship]
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dazzleship said: I like the idea of encapsulating the residue.how do you get residue.whats your method?
I weigh out a dose of Mimosa or Acacia root powder, put it into a jar with 300 to 400mls or so of room temp bottled water, put the lid on and shake it well periodically throughout the day and let it sit overnight. The next day filter the liquid through a coffee filter, pour the liquid into a dish in front of a fan so that it evaporates to a residue, then scrape up the residue and encapsulate it. I also use a screw driver drill bit thing to pack the residue powder or Rue seed powder into capsules. And it might not be necessary to let the Mimosa or Acacia root and water sit overnight, if i remember correctly i only needed like 6 hours or so when i first started out, but i just let it sit overnight, also it helps the root powder stick to the bottom of the jar so that i can pour the liquid off more easily. Doing it this way i've been able to make residues from up to 10 grams of Mimosa or Acacia root powder.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: krypto2000]
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krypto2000 said: Doing some research it seems you're right. I wonder why though? I can understand not gaining a tolerance to harmala, but not dmt. DMT has the same mechanism of action as other psychedelics, psilocin/mushrooms being the most similar, the only difference is that it's rapidly metabolized which is why we vape it or take it with an maoi. I wonder if you were to take mushrooms and rue if you would not acquire a tolerance either.
I had that thought too before, but apparently people have tried it out and tolerance to Shrooms still happens even with Rue, as far as i know, but i haven't taken Shrooms with Rue but a few times so if i ever do have an abundance of Shrooms i'd probably try it out just to see. I tried taking 4-ACO-DMT with Rue to see if it'd gain a tolerance but the tolerance was still there and ended up wasting the rest of my 4-ACO.
But as for why DMT doesn't have a tolerance, i'm not sure, but i'm glad it doesn't because it's one of the few things people can take as much as they want of and use it as often as they'd like and the magic still remains.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: krypto2000]
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Hmm, I'm not too knowledgeable about those kind of things but that makes sense. So what does DMT do differently that makes it not build a tolerance?
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The Mycologist said: Hmm, I'm not too knowledgeable about those kind of things but that makes sense. So what does DMT do differently that makes it not build a tolerance?
I'm not sure, but perhaps it's due to it being an endogenous compound. I know NMT (another endogenous compound) also doesn't seem to have a tolerance, as i've taken Acacia Confusa many times quite regularly and never noticed a tolerance to it either. I wonder if 5-MEO-DMT and Bufotenin are the same way, since they're also said to be endogenous. I know i've taken Melatonin nightly for years before, and always took the same dosage, never gained a tolerance to that either.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Spellbound]
#24002834 - 01/12/17 12:14 AM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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The thing is, the purpose of the ceremony is not just to trip.
Sure, in terms of a regular western person's psychedelic experience, the set and setting may be weird, but for the people that developed these ceremonies, it was not alien at all. The shaman who lead the ceremonies are supposed to have had years of training and experience doing that work for themselves and their community.
The purpose for the ceremony is for healing and spiritual growth. The shaman were the respected people from an area who were chosen to do that work for their people. It may seem like a bad idea for a westerner, and that is becuase it wasn't originally meant for us.
As with all therapy, you have to find what works for you, the right therapist, and a comfortable atmosphere in which to do your healing. If you are making that journey, obviously your idea of appropriate set and setting is a bit removed from just chilling at home alone. It's all just perspective.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Sabnock]
#24003044 - 01/12/17 02:44 AM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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thanks.I was doing CWE (cold water extraction) with the mimo.I read that the effects were better than hot water extraction.Funnily enuf.This morning i put 10 grams of ACRB powder in a 500ml bottle with 400mls of mineral water with a few drops of white vinegar.I was gonna shake it a few time today,leave it over-night. Filter it through coffee filter paper tomorrow. Tomorrow i will do the evap with a fan and a wide shallow dish. Have you tried smoking the residue.If so how many mgs? Did you say there was nausea with the residue orally ? If so,i think Lemon Essential Oil may be beneficial. thats for the tip.I will give it a go. I cant really do any long cooking with vine and leaves at the moment, so this method is ideal as i can do it all in my workshop.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Mike4aco]
#24003077 - 01/12/17 03:25 AM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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How should i pay my respects.Do you have a ritual.Maybe i could make a little shrine and make offerings .
