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dazzleship
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: Thayendanegea]
#24001520 - 01/11/17 03:17 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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Thats cool.when people stop lumping all substances under the same blanket term such as Narcotics .Then one day we may realise that psychedelics are not like booze or cocaine.Good on yer-brave move!
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: dazzleship]
#24001653 - 01/11/17 04:12 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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I think tripping is safe if dosage and experience are weighed. I tripped without a guide, but a guide is probably a must for people with little experience with drugs.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#24002207 - 01/11/17 07:41 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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spaceyvibess said: Yes and I didn't find any studies.
Obvious troll.
Also I never said 25 times more wtf are you smoking? Even Ibogaine isn't 25 times more effective than 12 Step. You're being delusional on purpose or you're just not a very good troll. Or maybe you're just too good? I'm not sure which, either way it's one extreme or the other.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#24002215 - 01/11/17 07:44 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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spaceyvibess said: I follow maps and I'm aware that psychedelics can help with addiction but It's flat out irresponsible to tell people that aa and rehab are bullshit and that eating shrooms or acid is the most effective treatment in the world.
Shrooms and Acid aren't the most effective addiction treatment in the world. That would be Ibogaine. Also I never knocked AA or traditional rehab... your inaccurate assumptions are really out of control. If you don't know "anyone" who's beat an addiction after taking acid you probably don't know that many people. I know tons and I'm not even around very many drug addicts and never have been.
P.S. You don't simply "drop acid" you take it as an aid to psychotherapy.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#24002504 - 01/11/17 09:44 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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You have to want to quit, too. I had a marijuana addiction when I was young. I don't really get a kick out of any of the hard drugs. I quit drugs for 14 years, after 17 years of using drugs!
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: sunshine]
#24002523 - 01/11/17 09:50 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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IME (not based on the data) but in my own opinion psychedelics facilitate not just introspection but immense clarity and as many of you already know; personal bias suppression through deconditioning which literally means you can view your habits from a more objective and clearer view.
But my point is that it's the psychedelics that make you truly want to quit, they just plant the seed. I'm not saying anyone else but you is going to beat the addiction but psychedelics give you both the tools and the clarity to see HOW you can fix yourself and why you should and they give you the drive and motivation to do so.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#24002675 - 01/11/17 11:02 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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Not a troll. Why can't you give me a link to the study?
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#24002681 - 01/11/17 11:06 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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And sorry you said 10x more effective not 25 my bad. Is all I'm saying is that it's dangerous to tell addicts that conventional treatment is 10x less effective than taking street drugs in an uncontrolled setting. I'm shocked that my opinion is a controversial one honestly
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#24002959 - 01/12/17 01:31 AM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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spaceyvibess said: And sorry you said 10x more effective not 25 my bad. Is all I'm saying is that it's dangerous to tell addicts that conventional treatment is 10x less effective than taking street drugs in an uncontrolled setting. I'm shocked that my opinion is a controversial one honestly
I think its ok to pass on personal experience.Subjective truth OR opions are open to interpretation. I gave up booze 3.5 years ago.Looking back ,im sure mushrooms could have helped.I wasnt using psychedelics then.Its taken years to unravel deep seated emotional issues. Now im using psychedelics to rebalance myself .It depends on the individual and what you are looking to achieve.
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#24003788 - 01/12/17 11:16 AM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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spaceyvibess said: And sorry you said 10x more effective not 25 my bad. Is all I'm saying is that it's dangerous to tell addicts that conventional treatment is 10x less effective than taking street drugs in an uncontrolled setting. I'm shocked that my opinion is a controversial one honestly
again, you're putting words into our mouths. nobody said conventional treatment doesn't work. when you assume you make an ass out of U & Me
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24003834 - 01/12/17 11:38 AM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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Auroraborealis I'm not arguing that psychedelic assisted psychotherapy isn't really effective but you refuse to provide the study where it was done with lsd. Also you say you don't just "drop acid" you do it with psychotherapy. Exactly how many people do you know that have have done psychedelic psychotherapy? You lead me to believe you know several?
