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sunshine
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I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs!
#23998583 - 01/10/17 03:59 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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It's true. I don't feel addicted at all to drugs. I think psychedelic drugs should be available to everyone to prevent drug habits waiting to happen.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: sunshine]
#23998599 - 01/10/17 04:02 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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What was the reaction?
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: mctaveesh]
#23998688 - 01/10/17 04:38 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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I've thought about doing this as well. I'm just not a good speaker, but i do think people in NA and AA should know about these tools/medicines.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: Sabnock]
#23998771 - 01/10/17 05:05 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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I saw a lot of smiles. Almost everyone there already knew that what I said was true.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: sunshine]
#23998804 - 01/10/17 05:12 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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I know I've been through one rehab and mentioned in one session that my friend came to town and had lsd and mush & that both wouldn't show up on a drug test *wink/nudge* but I was strong and overcame my urges and didn't take any
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: sunshine]
#23998838 - 01/10/17 05:24 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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sunshine said: I saw a lot of smiles. Almost everyone there already knew that what I said was true.
Well good for you sunshine but I tend to disagree as a general consensus of how psychedelics cure 'addiction'.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: SavageEdibles]
#23998845 - 01/10/17 05:26 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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Psychedelics are not stable. There is no reliability when it comes to using psychedelics, which are one of the strongest drugs.
One can have a bad trip or a good trip. Its a roll of the dice.
Because it helped you quit addictive substances, is awesome, im sure its a great story. But that does not mean that it should be prescribed to the general populace to cure the same issue, as im sure it would be varied results.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: Sabnock]
#23998848 - 01/10/17 05:27 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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Sabnock said: I've thought about doing this as well. I'm just not a good speaker, but i do think people in NA and AA should know about these tools/medicines.
Especially since the founder of AA cured his own alcoholism with LSD.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: mctaveesh]
#23998856 - 01/10/17 05:29 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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I cured my own addiction without psychedelics, I cold turkeyed and withdrew from Nicotine, Opiates, Amphetamines, Benzos, and Cocaine all at the Same Time.
Last time I used psychedelics I nearly killed myself. And it opened me up to all what I just listed above.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: SavageEdibles]
#23998863 - 01/10/17 05:30 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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I am so anti-drug now, I drink Decaf coffee....seriously.
Willpower and assistance from above.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: SavageEdibles]
#23999187 - 01/10/17 07:16 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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SavageEdibles said: Psychedelics are not stable. There is no reliability when it comes to using psychedelics, which are one of the strongest drugs.
One can have a bad trip or a good trip. Its a roll of the dice.
Because it helped you quit addictive substances, is awesome, im sure its a great story. But that does not mean that it should be prescribed to the general populace to cure the same issue, as im sure it would be varied results.
I disagree entirely. Nothing has been shown to work nearly as effectively as psychedelics for overcoming addiction and unhealthy patterns of behavior, nothing even close. Facilitating introspection hello?
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23999200 - 01/10/17 07:19 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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I dont take caffeine.
Sorry if I came off wrong.
Psychedelics clearly have the capability to influence addiction.
I do not agree that it is a 'stable process' in doing so. Set and Setting are not always reliable in my experience.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: SavageEdibles]
#23999212 - 01/10/17 07:21 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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SavageEdibles said: Set and Setting are not always reliable in my experience.
No fucking shit.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23999221 - 01/10/17 07:24 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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" I think psychedelic drugs should be available to everyone to prevent drug habits waiting to happen. "
Psychedelic drugs are some of the hardest drugs in existence.
They, as a tool, can be used to build or to destroy. And sometimes you are not in control.
Thats my whole point here.
They will never be open to the public because of this, they are not stable or reliable.
There are far better ways to cure addiction than to use an extremely powerful substance anyways.
This is my opinion, feel free to debate.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: SavageEdibles]
#23999264 - 01/10/17 07:38 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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SavageEdibles said: Psychedelic drugs are some of the hardest drugs in existence.
What do you mean by this? You mean hard drugs? Because if that's true you're wrong. All traditional psychedelics are classified as soft drugs.
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They, as a tool, can be used to build or to destroy. And sometimes you are not in control.
Sometimes? I never knew there was a point at where you were "in control" I feel like if you're ever "in control" then you should most definitely up your dose. If you're tripping for tripping's sake (that means not recreationally) then I feel you should be taking a dose that you're at least a little scared of, otherwise I don't really think you're doing it right.