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Mike4aco]
#24003153 - 01/12/17 04:49 AM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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I was wondering.Do you tend to see archytypes .when i had yopo i saw lots of Jaguars .Do you see the lady.I dont want her to kick my ass for all the naughty stuff i did in my past.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: dazzleship]
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dazzleship said: thanks.I was doing CWE (cold water extraction) with the mimo.I read that the effects were better than hot water extraction.Funnily enuf.This morning i put 10 grams of ACRB powder in a 500ml bottle with 400mls of mineral water with a few drops of white vinegar.I was gonna shake it a few time today,leave it over-night. Filter it through coffee filter paper tomorrow. Tomorrow i will do the evap with a fan and a wide shallow dish. Have you tried smoking the residue.If so how many mgs? Did you say there was nausea with the residue orally ? If so,i think Lemon Essential Oil may be beneficial. thats for the tip.I will give it a go. I cant really do any long cooking with vine and leaves at the moment, so this method is ideal as i can do it all in my workshop.
I've tried smoking the residue once, the residue really isn't smokeable ime.
But if there's any nausea with Mimosa or Acacia residues, imo it'd mainly be due to tannins, but there's certainly less nausea with residues compared to ingesting the actual root powder. As for Lemon EO, sure it could work perhaps, but Lemon EO can also alter/relax the experience a bit ime but if you do happen to try the Lemon EO lmk how it goes because i've only taken it wit DMT a few times, not enough to know for sure how Lemon EO might change things.
But yeah just make sure you shake the jar with the Acacia root powder pretty well so that all the goods get into the water, but it should definitely work. Good luck
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Sabnock]
#24003801 - 01/12/17 11:23 AM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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Cheers.The mix is already a mahogany red colour.i did shake it up a few times today.i have taken the LEO with mimosa tea.it really does negate the nausea at a 5 gram dose.when i have had the mimo without it i have puked.also i tend to chew on a lump of ginger root. Can you elaborate on the experience with 10 grams worth of powder ,using your method.how much rue do you use with it?
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: dazzleship]
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dazzleship said: How should i pay my respects.Do you have a ritual.Maybe i could make a little shrine and make offerings .
When I start brewing I make a point to go to everyone who will be involved. For example sake, lets say it is i, my friend r, and his friend s. So I take it to r. Let him look at the dry pieces. I tell him to reflect and think about things. But you have to focus on unfocusing. Like imagine you were late to work and someone cut you off driving. See that event, and go past it. Don't stop and think "gosh that asshole cut me off and ruined my day" instead think "I went to work and had a good day" So r and s have seen the dry bark and leaves, maybe even touched it and smelled it. They are focusing on releasing their everyday tension and being free from thought.
I go and add water and start cooking.
"Ayahuasca you are very powerful. You show me and us what needs to be seen. Not what we want to see. I respect you. I love you. You love me and will ensure that all of us have a safe trip."
Something like that. I speak to the brew quietly so not to disturb my friends who will dose. I politely ask mother ayahuasca to show what needs to be seen. I never ask for specific guidance or visuals. I ask her to forgive any mistakes I have made in preparation and ask her to take care of us.
As for archetypes myself I see snakes and butterflies and flowers. I oftentimes tell people that if they take a larger dose of something to look for me, as I will be the happy vibrant energy covered in snakes and butterflies and flowers. I usually see faceless interactions as if my life was being played back but with nameless characters (I could and have been any/all of them at once) which is really interesting as it pulls my focus to the universal viewpoint instead of that of me the individual. Lots of times I don't feel like "I" dosed aya. I feel like "we" as a group dosed something that pulled us out of third dimensional thought.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Mike4aco]
#24004039 - 01/12/17 01:06 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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The powder was soaked for 11 hours.I just strained thro a coffee filter.I will slowly vap it off and put in gel caps. Im not familiar with the ceremony but it seems the right way to proceed.I will definately show respect and gratitude. Maybe i will make a shrine to Kali.Taken from hinduism. Kala is the word for time.Time is the destroyer of all things.Did you familiar with the image of Kali riding Shivas corpse.?In her left hand is a severed head.Its a message to cut yourself away from pettiness. I made a shrine to Kali in india.just a small thing with some offerings.i said thank you for my time. Lately,I am a student of Daoism.Its impossible to articulate some of the deeper experiences i have had. Some may be cynical of ritual thing.However,I agree,its important to create the right mindset. Maybe i will do some meditation prior to consumption.Meditation is a powerful tool for personal transformation. BTw.I like your Humility.thank you.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: dazzleship]
#24004067 - 01/12/17 01:16 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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I always meditate. I like doing it with the steam in my face not too hot mind you just enough so I get a facefull of the scent of the plants and I feel their electricity in me.
A shrine is a good idea, especially since you have an idea of what to do and how to do it already. I hope you have a wonderful trip and an eye opening journey
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: dazzleship]
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dazzleship said: Cheers.The mix is already a mahogany red colour.i did shake it up a few times today.i have taken the LEO with mimosa tea.it really does negate the nausea at a 5 gram dose.when i have had the mimo without it i have puked.also i tend to chew on a lump of ginger root. Can you elaborate on the experience with 10 grams worth of powder ,using your method.how much rue do you use with it?
