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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: TommyJames99] 1
#26585180 - 04/07/20 10:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Everything is dry, less air more mist!
It’s all about keeping humidity up.
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: TommyJames99] 1
#26585228 - 04/07/20 10:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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TommyJames99 said: Any pointers for a new guy? It’s been 14 days

Way too dry. I suspect that space heater had something todo with it.
You want the surface like the first post in this thread. Glistening with moisture.
Evaporation of surface moisture triggers pinning.
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: staytrippy420] 1
#26585876 - 04/08/20 08:51 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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The space heater is being utilized to control the temp. My basement, which is the only location available is pretty cold. Going to keep the lid on (not flipped) and mist.
Or
Would flipping the lid and killing the heater during the (lighting on) hours help with GE/Evaporation to possibly provoke pinning?
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: TommyJames99] 1
#26585914 - 04/08/20 09:11 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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It might not even be salvageable if the mycelium dries out too much it can die.
Unless your going to monitor it and mist religiously it’s going to cause problems.
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: staytrippy420] 1
#26585923 - 04/08/20 09:14 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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My very first grow I let my surface dry so bad the myc died, but once I fixed conditions new myc sprouted all over the old dry stuff.
Mushrooms are so weird.
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: A.k.a] 1
#26644025 - 05/02/20 03:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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How does one selectively control fanning when they say 'increase fanning' / 'decrease fanning'? I mean with misting I'd understand to simply spray more often / less often. Do I blow a fan closer towards the tub (but not at it)? Or increase fan speed? Or open the tub more often and inhale all the warm air through my mouth? (or to use an old dirty magazine to wave air)
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: biax] 1
#26644046 - 05/02/20 03:42 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Usually the term fanning is referring to the old school method of taking the lid off your tub and waving it above the open tub in a fanning motion. Creates air flow and helps evaporation.
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: staytrippy420] 1
#26644085 - 05/02/20 04:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Usually, you should increase FAE (fresh air exchange), not fanning.
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: poisoned] 1
#26666484 - 05/12/20 12:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Good stuff.
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: ComebackKid] 1
#26667699 - 05/12/20 11:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks! This is great.
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: ComebackKid] 1
#26669546 - 05/13/20 10:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thank You
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: ComebackKid] 1
#26681768 - 05/19/20 07:45 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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really helpful. thanks
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: poisoned] 1
#26689394 - 05/22/20 11:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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poisoned said: Usually, you should increase FAE (fresh air exchange), not fanning.
Im quite positive i was Fanning excessively for years, and always getting small fruits. The humidity was always so low in the tubs due to to much fanning.
Now I try not to even open them once until harvest and i beleive the high humidity promotes taller fruits.
I may have fixed me several year long small fruit first flush issue by not fanning .
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: Luminous7] 1
#26696788 - 05/26/20 11:01 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks man,
Will build a SGFC this week. This bag is really not ideal as i can't inspect it closely so thanks for this idea
Do you think it is possible that more fruit will come before dunking it again if i change the condition?
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: ComebackKid] 1
#26841209 - 07/23/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Awesome write up and thread. One question though. You mention waiting for the substrate to colonize with duct tape or similar over the holes. Are you misting at all during this or just waiting until you start fruiting to mist?
I spawned my tub on monday and while there is condensation on the walls I dont see any small droplets on the substrate.
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: ComebackKid] 1
#26841380 - 07/23/20 07:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: Niceguy42] 1
#26841403 - 07/23/20 07:42 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Niceguy42 said: Awesome write up and thread. One question though. You mention waiting for the substrate to colonize with duct tape or similar over the holes. Are you misting at all during this or just waiting until you start fruiting to mist?
I spawned my tub on monday and while there is condensation on the walls I dont see any small droplets on the substrate.

IME it takes a little time for the heat to build up enough to see real condensation to form. Insane mike did some testing way back with different monotub configurations, he got pretty deep down the rabbit hole. One of the things he discovered was that the temp seemed to rise quickly when more O2 was introduced and CO2 allowed to exhaust off. He did a lot of different things, was a pretty good round of experiments. I felt like not enough people were paying attention.
Anyways I started to introduce fruiting conditions at spawning and immediately noticed higher temps in the tubs during the spawn run. It then seemed to actually help the condensation form better in the long run. All I would say is be smart and if things are noticeably dry during the spawn run you need to mist it ASAP and then get shit dialed in better.
If that were my tub I’d rip that duct tape off, get some micropore on, hit the surface with a super gentle mist and keep an eye on it.
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: Pastywhyte] 1
#26841518 - 07/23/20 08:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said:
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Niceguy42 said: Awesome write up and thread. One question though. You mention waiting for the substrate to colonize with duct tape or similar over the holes. Are you misting at all during this or just waiting until you start fruiting to mist?
I spawned my tub on monday and while there is condensation on the walls I dont see any small droplets on the substrate.

IME it takes a little time for the heat to build up enough to see real condensation to form. Insane mike did some testing way back with different monotub configurations, he got pretty deep down the rabbit hole. One of the things he discovered was that the temp seemed to rise quickly when more O2 was introduced and CO2 allowed to exhaust off. He did a lot of different things, was a pretty good round of experiments. I felt like not enough people were paying attention.
Anyways I started to introduce fruiting conditions at spawning and immediately noticed higher temps in the tubs during the spawn run. It then seemed to actually help the condensation form better in the long run. All I would say is be smart and if things are noticeably dry during the spawn run you need to mist it ASAP and then get shit dialed in better.
If that were my tub I’d rip that duct tape off, get some micropore on, hit the surface with a super gentle mist and keep an eye on it.
Thank you. That’s exactly what I needed to hear and makes perfect sense. I’ve been following franks 12 step but stumbled upon this thread and your micro pore thread and like that process a lot better than using Polyfil and intend to follow it. It also seems that most of the newer threads like you mentioned are forgoing the colonization and going right into fruiting.
I went ahead and added the CVG casing layer as I found out I did a crap job of leveling the original substrate and it was close to 100% colonized. Would you still remove the duct tape now or wait until the casing became partially colonized?
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: ComebackKid] 1
#27050067 - 11/21/20 08:45 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lovin this ultrafine mist action
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: ComebackKid] 1
#27077964 - 12/07/20 10:36 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey man nice write up ! I’m kind of a noobie on my first run and I am using this tek ! On feb 14(8 days after spawn ) when you put it into fruiting how did you introduce FAE??? Did you take off the red tape and replaced it with mp tape ? I saw you took the tapes out when the Pins came in ! So what did u do differently when you were introducing it to fruiting ?? And lastly can I just leave the MP tape on from colonization to fruiting ? Basically put in fruiting conditions from the very start ?
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