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Thats my whole point here.
What is? That psychedelics are powerful? I believe that's obvious but thanks for reminding us.
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They will never be open to the public because of this, they are not stable or reliable.
Tell that to Amsterdam
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There are far better ways to cure addiction than to use an extremely powerful substance anyways.
No...there isn't. Not even close. We already have the data so I would try a different argument.
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This is my opinion, feel free to debate.
I'm still not clear on what your point is and I suspect the "conclusions" you came to wasn't through the result of objective analysis because it isn't at all stable or non biased. You're far too caught up here in being politically correct, you may care about being politically correct but I just care about being correct.
I hate political correctness and you know why? It's not because I'm a SJW hating conservative or an arrogant bastard who likes to stir up controversy no it's being politically correct is the exact opposite of being objective and if you're that far from being objective I don't even want to talk to you.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23999266 - 01/10/17 07:38 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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gettin trolled
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: filthyknees]
#23999311 - 01/10/17 07:59 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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There was actually a study in Canada where they found the worst alcoholics and gave them LSD. There was significant improvement in their way of life. That was before LSD was illegal, I think. I read about it in Peter Stafford's book Psychedelics. Even one trip is helpful.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: sunshine]
#23999929 - 01/10/17 11:49 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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lets see this data AuroraBorealis88
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#23999930 - 01/10/17 11:50 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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they can help some people but they are hardly a cure like you say. and they really have not been studied a lot. so again lets see youre sources
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#23999949 - 01/11/17 12:03 AM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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they assist introspective. that is it. it is the thought processes that changes the habits nothing more. the psychedelics may cause you to think more about your life and actions but they don't change your actions. I think this is an important distinction to make. I would love to know more about how they have helped you guys overcome addiction considering I know a few people interested in trying this route. psychedelics don't stop you from drinking you do. they may make you want to stop drinking more??? I have no first hand experience just theories based on my psychedelic experiences
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24000200 - 01/11/17 04:11 AM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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I'm sure after weed was legalized for a while and people were used to that. And people were used to hearing about Psilocybin & MDMA treating PTSD and curing addicitons and whatnot...
And everybody was well-educated about Psychedelics...
People would at least be open enough to the idea to benefit from it - If somebody is really struggling with addiciton, they would be able to go through it if they were educated and ready - What else have they got to lose?
At least from MDMA. I mean that shit works %100 if done right and isn't risky if done only a few times
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: SavageEdibles]
#24000358 - 01/11/17 06:56 AM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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The same could be said of a motorcycle. Unstable. Could be the impetus of great joy and fun or complete destruction from which one will never recover.
This should not be reason to keep the public from making their own choices and using the item, whether psychedelics or motorcycles or alcohol or their prescription to pain killers, responsibly.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: LoneLobo]
#24000468 - 01/11/17 08:19 AM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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SavageEdibles said: Psychedelics are not stable. There is no reliability when it comes to using psychedelics, which are one of the strongest drugs.
One can have a bad trip or a good trip. Its a roll of the dice.
Because it helped you quit addictive substances, is awesome, im sure its a great story. But that does not mean that it should be prescribed to the general populace to cure the same issue, as im sure it would be varied results.
Guess what? Nothing is stable because not everyone is stable. Just because something isnt 100 percent reliable doesnt mean its not the most effective method.
Prozac is very risky for people with depression. That doesnt stop doctors from trying it atleast once with every patient they see.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#24000486 - 01/11/17 08:34 AM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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stanislav grof used psychedelics to treat mental disorders and psychotic patients.
there is also iboga for heroin and opiates addiction.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: oontribe]
#24000577 - 01/11/17 09:14 AM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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LSD is the secret 13th step to recovery. It's so secret that AA and NA have completely forgotten it and I've found that the people running meetings, in my area at least, were very resistant to psychedelics. Even coming to anger when it's brought up that the couple who started AA used lsd in their treatment.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#24000682 - 01/11/17 10:03 AM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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spaceyvibess said: they can help some people but they are hardly a cure like you say. and they really have not been studied a lot. so again lets see youre sources 
They have been shown to be roughly 8 to 10 times more effective for addictions than 12 Step.
They did studies where they analyzed the success rates of each method where LSD and Psilocybin had a success rate of 45 - 55% and traditional methods like 12 Step only had a success rate of about 5%. And that's on the first go.
