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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: dazzleship]
    #24000904 - 01/11/17 11:34 AM (7 years, 19 days ago)

If you go solo be sure to pay your respects to lady aya. And if you see me while in the zone say hi. Ill be the one covered with snakes and butterflies and lotus flowers. It would be nice if you did see me lol ive had a few people tell me they saw a real nice entity with snakes and butterflies and flowers and it felt like it was connected to me (my physical being) and that it helped them through. I tend to brew a little more than needed for each person and have them stop themselves. Its really easy to do too. Just listen to your inner dialogue and you will take exactly what is needed for you at that time in your life


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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Mike4aco] * 1
    #24000915 - 01/11/17 11:38 AM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Spellbound I made cactus soup added a little sugar and some basil and it was wonderful. Tasted so go i was sad when it was gone.

Aya is easiest if you dose the harmalas then wait for the heavy stomach and dose the chacruna or acacia or whatever you choose with dmt. I use a blend of chacruna and chaliponga, but the plant told me what to use and how much. I literally stand in front of the stove with bags of herbs and talk to them and put a few scoops in until they say that's plenty of me! I end up with 10 to 15 g chaliponga and 30 to 40 g of chacruna per person with around 50 g Caapi. Some apple juices from concentrate helps the taste immensely.  And a bit if vinegar to help the solubility


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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Mike4aco]
    #24000968 - 01/11/17 11:55 AM (7 years, 19 days ago)

If you want an ayahausca trip w/o the purge, or at least minimize it, you could make 'pharmahausca' (sp?). Extract your dmt, then use an maoi that doesn't come with nausea.


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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Spellbound]
    #24001002 - 01/11/17 12:06 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Likewise.My wife is off work with a bad back.when shes gone back.i plan to go deep.I read that small doses of vine is good for depression.
I think its good to start low and build up over a period of time.
Hawaiian baby woodrose is really nice but theres a tolerance.With harmala and Dmt there is none-so the getting-to-know-you-period can be quite brief.Ive been on daily doses for a while ,im getting ready for something......sometime,


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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Mike4aco]
    #24001131 - 01/11/17 01:02 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Thats very interesting.I feel drawn to this-i feel its my destiny.I stopped working three years ago.I suffered chronic pain,depression dramatic wieght loss.Looking back.I realise its all part of the journey.4 years ago i was a beer monster.I was insensitive to everything.When i gave up booze i assumed my life would get better.However,i succumbed to a multitude of wear and tear injuries.My life turned to shit-i didnt know what to do.then after 3 years of pain etc,i started to do Yoga nidra meditation shortly after i started Qigong.
What started as an exercise to control pain soon became a spiritual journey.
I realised i spent all my adult life doing it all wrong.What a revelation!
Thanks to all.the input is great.I feel less alone.Certainly,i feel the need to reach out to people who move with the spirits.
  I will look out for thee when i journey.I wonder what manifestation i will assume.I would be nice to be female maybe.Im a sculptor ,most of my pieces
are of spirit entities.Usualy Gaia but sometimes mushroom spirits .I wonder what awaits on the other side.


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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Spellbound]
    #24001150 - 01/11/17 01:14 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

You can negate the nausea when using ACRB and mimo by adding egg white to the b rew to absorb the tannins.Rue extract dont cause me nausea on its own .Lemon essential oil works well too.when  have had it with lowish doses of mimo i have no nausea at all.
BTW .i used some chopped garlic with my HBW seeds.Nausea free LSA is very very nice.Add some cinnamon essential oil and and you got an acid-like experience that is (imo)better than acid.


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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: dazzleship]
    #24001186 - 01/11/17 01:30 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

There is no tolerance to ayahausca? I doubt that. There's no reason there should not be.


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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: dazzleship]
    #24001201 - 01/11/17 01:35 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Thanks Mike that's interesting. I likely bought too much caapi, there's 1kg there lol,and I've no idea how long it's good for :facepalm: hahaha. Lesser amounts of the leaves though.

I don't mind the purge, I mean yh I dread that it will come, but if I'm doing ayah and I need cleansing during, I'd rather have the full thing and be cleansed if you know what I mean, could try pharma before ayah I do have a jar full of Syrian rue here also. Maybe start low and work up.

