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dazzleship
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Mike4aco]
#24003077 - 01/12/17 03:25 AM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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How should i pay my respects.Do you have a ritual.Maybe i could make a little shrine and make offerings .
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Mike4aco]
#24003153 - 01/12/17 04:49 AM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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I was wondering.Do you tend to see archytypes .when i had yopo i saw lots of Jaguars .Do you see the lady.I dont want her to kick my ass for all the naughty stuff i did in my past.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: dazzleship]
#24003758 - 01/12/17 11:06 AM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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dazzleship said: thanks.I was doing CWE (cold water extraction) with the mimo.I read that the effects were better than hot water extraction.Funnily enuf.This morning i put 10 grams of ACRB powder in a 500ml bottle with 400mls of mineral water with a few drops of white vinegar.I was gonna shake it a few time today,leave it over-night. Filter it through coffee filter paper tomorrow. Tomorrow i will do the evap with a fan and a wide shallow dish. Have you tried smoking the residue.If so how many mgs? Did you say there was nausea with the residue orally ? If so,i think Lemon Essential Oil may be beneficial. thats for the tip.I will give it a go. I cant really do any long cooking with vine and leaves at the moment, so this method is ideal as i can do it all in my workshop.
I've tried smoking the residue once, the residue really isn't smokeable ime.
But if there's any nausea with Mimosa or Acacia residues, imo it'd mainly be due to tannins, but there's certainly less nausea with residues compared to ingesting the actual root powder. As for Lemon EO, sure it could work perhaps, but Lemon EO can also alter/relax the experience a bit ime but if you do happen to try the Lemon EO lmk how it goes because i've only taken it wit DMT a few times, not enough to know for sure how Lemon EO might change things.
But yeah just make sure you shake the jar with the Acacia root powder pretty well so that all the goods get into the water, but it should definitely work. Good luck
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Sabnock]
#24003801 - 01/12/17 11:23 AM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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Cheers.The mix is already a mahogany red colour.i did shake it up a few times today.i have taken the LEO with mimosa tea.it really does negate the nausea at a 5 gram dose.when i have had the mimo without it i have puked.also i tend to chew on a lump of ginger root. Can you elaborate on the experience with 10 grams worth of powder ,using your method.how much rue do you use with it?
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: dazzleship]
#24003863 - 01/12/17 11:50 AM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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dazzleship said: How should i pay my respects.Do you have a ritual.Maybe i could make a little shrine and make offerings .
When I start brewing I make a point to go to everyone who will be involved. For example sake, lets say it is i, my friend r, and his friend s. So I take it to r. Let him look at the dry pieces. I tell him to reflect and think about things. But you have to focus on unfocusing. Like imagine you were late to work and someone cut you off driving. See that event, and go past it. Don't stop and think "gosh that asshole cut me off and ruined my day" instead think "I went to work and had a good day" So r and s have seen the dry bark and leaves, maybe even touched it and smelled it. They are focusing on releasing their everyday tension and being free from thought.
I go and add water and start cooking.
"Ayahuasca you are very powerful. You show me and us what needs to be seen. Not what we want to see. I respect you. I love you. You love me and will ensure that all of us have a safe trip."
Something like that. I speak to the brew quietly so not to disturb my friends who will dose. I politely ask mother ayahuasca to show what needs to be seen. I never ask for specific guidance or visuals. I ask her to forgive any mistakes I have made in preparation and ask her to take care of us.