I didn't know there was people out there that didn't know psychedelics work better than any common method for curing addictions. Being politically correct does not make you look smart or mature it just makes you look politically correct.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#24000773 - 01/11/17 10:38 AM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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I totally agree
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: oontribe]
#24000871 - 01/11/17 11:17 AM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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Can I see the data? You keep saying there's study's but I wanna see them!
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess] 1
#24000923 - 01/11/17 11:42 AM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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do you know how to use a search engine?...
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24000997 - 01/11/17 12:05 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#24001164 - 01/11/17 01:20 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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Yes and I didn't find any studies. You're saying that studies exist and that dropping acid is 25x more effective than rehab/aa and I don't believe you. If you're going around making outrageous claims that could potentially harm people you need to be able to back those claims up
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#24001273 - 01/11/17 01:57 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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spaceyvibess said: Yes and I didn't find any studies. You're saying that studies exist and that dropping acid is 25x more effective than rehab/aa and I don't believe you. If you're going around making outrageous claims that could potentially harm people you need to be able to back those claims up
Spaceyvibess, Go check out all the work MAPS is doing.
Here is a list of some of the studies already conducted pertaining to addiction treatment. you can read the findings on their website if you want.
-Ayahuasca in the Treatment of Substance Abuse -Ibogaine Treatment Study with Addiction -Ketamine Psychedelic Therapy in the Treatment of Heroin Addiction
And in progress is Psilocybin-Facilitated Addiction Treatment
There is loads of other research pertaining to the psychotherapy of psychedelics they are doing as well. which is equally important I believe.
The Psychedelic experience is a wonderful tool when used properly. Which we have known forever. It's just nice to see these scientific studies finally backing it up.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: SpaceDawg] 1
#24001316 - 01/11/17 02:10 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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just "dropping acid" isn't going to fix your addiction. but coupled with psychotherapy psychedelics have great potential for helping overcome addiction. ... addiction is incurable. all you can do is go into remission.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24001338 - 01/11/17 02:17 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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I follow maps and I'm aware that psychedelics can help with addiction but It's flat out irresponsible to tell people that aa and rehab are bullshit and that eating shrooms or acid is the most effective treatment in the world. Yes doing psychedelics with months of psychotherapy could help a lot of people with addiction but auroraborealis is trying to make it seem like dropping acid is25x more effective than existing treatment. Yes there are flaws with existing treatment but as an addict who is currently sober I can tell you that dropping acid didn't help me or anyone else I know get sober.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#24001379 - 01/11/17 02:28 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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that doesn't mean it couldn't... don't you get it? treatment is about thought processes. taking acid is more effective because it makes you think differently, I don't think AA can make you want to treat your body right as much as LSD or Psilocybin does. it's the introspective one needs.. that is obtained differently for everyone
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24001418 - 01/11/17 02:37 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: SpaceDawg]
#24001445 - 01/11/17 02:46 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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I don't disagree I'm just stating that it's dangerous advice to tell mentally unstable and possibly mentally ill addicts that conventional treatment is bullshit and that taking street drugs in an uncontrolled environment is 25x more effective. I don't go to aa meetings anymore but it is a wonderful thing. You don't have to agree with everything they say but they no what you are going through and you will walk out of you're first meeting with 30+ phone numbers of people that you can call 24/7 when you need help
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#24001453 - 01/11/17 02:48 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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And I never said it couldn't. The burden of proof is on the guy stating that lsd is 25x more effective but is unwilling to provide a source. I would still like to see the source. I fully believe psychedelics are medicine but if you're going to make claims that it's 25x more effective than conventional treatment you need to be prepared to back that up
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#24001473 - 01/11/17 02:57 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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SavageEdibles said: I am so anti-drug now, I drink Decaf coffee....seriously.
Willpower and assistance from above.
You say that yet here you are at a forum about using drugs. Psychedelics are not for everyone, they weren't for you, bad trips can happen in a perfect set and setting, that's life. I am happy you got over your addiction, but if you're so anti tripping perhaps you shouldn't be posting in a forum that's about tripping. Tripping doesn't cure everything and for some people they get mentally traumatized and damaged from the experience, we all understand that. He has his opinion and you have yours.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: Supachopped719]
#24001504 - 01/11/17 03:11 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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Supachopped719 said: LSD is the secret 13th step to recovery. It's so secret that AA and NA have completely forgotten it and I've found that the people running meetings, in my area at least, were very resistant to psychedelics. Even coming to anger when it's brought up that the couple who started AA used lsd in their treatment.
