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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: ComebackKid]
    #24000796 - 01/11/17 12:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you very much.

But now i am a Bit confused, since it's also Stated in this Thread, that a drying out surface is a pinning trigger or is it meint when the pinning has already started?


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: AlCapone2k] * 3
    #24000820 - 01/11/17 01:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Evaporation from the surface is a pinning trigger. Drying out causes death of the substrate. As the evaporation occurs you need to ensure the surface is still moist. With bulk often the heat produced by the sub can produce more condensation to be evaporated. If the FAE is too high then the surface can indeed dry out too much.

One of the reasons cakes are a great way to learn is because they stress the principle that we only mist when water from the previous mist has dissipated. But we need to ensure we mist enough so the cakes do not dry out.

With bulk it's no different except that much of our RH is supplied by the substrate rather than a chamber. But the cycle is the same.


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #24000873 - 01/11/17 01:18 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

great info in hurr:takingnotes:


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: projectbadass]
    #24001106 - 01/11/17 02:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

thank you very much pasty! :smile:


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: AlCapone2k]
    #24001195 - 01/11/17 03:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Good thread CBK.

The fourth of january I spawned my very first monotub ever.. it's and edible (Stropharia rugosoannulata their grow cycle is similar to cubes)

1.5 inches holes, tight in the botton loose on top (like Frank'S)
The air in the room is real dry, got a cool mist humidifier.
RH in the mono is high tough, theres a lot of mist on the mycelium...



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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: Martinsapin] * 1
    #24001212 - 01/11/17 03:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

That mycelium looks cloudy, could indicate some contaminates affecting it's normal growth.
Keep a close eye on it, and give it a good misting to ensure you kickstart evaporation.

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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: Martinsapin]
    #24001467 - 01/11/17 04:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thankyou!
I've never grown that Species of mushroom before so I can't give you any advice but They're really nice looking mushrooms! I hope your grow goes well! :goodluck:
This write up was for Cubensis cultivation and may, or may not be good for what you're growing


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: ComebackKid]
    #24003574 - 01/12/17 11:58 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Overnight the droplets on the surface / beds of moisture disappeared because I increased FAE (some fanning).

Therefore I misted this morning and the surface moisture disappears after half a hour so I misted again. I overmisted it a bit so I tilted the whole mono to get rid of the water on the surface.

Now it seems quite ok.

But I cant establish these small droplets on the surface anymore. When I mist, the surface gets glistening wet but there are no droplets.

Am I doing something wrong or is everything fine? Is it to wet in the corners? To dry in the middle? What can I do?


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These black parts of the substrate on the three right pictures are only shadows from my arms holding the camera :wink:


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: AlCapone2k]
    #24003615 - 01/12/17 12:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Don't worry about getting it perfect, just focus on upping that FAE, that surface looks soaked and will likely delay pinning.
I'd run a fan in the same room pointed away from the tub. Good luck man


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #24003636 - 01/12/17 12:18 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Actually I don't have a fan :frown:

If I fan it to increase the FAE, I'll get a quite dry surface in the middle.

Any idea how to do it without a fan?


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: AlCapone2k]
    #24003787 - 01/12/17 01:16 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Just keep it as is and get to practicing that misting. It takes practice but you will get it right. Once the surface dries, you'll find you gotta mist at least once a day.


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: AlCapone2k]
    #24003795 - 01/12/17 01:19 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

If the surface is drying out in a half hour I would tighten up the holes a bit :shrug: monotubs are suposed to be generally low maintenance. If you're misting every half hour your not dialed in properly.

When misting you want to mist from far away and let the mist gently fall on the surface. They should bead up on their own.
If you mist too close you risk pooling.

EDIT: I wrote this before I saw Mad's comment. Obviously take his advice.
Although, I would advise against a fan.
A properly dialed in monotub will circulate fresh air all on its own. No need to over-complicate anything by adding extra variables.
Like Mad said leave it for now and focus on one thing at a time


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: ComebackKid]
    #24003866 - 01/12/17 01:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Just keep it as is and get to practicing that misting. It takes practice but you will get it right. Once the surface dries, you'll find you gotta mist at least once a day.




thank you, I hope I haven't messed up the whole mono tub now and I will get some fruits eventhough the moisture is not perfect



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If the surface is drying out in a half hour I would tighten up the holes a bit :shrug: monotubs are suposed to be generally low maintenance. If you're misting every half hour your not dialed in properly.

When misting you want to mist from far away and let the mist gently fall on the surface. They should bead up on their own.
If you mist too close you risk pooling.

EDIT: I wrote this before I saw Mad's comment. Obviously take his advice.
Although, I would advise against a fan.
A properly dialed in monotub will circulate fresh air all on its own. No need to over-complicate anything by adding extra variables.
Like Mad said leave it for now and focus on one thing at a time





The holes are really, really tight. I can't get them more tight, the poly can't even move a bit inside the hole. I think the problem is, that since yesterday I am fanning twice or three times a day to maintain FAE, because it seemed that my sub didn't get enough FAE.

Therefore the RH inside the mono was very low the whole day and I had to mist a lot.

So you also recommend like Mad to just take an eye on the surface and if it dries out, give it a slight mist?!


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: AlCapone2k]
    #24003895 - 01/12/17 02:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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So you also recommend like Mad to just take an eye on the surface and if it dries out, give it a slight mist?!




This helps. But don't overdo it.
I can see some hyphal knots/primodia there. IMO it will fruit soon. :thumbup:
The evaporation of the moist surface triggers pinning a lot IME.


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: AlCapone2k]
    #24003900 - 01/12/17 02:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Don't even worry about fanning a mono. The heat from the substrate cycles the air.


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #24003993 - 01/12/17 02:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you guys, I will keep you updated.

Sorry CCK for hijacking your thread but I think the answers to my questions could also help future guys reading in this thread! :smile:

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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: AlCapone2k]
    #24004026 - 01/12/17 03:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Bro hijack away. It's helping me fine tune the OP so thank you!


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #24004069 - 01/12/17 03:17 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Don't even worry about fanning a mono. The heat from the substrate cycles the air.






And what is with misting? I know that it should be alright if dialed in correctly, but if the surface dries out, shall I mist it eventhough I believe to see some hyphal knots? :smile:


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: AlCapone2k]
    #24004073 - 01/12/17 03:18 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

If it's dry mist it. You can then dial it in for less FAE but always mist if it appears to be drying out.


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #24004082 - 01/12/17 03:21 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yep. And tbh if the surface dries out, it seems to just dry out at least once a day. Even if you stuff it tight AF. Maybe it's just my climate? :shrug: but it makes sense to me that if the sub lost too much water to hold the humidity to maintain surface hydration, it needs to be replaced regularly through misting.

The trick is learning how much to mist. Not too much or not too little, it's a Goldilocks zone. I'd say it took me 6+ months of misting substrates every day before I could confidently mist properly every time. Although I didn't have a tek like this to help me out xD it was all trial and error. I bet people will learn much quicker now.


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