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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: GteachThe] 2
#26054186 - 06/15/19 02:55 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: van hatton]
#26156796 - 08/28/19 09:46 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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I feel like an idiot replying to an old thread, but I’m wondering if a consensus was reached in terms of surface moisture during/after pinning. Early in the thread it was suggested that the size/number of beads of water should decrease during and after pinning to reduce the likelihood of bacterial growth/staining/aborts. That seems reasonable, but the pictures throughout the thread seem to show rather saturated top layers. I feel like I am misunderstanding something, and any insight would be appreciated.
My apologies if I have made a faux pas.
Edited by KROM (08/28/19 09:47 AM)
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: KROM]
#26161062 - 08/30/19 04:02 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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My subs usually have dense beads of moisture right up until harvest. Bacteria is not something I really worry about tbh
Evaporation is a pinning trigger and that is why some people like to let the beads evaporate and then re mist but I havent personally found that to be nessisary with any of my grows and I still get heavy pinsets/ canopies either way.
The main point is basically just to make sure your substrate never dries out completely. Whether that means misting more or dialing your tub in a way that you can set and forget
Edit: check out the middle pic in my signature. You can see that even though the fruits are maturing you can still see large beads of moisture on the sub surface off to the left. Lots of pins
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: ComebackKid]
#26161085 - 08/30/19 04:18 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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CK has spoken.
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: Crispykoot]
#26161105 - 08/30/19 04:34 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Crispykoot said: CK has spoken.
CK is you bro  I still find some time to lurk the cult threads here and there hahaha Man I'm praying my cultures survive. They've been cooped up for moooooonths in multiple different fridges stored willy nilly on no pour plates Had no time to slant anything and didnt think it would take sooooooo damn long to pull them out again. Hoping to get back to the ol hobby again in September! Pray for me
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: ComebackKid]
#26161125 - 08/30/19 04:44 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: ComebackKid]
#26166626 - 09/03/19 10:07 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thank you very much for your reply. I appreciate you taking the time to clarify things for me and show me an example.
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: KROM]
#26174801 - 09/07/19 08:10 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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got one for y'all. I have beads like this all over my surface. They're small, but I like them, okay? A lot of the beading I've seen in this thread is a bit more dense. Thoughts?
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: mouseroom]
#26174804 - 09/07/19 08:14 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Surface moisture will develop more heavily once fully colonized: right now the majority of it is being resorted by the uncolonized portions of the surface... judging by the color in the photo, moisture levels look about right, maybe a little heavy IMO... I like em dry though, and feel as though excess moisture is the root of most issues... if say give it another 3-4 days and see what youre dealing with before misting and risking oversaturation... remember that evaporation is a pinning trigger and can not occur if you're being anal about the size and frequency of the water droplets... let them develop, nearly evaporate completely before LIGHTLY misting to return surface moisture only... you're not dehydrating the substrate, which can be done with a short dunk or heavy misting between flushes...
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: Caps McGee]
#26174816 - 09/07/19 08:26 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Right on, right on. Thanks for the chiming in. I was thinking tonight we'd party with the lids off, I'll skip the mist prior to the festivities
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: mouseroom]
#26174836 - 09/07/19 08:39 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
mouseroom said:
got one for y'all. I have beads like this all over my surface. They're small, but I like them, okay? A lot of the beading I've seen in this thread is a bit more dense. Thoughts?

Looks great. I would leave it be
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: ComebackKid]
#26175105 - 09/08/19 12:20 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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You guys are right, I should chill out and let things progress. I'm finding it so hard to curb my cultivation obsession these days. For me it's getting more fun the older I get. 
This thread was helpful for me, so I'll update at the next milestone.
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: mouseroom]
#26254880 - 10/15/19 08:35 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Using this frequently to keep my first boxes on point! Thanks for this awesome contribution!
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: Stampy]
#26291535 - 11/01/19 09:41 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thank you I needed this tek/thread very much! Taught me to be patient and let the beads of moisture form on their own first~
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: lilmyco]
#26294346 - 11/02/19 02:42 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey guys I just read this whole thread it’s been really helpful. So I’ve been doing my first grow in a dub shoebox setup. I felt like I had a good handle on maintaining moisture during colonization but I cased it and now I’m not so sure.
I’m also clueless as to the stages ie knotting and primordia so any help identifying where I’m st with that and moisture would be much appreciated.


I got faked out and thought I had pins in the middle there but it’s just wbs
Edited by A.k.a (11/02/19 02:54 PM)
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: ComebackKid]
#26295589 - 11/03/19 06:30 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thought I subd this already...
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: YogiBear]
#26295645 - 11/03/19 07:18 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your casing looks far too wet.
I suggest looking at what field capacity test is.
Once your casing is mixed. Grab a handful of casing and squeeze it between your hand. If a drop of water comes out it is Field capacity. If it’s a heavy flow of water you have too much water. Then you would add vermiculite or squeeze out excess water accordingly. If you squeeze and no water comes out, add a little more water to get to field capacity. Make sure to record the amount of water you put in, so that next time you can use that volume to have more of a recipe for what casing you are using.
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: eatyualive]
#26295705 - 11/03/19 07:54 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thank you. The casing was jiffy mix I put in a jar then mixed in some water and pcd it. When it was done and cooled I squeezed it out to field capacity and sprinkled on top of the sub. I live in a dry climate the humidity in the room reads 16% but stays at 99 in the box but I’ve been a little worried about it drying out.
At this point should I be paying more attention to how wet the casing is or the myc? It’s gotten more grown in already just basically overnight.


This was a few mins after fanning then misting a little bit. I should ease up on the water until it dries out some?
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: A.k.a] 1
#26306563 - 11/08/19 06:02 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Less is more. Quit tinkering with it so much, see what happens, take notes, and try a different approach next time.
The beautiful thing about monotub is they (should) require very little maintenance. No fanning and minimal to no misting.
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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: ComebackKid]
#26359794 - 12/03/19 06:54 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey Guys,
First off CBK you're the man! This thread has taught me alot. I have 3 shoeboxes of PF tht I cased 1/4 inch after they were fully colonized and then let continue colonizing for a couple more days. I now have them under a 6500k light on a 12/12 schedule. I'm allowing minimal FAE with two layers of micropore tape hoping to see pins before I let more air in. I have some pics, these have been in semi-fruiting conditions for 5 days and i hadn't misted them in two days. I did mist after the pics were taken. Any and all advice appreciated!


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