LSD was seen by one of the co-founders of AA, Bill Wilson, as a possible tool to help alcoholics recover. He took it as well as several in his inner circle and saw great promise in it's use. Soon after the feds schedule 1'd it and the whole thing was dropped.
He wrote about it in "As Bill Sees it" one of the AA publications. He was ridiculed and pushed aside by many of his peers because of his use of a "mind altering substance" to help with addiction. I find it pretty messed up that the man who started the most successful recovery program ever...was ridiculed for having an open mind....something the program of AA says is required. Anyway, I am a sober alcoholic that applies the program of AA to my life and also takes mushroom breaks a couple times a year to reset my spirituality. I haven't had a drink in almost 18 years but I have only told a couple of my closest AA friends that I use mushrooms. Most people have the unfounded belief that these are recreational drugs and would not understand.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: Thayendanegea]
#24001520 - 01/11/17 03:17 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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Thats cool.when people stop lumping all substances under the same blanket term such as Narcotics .Then one day we may realise that psychedelics are not like booze or cocaine.Good on yer-brave move!
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: dazzleship]
#24001653 - 01/11/17 04:12 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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I think tripping is safe if dosage and experience are weighed. I tripped without a guide, but a guide is probably a must for people with little experience with drugs.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#24002207 - 01/11/17 07:41 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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spaceyvibess said: Yes and I didn't find any studies.
Obvious troll.
Also I never said 25 times more wtf are you smoking? Even Ibogaine isn't 25 times more effective than 12 Step. You're being delusional on purpose or you're just not a very good troll. Or maybe you're just too good? I'm not sure which, either way it's one extreme or the other.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#24002215 - 01/11/17 07:44 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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spaceyvibess said: I follow maps and I'm aware that psychedelics can help with addiction but It's flat out irresponsible to tell people that aa and rehab are bullshit and that eating shrooms or acid is the most effective treatment in the world.
Shrooms and Acid aren't the most effective addiction treatment in the world. That would be Ibogaine. Also I never knocked AA or traditional rehab... your inaccurate assumptions are really out of control. If you don't know "anyone" who's beat an addiction after taking acid you probably don't know that many people. I know tons and I'm not even around very many drug addicts and never have been.
P.S. You don't simply "drop acid" you take it as an aid to psychotherapy.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#24002504 - 01/11/17 09:44 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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You have to want to quit, too. I had a marijuana addiction when I was young. I don't really get a kick out of any of the hard drugs. I quit drugs for 14 years, after 17 years of using drugs!
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: sunshine]
#24002523 - 01/11/17 09:50 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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IME (not based on the data) but in my own opinion psychedelics facilitate not just introspection but immense clarity and as many of you already know; personal bias suppression through deconditioning which literally means you can view your habits from a more objective and clearer view.
But my point is that it's the psychedelics that make you truly want to quit, they just plant the seed. I'm not saying anyone else but you is going to beat the addiction but psychedelics give you both the tools and the clarity to see HOW you can fix yourself and why you should and they give you the drive and motivation to do so.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#24002675 - 01/11/17 11:02 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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Not a troll. Why can't you give me a link to the study?
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#24002681 - 01/11/17 11:06 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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And sorry you said 10x more effective not 25 my bad. Is all I'm saying is that it's dangerous to tell addicts that conventional treatment is 10x less effective than taking street drugs in an uncontrolled setting. I'm shocked that my opinion is a controversial one honestly
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#24002959 - 01/12/17 01:31 AM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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spaceyvibess said: And sorry you said 10x more effective not 25 my bad. Is all I'm saying is that it's dangerous to tell addicts that conventional treatment is 10x less effective than taking street drugs in an uncontrolled setting. I'm shocked that my opinion is a controversial one honestly
I think its ok to pass on personal experience.Subjective truth OR opions are open to interpretation. I gave up booze 3.5 years ago.Looking back ,im sure mushrooms could have helped.I wasnt using psychedelics then.Its taken years to unravel deep seated emotional issues. Now im using psychedelics to rebalance myself .It depends on the individual and what you are looking to achieve.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#24003788 - 01/12/17 11:16 AM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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spaceyvibess said: And sorry you said 10x more effective not 25 my bad. Is all I'm saying is that it's dangerous to tell addicts that conventional treatment is 10x less effective than taking street drugs in an uncontrolled setting. I'm shocked that my opinion is a controversial one honestly
again, you're putting words into our mouths. nobody said conventional treatment doesn't work. when you assume you make an ass out of U & Me
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24003834 - 01/12/17 11:38 AM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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Auroraborealis I'm not arguing that psychedelic assisted psychotherapy isn't really effective but you refuse to provide the study where it was done with lsd. Also you say you don't just "drop acid" you do it with psychotherapy. Exactly how many people do you know that have have done psychedelic psychotherapy? You lead me to believe you know several?