Well i haven't taken 10 grams personally, i've just made residues from 10 grams of Mimosa that i split into two 5 gram doses. Most i've taken would be like 8 to 9 grams of Mimosa or Acacia, which is too much for me, i prefer 5 to 6 grams of Mimosa or Acacia root, with 8 grams being about as far as i'd wanna go. And i usually use 4 grams of Rue seed powder or 200mgs of Rue freebased extract, but common dosage for Rue seed is 3 to 4 grams, 3 being a moderate dose with really no nausea or vomiting, and 4 grams being a high dose that can cause nausea and vomiting, or 180mgs to 200mgs of the freebase extract which is roughly equivalent i'd say to 3 to 4 grams of Rue seed. But as the Rue's reverse tolerance builds up i lower the Rue dosage bit by bit as i go along to stay within a somewhat consistent dosage range.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Sabnock]
#24004323 - 01/12/17 02:36 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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Perhaps my batch of mimo powder wasnt too potent.I really like the effects @ 5 gs its similar to a lowish dose of mushrooms.Everything becomes eye candy.Visually, theres a velvety quality which is hard to define. Daoism has taught me the importance of grounding.With practise,you can feel like a tree rooted to the ground. Also i want to get some I want to get some Black Obsidian .A powerful tool for grounding and warding off negative/evil forces.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Mike4aco]
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Mike4aco said: I always meditate. I like doing it with the steam in my face not too hot mind you just enough so I get a facefull of the scent of the plants and I feel their electricity in me.
A shrine is a good idea, especially since you have an idea of what to do and how to do it already. I hope you have a wonderful trip and an eye opening journey
Sometimes i do Zhan Zhuang in front of the cooker.I can keep an eye on stuff while doing standing practise.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: dazzleship]
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dazzleship said: Perhaps my batch of mimo powder wasnt too potent.I really like the effects @ 5 gs its similar to a lowish dose of mushrooms.Everything becomes eye candy. Visually,theres a velvety quality which is hard to define. Daoism has taught me the importance of grounding.With practise,you can feel like a tree rooted to the ground. Also i want to get some I want to get some Black Obsidian .A powerful tool for grounding and warding off negative/evil forces.
What Rue dosage have you used? I also tend to sift my Mimosa or Acacia powder to make sure there's no fibers in there. You wanna have a good dosage of Rue, and get the timing right between the Rue and Mimosa/Acacia, and you should have some pretty powerful experiences. The potency of plant materials can vary here and there though, but ime the Rue dosage has always been the same, but some Mimosa or Acacia root can be a little weaker than others. As long as you have a good Rue dosage, and time the ingestion of the Mimosa or Acacia right, then you should be able to find the dosage of Mimosa or Acacia for you and your batch of plant materials. Just try things out and see how it all goes, it's trial and error but if you keep at it you'll find the right dosages, timing, and plants that work for you.
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The Mycologist said: What's up everyone? I was just listening to a documentary on ayahuasca ceremonies and am now convinced that they are just all around not the best idea. The set and setting are so horrible, vomiting and gagging around a bunch of strangers while you listen to speech that you don't understand.
I understand that bad trips bring insights but I cant really get behind this.
Whats your take?
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The people in this video trip 5 nights in a row....I can't imagine that...how exhausted I would be after it was over.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Sabnock]
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What is your timing between rue ingestion and mimosa/acacia ingestion? I think I've read about 45 minutes to an hour?
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Amanita86]
#24004621 - 01/12/17 04:05 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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No matter what trip I'm having before I start I sage the room I'm in all around and speak things for protection guidance and the like. Often have some gems or crystals around and a pad for any revelations haha. Selection of music, though after reading that other thread I'm hunting for music at both 432hz and 528hz for next time. Though it won't be ayah.
Five nights in a row! No thanks I looked into some of these holidays where you try ayah, San Pedro, shrooms etc and you trip three times in the week, and I can't imagine that must be tiring so that put me off those. Once a month can be plenty for me haha.
When I read up on dosing in two halves I decided to leave up to one hour between them. But not longer. Just off different things I read.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Amanita86]
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Amanita86 said: What is your timing between rue ingestion and mimosa/acacia ingestion? I think I've read about 45 minutes to an hour?
With Rue and Mimosa or Acacia capsules, usually 30 minutes apart. Back when i was making egg white cleansed Mimosa or Acacia teas though, i'd take my Rue capsules and wait about an hour to drink the tea, but 45 minutes is perhaps better for drinking Mimosa or Acacia tea after taking Rue seed or extract in capsules, but for Mimosa or Acacia capsules you wanna do 30 minutes.
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Thayendanegea said: The people in this video trip 5 nights in a row....I can't imagine that...how exhausted I would be after it was over.