As for archetypes myself I see snakes and butterflies and flowers. I oftentimes tell people that if they take a larger dose of something to look for me, as I will be the happy vibrant energy covered in snakes and butterflies and flowers. I usually see faceless interactions as if my life was being played back but with nameless characters (I could and have been any/all of them at once) which is really interesting as it pulls my focus to the universal viewpoint instead of that of me the individual. Lots of times I don't feel like "I" dosed aya. I feel like "we" as a group dosed something that pulled us out of third dimensional thought.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Mike4aco]
#24004039 - 01/12/17 01:06 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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The powder was soaked for 11 hours.I just strained thro a coffee filter.I will slowly vap it off and put in gel caps. Im not familiar with the ceremony but it seems the right way to proceed.I will definately show respect and gratitude. Maybe i will make a shrine to Kali.Taken from hinduism. Kala is the word for time.Time is the destroyer of all things.Did you familiar with the image of Kali riding Shivas corpse.?In her left hand is a severed head.Its a message to cut yourself away from pettiness. I made a shrine to Kali in india.just a small thing with some offerings.i said thank you for my time. Lately,I am a student of Daoism.Its impossible to articulate some of the deeper experiences i have had. Some may be cynical of ritual thing.However,I agree,its important to create the right mindset. Maybe i will do some meditation prior to consumption.Meditation is a powerful tool for personal transformation. BTw.I like your Humility.thank you.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: dazzleship]
#24004067 - 01/12/17 01:16 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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I always meditate. I like doing it with the steam in my face not too hot mind you just enough so I get a facefull of the scent of the plants and I feel their electricity in me.
A shrine is a good idea, especially since you have an idea of what to do and how to do it already. I hope you have a wonderful trip and an eye opening journey
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: dazzleship]
#24004151 - 01/12/17 01:40 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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dazzleship said: Cheers.The mix is already a mahogany red colour.i did shake it up a few times today.i have taken the LEO with mimosa tea.it really does negate the nausea at a 5 gram dose.when i have had the mimo without it i have puked.also i tend to chew on a lump of ginger root. Can you elaborate on the experience with 10 grams worth of powder ,using your method.how much rue do you use with it?
Well i haven't taken 10 grams personally, i've just made residues from 10 grams of Mimosa that i split into two 5 gram doses. Most i've taken would be like 8 to 9 grams of Mimosa or Acacia, which is too much for me, i prefer 5 to 6 grams of Mimosa or Acacia root, with 8 grams being about as far as i'd wanna go. And i usually use 4 grams of Rue seed powder or 200mgs of Rue freebased extract, but common dosage for Rue seed is 3 to 4 grams, 3 being a moderate dose with really no nausea or vomiting, and 4 grams being a high dose that can cause nausea and vomiting, or 180mgs to 200mgs of the freebase extract which is roughly equivalent i'd say to 3 to 4 grams of Rue seed. But as the Rue's reverse tolerance builds up i lower the Rue dosage bit by bit as i go along to stay within a somewhat consistent dosage range.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Sabnock]
#24004323 - 01/12/17 02:36 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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Perhaps my batch of mimo powder wasnt too potent.I really like the effects @ 5 gs its similar to a lowish dose of mushrooms.Everything becomes eye candy.Visually, theres a velvety quality which is hard to define. Daoism has taught me the importance of grounding.With practise,you can feel like a tree rooted to the ground. Also i want to get some I want to get some Black Obsidian .A powerful tool for grounding and warding off negative/evil forces.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Mike4aco]
#24004353 - 01/12/17 02:43 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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Mike4aco said: I always meditate. I like doing it with the steam in my face not too hot mind you just enough so I get a facefull of the scent of the plants and I feel their electricity in me.
A shrine is a good idea, especially since you have an idea of what to do and how to do it already. I hope you have a wonderful trip and an eye opening journey
Sometimes i do Zhan Zhuang in front of the cooker.I can keep an eye on stuff while doing standing practise.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: dazzleship]
#24004498 - 01/12/17 03:26 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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dazzleship said: Perhaps my batch of mimo powder wasnt too potent.I really like the effects @ 5 gs its similar to a lowish dose of mushrooms.Everything becomes eye candy. Visually,theres a velvety quality which is hard to define. Daoism has taught me the importance of grounding.With practise,you can feel like a tree rooted to the ground. Also i want to get some I want to get some Black Obsidian .A powerful tool for grounding and warding off negative/evil forces.
What Rue dosage have you used? I also tend to sift my Mimosa or Acacia powder to make sure there's no fibers in there. You wanna have a good dosage of Rue, and get the timing right between the Rue and Mimosa/Acacia, and you should have some pretty powerful experiences. The potency of plant materials can vary here and there though, but ime the Rue dosage has always been the same, but some Mimosa or Acacia root can be a little weaker than others. As long as you have a good Rue dosage, and time the ingestion of the Mimosa or Acacia right, then you should be able to find the dosage of Mimosa or Acacia for you and your batch of plant materials. Just try things out and see how it all goes, it's trial and error but if you keep at it you'll find the right dosages, timing, and plants that work for you.