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#24003840 - 01/12/17 11:40 AM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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Is all saying is that it's terrible advice to suggest that treatment hardly works and that the best course of action is psychedelics, psychedelics can really fuck you up BAD if you are not ready for them. I also understand the potential value for psychedelic assisted psycotherapy but last I checked this was unfortunately not an option for literally anyone
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#24003852 - 01/12/17 11:45 AM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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And you put words into my mouth. I said it's dangerous to tell addicts that street drugs are10x more effective. You even quoted me and then claimed that I said that you said treatment was useless!? Again I'm shocked that my opinion is the controversial one. I'm not dissing the potential of psycotherapy in conjuncture with psychedelics. I'm saying that it's dangerous to lead addicts to believe that dropping acid or shrooms will be 10x more effective then treatment ( treatment works if you truly give it you're all and if you are ready, you HAVE to be ready though)
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#24003917 - 01/12/17 12:13 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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spaceyvibess said: Exactly how many people do you know that have have done psychedelic psychotherapy? You lead me to believe you know several?
Let me address this first..
I don't personally know anyone who's used psychedelics in a psychotherapy setting for addiction that's not why I said it. I don't know if an Ibogaine retreat really counts as "psychotherapy" but I know 2 people that have done that but other than that all the people I know who used psychedelics as a catalyst and a tool to help them stop and see the fucking light for once all did it on their own accord. Many of them weren't even trying to quit they just took a psychedelic had introspection and saw they were a piece of shit. It isn't rocket science these psychedelics make people want to stop and if you disagree I truly question your experience.
Now the reason I'm only saying psychotherapy...is because that's the only thing with scientific data and I assume it's a great deal more consistent. However...sometimes taking a psychedelic in a bad and non-theraputic setting works even better than psychotherapy because it is harder to handle and more likely to really make you want to quit. In a way it could be said that the worse the trip is the more likely you are to quit but who knows? I'm not drawing any conclusions on that.. There was a study back in the 50s or 60s in Canada where they actually tried to "scare" alcoholics out of addiction using high doses of LSD but it totally kind of backfired and it ended up (instead of scaring them) giving them these powerful almost religious type experiences but most of them did quit drinking.
Either way I'm really only interested in talking about psychedelic assisted psychotherapy not labeling them as the ultimate anti-drug addiction medicine that you just take at home and BOOM magic even though for some that's how it does work out.
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Auroraborealis I'm not arguing that psychedelic assisted psychotherapy isn't really effective but you refuse to provide the study where it was done with lsd. Also you say you don't just "drop acid" you do it with psychotherapy.
Yes that is what I say...don't just drop acid Unless you want to of course? ..I think earlier you said that was "dangerous"? I don't know what that's all about. Does using a psychedelic for addiction at your own house somehow make it more dangerous than just taking acid for no reason at your house? I don't get your logic. Are you saying it's dangerous just because they're an addict? Well then that means they're already in danger haha, what more significant "danger" can something like acid impose?
Either way I'll read your other messages in a sec (you should really keep it to one message) but anyways the reason I "refuse" to provide a study is because wtf..Look it up yourself. Do your own non-biased research there's damn studies everywhere about this crap. There was even a study done on why there isn't enough studies done on this and this stuff has been known for decades. This is why I smelled troll at first but you apparently seem to think this. What is so harmful about using Google, you said you looked and you didn't find any studies which is obviously complete crap.
I don't know why you think I just have scientific studies in my back pocket, it's just as easy for you to find them as it is for me so why do I have to do it for you? Are you that lazy? I mean the fact that you don't already know this stuff kind of says it all but w/e. I saw that study probably 2 or 3 years ago after hearing Amber Lyon talk about it so I looked it up myself. I read things and remember them. I don't know if it's the same for you but I know I don't need a fucking source for every single fact I know.