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#24003840 - 01/12/17 11:40 AM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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Is all saying is that it's terrible advice to suggest that treatment hardly works and that the best course of action is psychedelics, psychedelics can really fuck you up BAD if you are not ready for them. I also understand the potential value for psychedelic assisted psycotherapy but last I checked this was unfortunately not an option for literally anyone
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#24003852 - 01/12/17 11:45 AM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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And you put words into my mouth. I said it's dangerous to tell addicts that street drugs are10x more effective. You even quoted me and then claimed that I said that you said treatment was useless!? Again I'm shocked that my opinion is the controversial one. I'm not dissing the potential of psycotherapy in conjuncture with psychedelics. I'm saying that it's dangerous to lead addicts to believe that dropping acid or shrooms will be 10x more effective then treatment ( treatment works if you truly give it you're all and if you are ready, you HAVE to be ready though)
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#24003917 - 01/12/17 12:13 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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spaceyvibess said: Exactly how many people do you know that have have done psychedelic psychotherapy? You lead me to believe you know several?
Let me address this first..
I don't personally know anyone who's used psychedelics in a psychotherapy setting for addiction that's not why I said it. I don't know if an Ibogaine retreat really counts as "psychotherapy" but I know 2 people that have done that but other than that all the people I know who used psychedelics as a catalyst and a tool to help them stop and see the fucking light for once all did it on their own accord. Many of them weren't even trying to quit they just took a psychedelic had introspection and saw they were a piece of shit. It isn't rocket science these psychedelics make people want to stop and if you disagree I truly question your experience.
Now the reason I'm only saying psychotherapy...is because that's the only thing with scientific data and I assume it's a great deal more consistent. However...sometimes taking a psychedelic in a bad and non-theraputic setting works even better than psychotherapy because it is harder to handle and more likely to really make you want to quit. In a way it could be said that the worse the trip is the more likely you are to quit but who knows? I'm not drawing any conclusions on that.. There was a study back in the 50s or 60s in Canada where they actually tried to "scare" alcoholics out of addiction using high doses of LSD but it totally kind of backfired and it ended up (instead of scaring them) giving them these powerful almost religious type experiences but most of them did quit drinking.
Either way I'm really only interested in talking about psychedelic assisted psychotherapy not labeling them as the ultimate anti-drug addiction medicine that you just take at home and BOOM magic even though for some that's how it does work out.
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Auroraborealis I'm not arguing that psychedelic assisted psychotherapy isn't really effective but you refuse to provide the study where it was done with lsd. Also you say you don't just "drop acid" you do it with psychotherapy.
Yes that is what I say...don't just drop acid Unless you want to of course? ..I think earlier you said that was "dangerous"? I don't know what that's all about. Does using a psychedelic for addiction at your own house somehow make it more dangerous than just taking acid for no reason at your house? I don't get your logic. Are you saying it's dangerous just because they're an addict? Well then that means they're already in danger haha, what more significant "danger" can something like acid impose?
Either way I'll read your other messages in a sec (you should really keep it to one message) but anyways the reason I "refuse" to provide a study is because wtf..Look it up yourself. Do your own non-biased research there's damn studies everywhere about this crap. There was even a study done on why there isn't enough studies done on this and this stuff has been known for decades. This is why I smelled troll at first but you apparently seem to think this. What is so harmful about using Google, you said you looked and you didn't find any studies which is obviously complete crap.
I don't know why you think I just have scientific studies in my back pocket, it's just as easy for you to find them as it is for me so why do I have to do it for you? Are you that lazy? I mean the fact that you don't already know this stuff kind of says it all but w/e. I saw that study probably 2 or 3 years ago after hearing Amber Lyon talk about it so I looked it up myself. I read things and remember them. I don't know if it's the same for you but I know I don't need a fucking source for every single fact I know.