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The Mycologist said: What's up everyone? I was just listening to a documentary on ayahuasca ceremonies and am now convinced that they are just all around not the best idea. The set and setting are so horrible, vomiting and gagging around a bunch of strangers while you listen to speech that you don't understand.
I understand that bad trips bring insights but I cant really get behind this.
Whats your take?
P.S. Here is the link
The people in this video trip 5 nights in a row....I can't imagine that...how exhausted I would be after it was over.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Sabnock]
#24004607 - 01/12/17 04:00 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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What is your timing between rue ingestion and mimosa/acacia ingestion? I think I've read about 45 minutes to an hour?
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Amanita86]
#24004621 - 01/12/17 04:05 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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No matter what trip I'm having before I start I sage the room I'm in all around and speak things for protection guidance and the like. Often have some gems or crystals around and a pad for any revelations haha. Selection of music, though after reading that other thread I'm hunting for music at both 432hz and 528hz for next time. Though it won't be ayah.
Five nights in a row! No thanks I looked into some of these holidays where you try ayah, San Pedro, shrooms etc and you trip three times in the week, and I can't imagine that must be tiring so that put me off those. Once a month can be plenty for me haha.
When I read up on dosing in two halves I decided to leave up to one hour between them. But not longer. Just off different things I read.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Amanita86]
#24004650 - 01/12/17 04:14 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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Amanita86 said: What is your timing between rue ingestion and mimosa/acacia ingestion? I think I've read about 45 minutes to an hour?
With Rue and Mimosa or Acacia capsules, usually 30 minutes apart. Back when i was making egg white cleansed Mimosa or Acacia teas though, i'd take my Rue capsules and wait about an hour to drink the tea, but 45 minutes is perhaps better for drinking Mimosa or Acacia tea after taking Rue seed or extract in capsules, but for Mimosa or Acacia capsules you wanna do 30 minutes.
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Thayendanegea said: The people in this video trip 5 nights in a row....I can't imagine that...how exhausted I would be after it was over.
I've taken Rue and Mimosa or Acacia quite frequently/regularly before, even nightly, i quite love the fact that you can take this stuff as much/as long as you want to, there's literally no tolerance to it that i've noticed. As for feeling exhausted, i've actually usually felt better after, not exhausted at all that i can remember.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Sabnock]
#24004695 - 01/12/17 04:29 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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What about this, I read before that you aren't supposed to use metal pots. Something about it neutralizing the actives. When I've seen videos of 'natives' making it they usually have metal pots over a fire though.
Have you used standard metal pots? Have you noticed any difference in potency between metal pots, ones with a lining or glass? I can't think of a reason why metal would alter anythng but I'm not sure how those chemicals react so it wouldn't surprise me either way.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Amanita86]
#24004967 - 01/12/17 05:52 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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Amanita86 said: What about this, I read before that you aren't supposed to use metal pots. Something about it neutralizing the actives. When I've seen videos of 'natives' making it they usually have metal pots over a fire though.
Have you used standard metal pots? Have you noticed any difference in potency between metal pots, ones with a lining or glass? I can't think of a reason why metal would alter anythng but I'm not sure how those chemicals react so it wouldn't surprise me either way.
I've used metal/stainless steel pots and haven't had any issue. I think it's mainly something like aluminum pots you don't wanna use, if i remember correctly.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Sabnock]
#24005508 - 01/12/17 08:38 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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Why not aluminum? I'm just curious on what reaction is going on in there that would change things up.
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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Amanita86]
#24005614 - 01/12/17 09:18 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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Amanita86 said: Why not aluminum? I'm just curious on what reaction is going on in there that would change things up.
I'm not sure, might be able to find out more on the Nexus or Ayahuasca forums though. But i think the main thing for me about aluminum would probably be a possibility of it leeching into the brews, not sure if that happens though.
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