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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: jivangilad]
    #24659161 - 09/25/17 03:03 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

if you want to do 1 quart spawning ...id highly recommend..

SHOEBOXES


also if you are taming out you need to clean your inoculate. check out CBKs other write-up mang


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: mushboy]
    #24659188 - 09/25/17 03:13 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Bucket tek could prolly do you 5 shoeboxes with a quart of spawn each


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: ComebackKid]
    #24659799 - 09/25/17 07:20 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: Enkidu]
    #24704293 - 10/12/17 09:00 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

This is an older thread but there is so much  good info! I'm using Bodhi's unmodified mono tek and with regards to RH vs FAE I'm going to follow these three steps from now on as a rule of thumb:

1. Colonization/consolidation-lid closed
2. Beginning of fruiting-lid flipped upside down to slightly increase FAE
3. Once pinset is evenly distributed-rotate lid 90 degrees/remove lid entirely

Having the lid off with a de-humidifier adjacent to my room makes it a pita to mist(usually at least once every 1-2 hours) but I definitely want more FAE and apparently the mature fruits can handle less RH. Thanks so much!  :biggrin:


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: travishibachi]
    #24707361 - 10/13/17 02:29 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup:
A dense pinset will create it's own microclimate which will definitely help but as long as you don't mind misting that often go for it! More FAE the better


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: ComebackKid] * 2
    #24710303 - 10/14/17 06:44 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you to CBK et al!!!

Read through all the posts and wanted to try and distill into one spot the crux of the misting/hydration portion of this TEK (lmk ASAP of any errors and omissions):

1. Let mist gently fall down from far far away like ethereal dew from the astral plane.
2. Maintain beads of moisture constantly during colonization. Puddles=too much misting.
3. Initiate fruiting by letting dry between mists. (Do not let surface dry out which could kill myc) I take this to mean that seeing no droplets=dry. Letting the surface myc and the surface substrate completely dry out is bad.
4. Increase FAE once pins are in. (Bodhisatta stops misting once pins are  1" older post, not sure if current)
5. Avoid droplets on larger shrooms: can lead to bacterial contamination    and aborts.
6. If droplets do not dry up that is ok, stop misting until they do.
7. Proper hydration of substrate prior to mixing with spawn, and using a  large tub and having at least 3" depth.

Here are what I found to be the most informative quotes:

ComebackKid

Surface Moisture

While your waiting for your pinset to fill out you want to see beads of moisture covering the entire surface of your substrate.

If/when your substrate starts to dry, give it a generous misting.
Mist from above your tub, letting the mist gently fall to the surface of your sub. It will bead up all on its own.
You want to avoid pooling of water on the surface!

When to Increase Fresh Air Exchange:

After your pinset has filled in you should increase FAE by opening up your poly or even cracking the lid!

It's benificial for the pinset to have beads of moisture on the sub surface during its development. You will notice as the pins grow they use up the water supplied by the beads.


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Droplets on the surface are normal during colonization but you want those droplets to dry up when you starting fruiting to help trigger pinning and to prevent bacterial blotching.

No but you do have quite a few aborts there. See how some of those pins have slimy caps? That's from being in contact with those water droplets. Those pins could eventually abort from the bacteria.

In a monotub the mycelium can store more than enough water for the entire flush. No need to keep it saturated the whole time.


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I like to have a good amount of surface moisture while waiting for the pins to set up. Whether you use a mister, a casing or a little less passive FAE to accomplish this, once the pins are in you definitely want the fae dialed up to promote healthy development.

Evaporation from the surface is a pinning trigger. Drying out causes death of the substrate. As the evaporation occurs you need to ensure the surface is still moist. With bulk often the heat produced by the sub can produce more condensation to be evaporated. If the FAE is too high then the surface can indeed dry out too much.

One of the reasons cakes are a great way to learn is because they stress the principle that we only mist when water from the previous mist has dissipated. But we need to ensure we mist enough so the cakes do not dry out.

With bulk it's no different except that much of our RH is supplied by the substrate rather than a chamber. But the cycle is the same.

Don't even worry about fanning a mono. The heat from the substrate cycles the air.

If it's dry mist it. You can then dial it in for less FAE but always mist if it appears to be drying out.

responding to post about droplets never drying up:
As long as they aren't pooling it's fine.

On Bod's Unmodified Tub TEK I brought up "Bottom Watering" PW's post
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=24710777&page=0&vc=1#24710777
You don't bottom water unless you suspect the bulk will not be able to supply the pinset with enough water. If I am thinking I have potential to achieve in excess of 2500 wet grams first flush, I will consider bottom watering. At that point the water isn't added until the pinset is in and the substrate pulls away.

If you are not looking at pulling that much first flush and your pinset is in, bottom watering is going to hurt the yield.


Mad Season (Trusted Cultivator)

Actually the constant cycling of drying to damp from proper misting is a massive pinning trigger IME.

Yep. And tbh if the surface dries out, it seems to just dry out at least once a day. Even if you stuff it tight AF. Maybe it's just my climate? :shrug: but it makes sense to me that if the sub lost too much water to hold the humidity to maintain surface hydration, it needs to be replaced regularly through misting.