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And sorry you said 10x more effective not 25 my bad. Is all I'm saying is that it's dangerous to tell addicts that conventional treatment is 10x less effective than taking street drugs in an uncontrolled setting. I'm shocked that my opinion is a controversial one honestly
I'm shocked that you even have this opinion and once again you don't sound very experienced or maybe you're new to psychedelics I don't know what it is but many people know this. I would consider it pretty mainstream by now, btw that's YOU and no one but YOU making that assumption about an "uncontrolled setting" so drop that nonsensical argument already because you know it's not realistic. You know that's not what the implications are, come on.
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Is all saying is that it's terrible advice to suggest that treatment hardly works and that the best course of action is psychedelics,
I never said treatment "hardly works" and btw using psychedelics as a method or aid is still a "treatment". I assume you just meant traditional treatments.
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psychedelics can really fuck you up BAD if you are not ready for them. I also understand the potential value for psychedelic assisted psycotherapy but last I checked this was unfortunately not an option for literally anyone
Ha, I'm sorry did I ever say people who aren't ready for psychedelics should take them? What is with all these whacky assumptions? Are you really like this in real life? I don't know where all these random theories of yours are coming from and these strange ideas on what I'm "implying"? ..but I'm getting tried of addressing each one of them so can you stop being such a conclusion drawer and a pessimist. And what do you mean not an option for literally anyone? Because they're illegal? Well...ya... That's kinda why we talk about it
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#24003959 - 01/12/17 12:38 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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Well the fact that you said a bad trip in a bad setting is probably better just says it all. I met 3 people in rehab who slit both of their arms up and down while on acid or shrooms. They had a terrible trips in active addiction and tried to kill themselves. 2 have ptsd
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#24003966 - 01/12/17 12:41 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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And I've been doing psychedelics for 7 years. Acid ayahuasca shrooms cactus 25x 2cx k mxe 3meo pcp and a lot more. They did eventually help with my addiction but they have the potential to make things worse. You're first post said nothing about psycotherapy. Only that lsd was 10x more effective than treatment. That is dangerous misinformation. It has no place here
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#24003976 - 01/12/17 12:44 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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spaceyvibess said: Well the fact that you said a bad trip in a bad setting is probably better just says it all.
I never said probably man I said maybe... I said; who knows? I said I wasn't gong to draw any conclusions on that so thanks for continuing to put words into other peoples' mouths But regardless those are often the most introspective and usually the most transformative. Difficult? bad? it's really all subjective. Because maybe they actually are more effective. I said no one knows or at least that's what I clearly insinuated. Many of the people who take psychedelics in therapy actually do often have "bad" trips or difficult trips btw. "Bad" trips can often be the most healing, ..are you sure you're not new to psychedelics?
edit: Oh and P.S. As for your little rehab story...it's utter bulllshit.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#24003981 - 01/12/17 12:46 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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To be honest, I think that AA and NA are a waste of time.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#24003987 - 01/12/17 12:47 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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spaceyvibess said: And I've been doing psychedelics for 7 years. Acid ayahuasca shrooms cactus 25x 2cx k mxe 3meo pcp and a lot more. They did eventually help with my addiction but they have the potential to make things worse. You're first post said nothing about psycotherapy. Only that lsd was 10x more effective than treatment. That is dangerous misinformation. It has no place here
Stop writing so many different messages. You never said how it was dangerous and also it doesn't make it worse you moron. What are you smoking crack little boy?
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#24004005 - 01/12/17 12:51 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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You don't believe that people in terrible pain/addiction that take psychedelics in poor settings can attempt suicide?
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#24004061 - 01/12/17 01:14 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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They most definitely can but it doesn't usually happen that way. I never said a bad trip where they could kill themselves I said a bad trip. I never said it was a good thing either you seem to be misunderstanding...just because it works doesn't mean that's the way it should be. "Bad trips" (whatever that even means) should still be avoided.
Also you shouldn't be shocked that your opinion on this matter is seen as controversial because those who disagree with clear science and data tend to not be seen in the best of light and thus are seen as having controversial ideas and opinions.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#24004096 - 01/12/17 01:25 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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I never once "disagreed with science and data"
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#24004103 - 01/12/17 01:27 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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And you said my rehab story was bullshit. It was not. You also said psychedelics can't make things worse. That's so fucking laughable
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