I've taken Rue and Mimosa or Acacia quite frequently/regularly before, even nightly, i quite love the fact that you can take this stuff as much/as long as you want to, there's literally no tolerance to it that i've noticed. As for feeling exhausted, i've actually usually felt better after, not exhausted at all that i can remember.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Sabnock]
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What about this, I read before that you aren't supposed to use metal pots. Something about it neutralizing the actives. When I've seen videos of 'natives' making it they usually have metal pots over a fire though.
Have you used standard metal pots? Have you noticed any difference in potency between metal pots, ones with a lining or glass? I can't think of a reason why metal would alter anythng but I'm not sure how those chemicals react so it wouldn't surprise me either way.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Amanita86]
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Amanita86 said: What about this, I read before that you aren't supposed to use metal pots. Something about it neutralizing the actives. When I've seen videos of 'natives' making it they usually have metal pots over a fire though.
Have you used standard metal pots? Have you noticed any difference in potency between metal pots, ones with a lining or glass? I can't think of a reason why metal would alter anythng but I'm not sure how those chemicals react so it wouldn't surprise me either way.
I've used metal/stainless steel pots and haven't had any issue. I think it's mainly something like aluminum pots you don't wanna use, if i remember correctly.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Sabnock]
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Why not aluminum? I'm just curious on what reaction is going on in there that would change things up.
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Amanita86 said: Why not aluminum? I'm just curious on what reaction is going on in there that would change things up.
I'm not sure, might be able to find out more on the Nexus or Ayahuasca forums though. But i think the main thing for me about aluminum would probably be a possibility of it leeching into the brews, not sure if that happens though.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Sabnock]
#24005717 - 01/12/17 09:58 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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Wait 5 nights in a row where can I sign up and can I take a double class??? You're not gonna want to use iron or aluminum pots because it causes a chemical reaction that produces toxic byproducts I think. Im not sure specifically what they are I just know its really bad. I use stainless steel and I get no bad taste or weird byproducts. I had more but its been 2 hours since I started writing and ive been plenty distracted lol
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Thats the documentry i watched.Its 1.5 hours long.Very interesting if you are new to aya....Also quite HARROWING.some of the participants had BIG issues to deal with. i wish them well.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Sabnock]
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I have been using about 150 -200 mgs of 10x extract of rue.Usually 30 mins B4. The mimosa was not powder,but chunks of bark.Smells nice.I put it in a 600w juicer.It will obliterate anything.It came out as 2 forms ,fine powder and some fibre which i think is now quite inert(lost its colour).I got a feeling the mimosa isnt too potent.The ACRB make a much darker dye.Reports suggest a dose between 5-10 grams of powder. My batch is being prepared.I will have some Hawaiian babies tonight and try the Acrb tomorrow.cheers.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Spellbound]
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I was doing some research on those sounds.You can find music on youtube with the sound you want.However they are not all the same.some will push your spiritual energy up.some are more grounding.My wife got me this big tuning fork that does the om sound.My sons got the other two you mentioned. The Om is a lovely deep hum.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Amanita86]
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Dont use ally pots cos it stains red.Use stainless steel.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Sabnock]
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i have learnt alot about brewing up some oral dmt ,just from this thread. the CWE with a slow reduction is nice and simple with no chems etc,thanks. i have used the brew most days,The ACRB is super potent.I havent been beyond 3 grams worth. I have been making some bufo changa.I made some caapi leaf extract (10x ?) using the CWE and reduce to a resin with fan and shallow dish.Same as ACRB. Anyone know if the resin is soluble in acetone?I want to blend it into the changa....
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What's wrong with vomiting? Also smoked DMT isn't supposed to be the same experience as ayahuasca.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Kinshino]
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Kinshino said: The set and setting seems terrible as well. You are in a foreign atmosphere with bugs constantly attacking you while hearing every animal, including the need to purge and diarrhea. I don't know about you, but all these combinations would make me have a bad trip.
I really don't know about you guys but that's the kind of shit I'm after.
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krypto2000 said: If you want an ayahausca trip w/o the purge, or at least minimize it, you could make 'pharmahausca' (sp?). Extract your dmt, then use an maoi that doesn't come with nausea.
best trip of my life, highly recommended
I holed myself up in a dark spare bedroom for 20 hours, no sound or interruptions. Was glorious!
I listened to a television once while on ayahuasca and it made me want to run out of the room screaming. It was like nails on a chalkboard. I can only imagine how shitty it would be to hear a bunch of people moaning, throwing up, and other weird foreign tongues.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Get Shwifty]
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I have ordered some 30x caapi resin.i wanna do some ayawotsit brew with ACRB powder.1 gram of resin is recomended.what dose of ACRB should i brew for a nice experience.i have tried with some rue extract ,im hoping the caapi will be more interesting.
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