The trick is learning how much to mist. Not too much or not too little, it's a Goldilocks zone. I'd say it took me 6+ months of misting substrates every day before I could confidently mist properly every time.

AlCapone2k

I also experienced, that it's easier to Maintain a good Surface moisture, when you don't fruit at spawning.

Thedillestpickle

It seems you wait until fully colonized, then you "fruit" as in removing tape and replacing with double layered micropore.  And then you wait for as long as it takes until you have a nice pinset, misting if needed to achieve nice beads of moisture.  Once you have the pinset in you increase FAE even more by removing one layer of micropore from the bottom holes and completely removing all the micropore from the top holes.

(I included some pearls from Bodhisatta (Trusted Cultivator) because I have been using his unmodified tub tek, which was referenced on this thread by Travishibachi on page 9)
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22337800/fpart/1/vc/1


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: beancake]
    #24714664 - 10/16/17 04:16 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Well the misting has proven to be challenging for me. I started out with nice 'fluffy' surface and then it sort of 'melted' and flattened out. I assume from over misting. Have had some issues with bacteria and yellowing, and some green spots. That I treated with iodine and in one tub cut out afterwards. I posted about that in the Contamination forum:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24700495/fpart/1/vc/1

So now that my surface is flattened I do not really get any beading of water. Times when I try misting whenever I cannot detect water (glistening, beads, dew) I end up getting yelllow liquid, which I take as having over misted leading to a bacterial attack. So not sure how to judge whether to mist or not. After I do mist not able to detect moisture shortly after (20-30 minutes need to look hard to see any sign of external moisture). I am using Bod's Unmodified Tub and will look 'dry' even if I am keeping the upside down lid all the way closed. (My first grow ever and I know I fucked it up)







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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: beancake]
    #24715457 - 10/16/17 09:41 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

You didn't really fuck it up too bad still looks like you're going to get a decent flush.

Honestly, I did the same thing you did the other week. Usually happens from extreme conditions. Too dry and then too wet.

My mistake happened when I forgot to put the lid on a tub for a couple days and then over compensated with misting later.
Still got a decent yield but pinset could have been better :shrug:

Congrats on your first grow btw! Just keep making mental notes on whats working for you and tweak your method a tiny bit each time.


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: ComebackKid]
    #24715495 - 10/16/17 09:59 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks CBK! (and oops on your lid!)

Last week I was freaking thinking I would lose it all. But I'm stoked that I have actually done it! I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't insinuating that Bod's TEK had anything to do with my issues.

So now it almost seems the surface is absorbing the mists. Any thoughts should I do more frequent but light mists, or just mist a time or two a day and see how it goes?


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: beancake]
    #24715508 - 10/16/17 10:05 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

You should still be able to tell if it's dry or not. Just mist if it's starting looking a bit dry


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: ComebackKid]
    #24715516 - 10/16/17 10:07 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for condensing that overview into a single post, beancake :cheers:


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: pixelpopper]
    #24715544 - 10/16/17 10:24 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Hey PP you are welcome! As corrections, modifications, and new info becomes available I will try to keep it updated.  I also did the something similar for Bod's Unmodified Mono Tub TEK

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22337800/page/1/fpart/49#22337800

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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: beancake]
    #24737067 - 10/25/17 04:21 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

:takingnotes:

Tagging this for later.  Good read, thank you.


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: nubgrower]
    #24781141 - 11/13/17 06:49 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

CBK, so I should tape up the holes completely at spawn, then switch to the MP tape once I'm ready to fruit?

I was thinking just MP from the start, but that is riskier for drying out too much?


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: nubgrower]
    #24781226 - 11/13/17 07:26 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Lots of people just put micropore tape right at spawn with great success.
I even switched to fruiting at spawn myself just out of pure laziness. I found that my pinsets aren't as full but my yields are roughly the same this way.

That said I would definitely recommend taping the holes up now and fruiting later.
Especially if this is your first time doing bulk.


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: ComebackKid]
    #24781714 - 11/14/17 03:24 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: nubgrower]
    #24792001 - 11/18/17 04:12 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

This afternoon is 5 days. looks like its getting close already? I will probably wait until Tuesday at least to put in fruiting conditions tho.  what do you think?



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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: nubgrower]
    #24807257 - 11/26/17 10:10 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I'm about to fruit a 64qt tub and am debating using polyfill or micropore tape. I have only ever used polyfill. I'll have to give this a try on one.


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: nubgrower]
    #24808624 - 11/26/17 09:32 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

You'll love micropore :thumbup:
Poly is such a fickle bitch

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This afternoon is 5 days. looks like its getting close already? I will probably wait until Tuesday at least to put in fruiting conditions tho.  what do you think?






Just saw this now
How did she go?


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: ComebackKid]
    #24808920 - 11/27/17 04:16 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I put to fruiting 7 days ago, and pins started about 4 days ago,
I increased FAE 2 days ago (one layer of micropore),

The pinset is not as stellar as some, but it is my first attempt and MS genetics.

There are a shit tonne of sidepins also, oh well.

Hopefully there are not a lot of aborts here but I kind of think there are.... :



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