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And sorry you said 10x more effective not 25 my bad. Is all I'm saying is that it's dangerous to tell addicts that conventional treatment is 10x less effective than taking street drugs in an uncontrolled setting. I'm shocked that my opinion is a controversial one honestly
I'm shocked that you even have this opinion and once again you don't sound very experienced or maybe you're new to psychedelics I don't know what it is but many people know this. I would consider it pretty mainstream by now, btw that's YOU and no one but YOU making that assumption about an "uncontrolled setting" so drop that nonsensical argument already because you know it's not realistic. You know that's not what the implications are, come on.
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Is all saying is that it's terrible advice to suggest that treatment hardly works and that the best course of action is psychedelics,
I never said treatment "hardly works" and btw using psychedelics as a method or aid is still a "treatment". I assume you just meant traditional treatments.
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psychedelics can really fuck you up BAD if you are not ready for them. I also understand the potential value for psychedelic assisted psycotherapy but last I checked this was unfortunately not an option for literally anyone
Ha, I'm sorry did I ever say people who aren't ready for psychedelics should take them? What is with all these whacky assumptions? Are you really like this in real life? I don't know where all these random theories of yours are coming from and these strange ideas on what I'm "implying"? ..but I'm getting tried of addressing each one of them so can you stop being such a conclusion drawer and a pessimist. And what do you mean not an option for literally anyone? Because they're illegal? Well...ya... That's kinda why we talk about it
Edited by AuroraBorealis88 (01/12/17 12:22 PM)
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spaceyvibess
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#24003959 - 01/12/17 12:38 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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Well the fact that you said a bad trip in a bad setting is probably better just says it all. I met 3 people in rehab who slit both of their arms up and down while on acid or shrooms. They had a terrible trips in active addiction and tried to kill themselves. 2 have ptsd
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#24003966 - 01/12/17 12:41 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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And I've been doing psychedelics for 7 years. Acid ayahuasca shrooms cactus 25x 2cx k mxe 3meo pcp and a lot more. They did eventually help with my addiction but they have the potential to make things worse. You're first post said nothing about psycotherapy. Only that lsd was 10x more effective than treatment. That is dangerous misinformation. It has no place here
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#24003976 - 01/12/17 12:44 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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spaceyvibess said: Well the fact that you said a bad trip in a bad setting is probably better just says it all.
I never said probably man I said maybe... I said; who knows? I said I wasn't gong to draw any conclusions on that so thanks for continuing to put words into other peoples' mouths But regardless those are often the most introspective and usually the most transformative. Difficult? bad? it's really all subjective. Because maybe they actually are more effective. I said no one knows or at least that's what I clearly insinuated. Many of the people who take psychedelics in therapy actually do often have "bad" trips or difficult trips btw. "Bad" trips can often be the most healing, ..are you sure you're not new to psychedelics?
edit: Oh and P.S. As for your little rehab story...it's utter bulllshit.
Edited by AuroraBorealis88 (01/12/17 12:45 PM)
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#24003981 - 01/12/17 12:46 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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To be honest, I think that AA and NA are a waste of time.
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AuroraBorealis88
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
#24003987 - 01/12/17 12:47 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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spaceyvibess said: And I've been doing psychedelics for 7 years. Acid ayahuasca shrooms cactus 25x 2cx k mxe 3meo pcp and a lot more. They did eventually help with my addiction but they have the potential to make things worse. You're first post said nothing about psycotherapy. Only that lsd was 10x more effective than treatment. That is dangerous misinformation. It has no place here
Stop writing so many different messages. You never said how it was dangerous and also it doesn't make it worse you moron. What are you smoking crack little boy?
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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#24004005 - 01/12/17 12:51 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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You don't believe that people in terrible pain/addiction that take psychedelics in poor settings can attempt suicide?
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