Hey yh I too realised some years ago also I've been on the wrong path, isn't it wonderful to come back onto what feels like the right one :laugh:


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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: krypto2000] * 1
    #24001279 - 01/11/17 01:59 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

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There is no tolerance to ayahausca? I doubt that. There's no reason there should not be.





Oral DMT has no tolerance, and Harmalas have a reverse tolerance, so the DMT dosage stays the same and the Harmalas just get stronger the more you take them so you can back the dosage down bit by bit as you go along, and as the Harmalas reverse tolerance builds up, side-effects like nausea, vomiting, body load, motor function impairment, etc, goes away and the Rue cleans up quite well, allowing you to handle stronger/heavier Harmala dosages more easily.

You can literally take Aya as much/often/frequently as you like and the magic stays.

I've actually been taking the Rue seed daily for 8 months or so now, all i need right now is one capsule of like 600 to 800mgs of Rue seed powder for a really strong Rue dose. I have to take a few days off here and there to let the reverse tolerance back off a bit so that the dosage lowers a bit, but so far it's actually been useful as an anti-depressant.

Btw, i've also worked with Rue freebase extract, and purified Harmalas, and if you take enough of the extract, you will no doubt still vomit, unless the reverse tolerance is built up enough that the side-effects go away.

Also, there's Moclobemide, which is a pharmaceutical RIMA (reversible inhibitor of MAO-A) and unlike the Harmalas it doesn't cause any nausea or vomiting. So any nausea or vomiting one might get from taking Mimosa or Acacia with it, most likely would come from the tannins, which an egg white cleanse while brewing can help with, but if not done properly, the egg white cleanse can reduce potency. Which is why i now stick with Mimosa or Acacia residues that i encapsulate, they still contain a bit of tannins but it's better than ingesting the actual root powder itself like i used to, or losing potency trying to clean up teas. I think capsules work better than teas anyways.


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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Sabnock]
    #24001331 - 01/11/17 02:13 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Doing some research it seems you're right. I wonder why though? I can understand not gaining a tolerance to harmala, but not dmt. DMT has the same mechanism of action as other psychedelics, psilocin/mushrooms being the most similar, the only difference is that it's rapidly metabolized which is why we vape it or take it with an maoi. I wonder if you were to take mushrooms and rue if you would not acquire a tolerance either.


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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Sabnock]
    #24001483 - 01/11/17 03:02 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Sounds good.I find s.rue extract quite user friendly.I had 450 mls of 10x extract in 150ml doses over a few hours recently.the effects were very relaxing.I find its a nice substance in its own right.I also bung down a strong passion flower tablet sometimes on top,also a RIMA ,i believe.


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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Sabnock]
    #24001498 - 01/11/17 03:07 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

I like the idea of encapsulating the residue.how do you get residue.whats your method?


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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: krypto2000]
    #24001502 - 01/11/17 03:11 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Probably has to do with its relationship to regular brain chemistry.  I imagine you cant gain a tolerance to serotonin either.


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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: The Mycologist] * 1
    #24001618 - 01/11/17 03:56 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

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Probably has to do with its relationship to regular brain chemistry.  I imagine you cant gain a tolerance to serotonin either.




I don't see why not. MDMA releases serotonin and as a result your 5ht receptors downregulate. SSRI's inhibit the reuptake and again as a result 5ht receptors downregulate. Amphetamines release 5ht, dopamine, and norepinephrine as well as inhibit the reuptake to varying degrees (release and reuptake inhibition is dependant upon the amphetamine). All receptors involved downregulate in response. The drugs are not exciting the receptors, they merely facilitate the endogenous hormones to excite them, and in turn we gain a tolerance from over excitement.


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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: dazzleship]
    #24001746 - 01/11/17 04:56 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

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I like the idea of encapsulating the residue.how do you get residue.whats your method?




