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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #25192041 - 05/08/18 05:52 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: ComebackKid]
    #25261801 - 06/11/18 03:22 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

i have a few shoeboxes that are knotting and pinning right now

they have side pins all over the place a good amount of knots on the surface and some pins

when i mist it doesn't seem to bead up

these are 1 quart spawn to 1 quart sub with a coir casing at spawn

they seem to hold less moisture than the shoeboxes i have colonizing with 2 quarts to 2 quarts

should i try misting twice a day?

any suggestions?

can take pics if needed


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: thelanzii]
    #25262197 - 06/11/18 06:37 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

bottom water it


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: Munchauzen]
    #25262820 - 06/12/18 02:24 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

how much water should i give them?


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: thelanzii]
    #25264684 - 06/12/18 11:33 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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how much water should i give them?




Use the search to look up 'bottom watering'. As far as I know, you just pour the water in the sides, let it sit for an hour and then pour it out. You don't need to measure.


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: ComebackKid]
    #25300605 - 06/30/18 10:53 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Hello,

I'm looking for some feedback on surface conditions of my two monotubs (following BODs unmodified mono tub tek). I posted a couple pictures taken after 6 days on BOD's TEK thread, so my apologies for the repeat.

I spawned to straight coir about 8 days ago (6:1 ratio of grain jars to bricks coir for 54 qt tub and 3 jars:1/2 brick for 34 qt tub). I was thinking things were looking a little wet when I posted a couple days ago, due to some pooling from condensation dripping from the sides of the tub onto the surface. A couple days later, I started thinking the surface looked a bit dry (aside from the trickles of condensation in a couple places along the sides) so I misted each tub. Now I'm not quite sure. Might be too wet in some areas and too dry in others, particularly in the middle.

Here are a couple pics from this morning:





What do ya'll think? Too wet, too dry, just about right? Any input would be greatly appreciated.


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: clan91]
    #25300635 - 06/30/18 11:08 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Looks unhealthy. That's some weak recovery on those grains. Watch out for green.


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #25300688 - 06/30/18 11:34 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Bummer. Anything I can do at this point, or just let it go and see what happens?

Here's a pic of the smaller tub from a couple days ago, six days after spawning:



Does this look unhealthy as well? Grain jars seemed alright to me (although they did take a bit of pounding to break up once colonized), and once mixed with coir it smelled strongly of mushroom and wet bark, or whatever the coir smell is.

Thanks for the input.


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: clan91]
    #25300695 - 06/30/18 11:38 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Oats always look weak imo but that second pic looks a tad better. Just cross your fingers.


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #25300702 - 06/30/18 11:40 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Ok, thanks for the input. The sides generally look a bit better than the middle (aside from some puddling from condensation), which seems to have some fluffy coir and grains that haven't fully recovered. Not sure if there's something happening under the surface in the middle, if it just got a bit dried out or what.

Anyways, I'll keep an eye on it and hope it works out alright.

Thanks again.


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #25304662 - 07/02/18 02:54 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Hi, Pastywhyte. I'm still limping along over here. No green visible (yet), but colonization hasn't picked up too much in the last few days (at colonization Day 10 today).

Since last posting, I began to wonder about my growing conditions. I have these tubs in my basement, where the ambient temperature runs between 65-69F. I have a 100W 6500K CFL in a clamp light reflector sitting on top of each tub (I raised it up a bit off the surface of the lid for the smaller tub) set to a 12/12 schedule.

From my reading, I gathered this would be fine and should keep the substrate temp in the range of, something like, 75-80 deg, assuming an ~5-10 deg increase in sub temp (maybe a bit more with lights?).

Do these temps sound ok to you (or anyone else who may be reading)? Is it possible the conditions are too cool?


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: clan91]
    #25304713 - 07/02/18 03:21 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Sounds OK to me. Update with pics of surface if you can.


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: ManifoldPrime]
    #25304873 - 07/02/18 04:26 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

There's a surface pic from 2 days ago a few posts up in this thread (I'm trying to resist fucking with the tubs too much, taking the lid off, etc. or I'd go snap another right now for you).

Just seems like anemic growth. I'm guessing bacteria or something slowing things down, but fishing around for other answers. It's a challenge to just wait and see how it turns out!


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: clan91]
    #25305340 - 07/02/18 08:40 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

:takingnotes:


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: Reddragon]
    #25305412 - 07/02/18 09:22 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Sounds a bit cool... the cooler it is (to an extent) the slower the growth will be, but the less favorable conditions are for contaminants... I'd stay at least 70° though


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: clan91]
    #25305586 - 07/03/18 12:12 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Hi, Pastywhyte. I'm still limping along over here. No green visible (yet), but colonization hasn't picked up too much in the last few days (at colonization Day 10 today).

Since last posting, I began to wonder about my growing conditions. I have these tubs in my basement, where the ambient temperature runs between 65-69F. I have a 100W 6500K CFL in a clamp light reflector sitting on top of each tub (I raised it up a bit off the surface of the lid for the smaller tub) set to a 12/12 schedule.

From my reading, I gathered this would be fine and should keep the substrate temp in the range of, something like, 75-80 deg, assuming an ~5-10 deg increase in sub temp (maybe a bit more with lights?).

Do these temps sound ok to you (or anyone else who may be reading)? Is it possible the conditions are too cool?




Ptobably slow things down a bit. I like my room at about 70


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: Enkidu]
    #25306055 - 07/03/18 08:39 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Ptobably slow things down a bit. I like my room at about 70




Thanks for the input! Ambient room temp is currently at 70, actually, although over night it's usually a bit lower.

I guess I'll leave them where they are for now and see how it goes. Doing some g2g transfers, just in case these tubs fail, although I'm a little worried that the problem came from my grain jars. They all looked and smelled good to me when I spawned, although there was one jar with an uncolonized patch. It thought this was due to poor shaking on my part, but might have been bacterial?

Don't really want to start over from agar again, but might be necessary.


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: clan91]
    #25306143 - 07/03/18 09:31 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Uncolonized grain spots can indicate bacteria yes... but could also indicate to wet, to dry, too much starch from poor rinsing etc... it being the only issue spot,bacteria seems most likely... IMO


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25306172 - 07/03/18 09:43 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Uncolonized grain spots can indicate bacteria yes... but could also indicate to wet, to dry, too much starch from poor rinsing etc... it being the only issue spot,bacteria seems most likely... IMO




Yeah, lots of variables in play. The jar I held out for g2g looks good and is fully colonized, so fingers crossed. At the least, this will give me another shot at working on my coir prep and spawning to bulk process.

Thanks for the input!


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: clan91]
    #25306189 - 07/03/18 09:50 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

That's the spirit!


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