I weigh out a dose of Mimosa or Acacia root powder, put it into a jar with 300 to 400mls or so of room temp bottled water, put the lid on and shake it well periodically throughout the day and let it sit overnight. The next day filter the liquid through a coffee filter, pour the liquid into a dish in front of a fan so that it evaporates to a residue, then scrape up the residue and encapsulate it. I also use a screw driver drill bit thing to pack the residue powder or Rue seed powder into capsules. And it might not be necessary to let the Mimosa or Acacia root and water sit overnight, if i remember correctly i only needed like 6 hours or so when i first started out, but i just let it sit overnight, also it helps the root powder stick to the bottom of the jar so that i can pour the liquid off more easily. Doing it this way i've been able to make residues from up to 10 grams of Mimosa or Acacia root powder.


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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: krypto2000]
    #24001749 - 01/11/17 04:58 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

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Doing some research it seems you're right. I wonder why though? I can understand not gaining a tolerance to harmala, but not dmt. DMT has the same mechanism of action as other psychedelics, psilocin/mushrooms being the most similar, the only difference is that it's rapidly metabolized which is why we vape it or take it with an maoi. I wonder if you were to take mushrooms and rue if you would not acquire a tolerance either.





I had that thought too before, but apparently people have tried it out and tolerance to Shrooms still happens even with Rue, as far as i know, but i haven't taken Shrooms with Rue but a few times so if i ever do have an abundance of Shrooms i'd probably try it out just to see. I tried taking 4-ACO-DMT with Rue to see if it'd gain a tolerance but the tolerance was still there and ended up wasting the rest of my 4-ACO.

But as for why DMT doesn't have a tolerance, i'm not sure, but i'm glad it doesn't because it's one of the few things people can take as much as they want of and use it as often as they'd like and the magic still remains.


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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: krypto2000]
    #24001960 - 01/11/17 06:19 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Hmm, I'm not too knowledgeable about those kind of things but that makes sense. So what does DMT do differently that makes it not build a tolerance?


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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: The Mycologist] * 1
    #24002205 - 01/11/17 07:40 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

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Hmm, I'm not too knowledgeable about those kind of things but that makes sense. So what does DMT do differently that makes it not build a tolerance?




I'm not sure, but perhaps it's due to it being an endogenous compound. I know NMT (another endogenous compound) also doesn't seem to have a tolerance, as i've taken Acacia Confusa many times quite regularly and never noticed a tolerance to it either. I wonder if 5-MEO-DMT and Bufotenin are the same way, since they're also said to be endogenous. I know i've taken Melatonin nightly for years before, and always took the same dosage, never gained a tolerance to that either.


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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Spellbound]
    #24002834 - 01/12/17 12:14 AM (7 years, 18 days ago)

The thing is, the purpose of the ceremony is not just to trip.

Sure, in terms of a regular western person's psychedelic experience, the set and setting may be weird, but for the people that developed these ceremonies, it was not alien at all. The shaman who lead the ceremonies are supposed to have had years of training and experience doing that work for themselves and their community.

The purpose for the ceremony is for healing and spiritual growth. The shaman were the respected people from an area who were chosen to do that work for their people. It may seem like a bad idea for a westerner, and that is becuase it wasn't originally meant for us.

As with all therapy, you have to find what works for you, the right therapist, and a comfortable atmosphere in which to do your healing. If you are making that journey, obviously your idea of appropriate set and setting is a bit removed from just chilling at home alone. It's all just perspective.


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Re: Ayahuasca Ceremony=Disaster? [Re: Sabnock]
    #24003044 - 01/12/17 02:44 AM (7 years, 18 days ago)

thanks.I was doing CWE (cold water extraction) with the mimo.I read that the effects were better than hot water extraction.Funnily enuf.This morning i put 10 grams of ACRB powder in a 500ml bottle with 400mls of mineral water with a few drops of white vinegar.I was gonna shake it a few time today,leave it over-night.
Filter it through coffee filter paper tomorrow.
Tomorrow i will do the evap with a fan and a wide shallow dish.
Have you tried smoking the residue.If so how many mgs?
Did you say there was nausea with the residue orally ?
If so,i think Lemon Essential Oil may be beneficial. thats for the tip.I will give it a go.
I cant really do any long cooking with vine and leaves at the moment, so this method is ideal as i can do it all in my workshop.


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