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I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs!
    #23998583 - 01/10/17 05:59 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

It's true.  I don't feel addicted at all to drugs.  I think psychedelic drugs should be available to everyone to prevent drug habits waiting to happen.


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: sunshine]
    #23998599 - 01/10/17 06:02 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

What was the reaction?


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: mctaveesh]
    #23998688 - 01/10/17 06:38 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

I've thought about doing this as well. I'm just not a good speaker, but i do think people in NA and AA should know about these tools/medicines.


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: Sabnock]
    #23998771 - 01/10/17 07:05 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

I saw a lot of smiles.  Almost everyone there already knew that what I said was true.


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: sunshine]
    #23998804 - 01/10/17 07:12 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

I know I've been through one rehab and mentioned in one session that my friend came to town and had lsd and mush & that both wouldn't show up on a drug test *wink/nudge* but I was strong and overcame my urges and  didn't take any :lol:


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: sunshine]
    #23998838 - 01/10/17 07:24 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

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I saw a lot of smiles.  Almost everyone there already knew that what I said was true.



Well good for you sunshine but I tend to disagree as a general consensus of how psychedelics cure 'addiction'.


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: SavageEdibles]
    #23998845 - 01/10/17 07:26 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

Psychedelics are not stable. There is no reliability when it comes to using psychedelics, which are one of the strongest drugs.

One can have a bad trip or a good trip.
Its a roll of the dice.

Because it helped you quit addictive substances, is awesome, im sure its a great story. But that does not mean that it should be prescribed to the general populace to cure the same issue, as im sure it would be varied results.


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: Sabnock]
    #23998848 - 01/10/17 07:27 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

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I've thought about doing this as well. I'm just not a good speaker, but i do think people in NA and AA should know about these tools/medicines.




Especially since the founder of AA cured his own alcoholism with LSD.


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: mctaveesh]
    #23998856 - 01/10/17 07:29 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

I cured my own addiction without psychedelics, I cold turkeyed and withdrew from Nicotine, Opiates, Amphetamines, Benzos, and Cocaine all at the Same Time.

Last time I used psychedelics I nearly killed myself. And it opened me up to all what I just listed above.


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: SavageEdibles]
    #23998863 - 01/10/17 07:30 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

I am so anti-drug now, I drink Decaf coffee....seriously.

Willpower and assistance from above.


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: SavageEdibles]
    #23999187 - 01/10/17 09:16 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

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Psychedelics are not stable. There is no reliability when it comes to using psychedelics, which are one of the strongest drugs.

One can have a bad trip or a good trip.
Its a roll of the dice.

Because it helped you quit addictive substances, is awesome, im sure its a great story. But that does not mean that it should be prescribed to the general populace to cure the same issue, as im sure it would be varied results.




I disagree entirely. Nothing has been shown to work nearly as effectively as psychedelics for overcoming addiction and unhealthy patterns of behavior, nothing even close. Facilitating introspection hello?


Edited by AuroraBorealis88 (01/10/17 09:18 PM)


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23999200 - 01/10/17 09:19 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

I dont take caffeine.

Sorry if I came off wrong.

Psychedelics clearly have the capability to influence addiction.


I do not agree that it is a 'stable process' in doing so.
Set and Setting are not always reliable in my experience.


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: SavageEdibles]
    #23999212 - 01/10/17 09:21 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

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Set and Setting are not always reliable in my experience.




No fucking shit.


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23999221 - 01/10/17 09:24 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

" I think psychedelic drugs should be available to everyone to prevent drug habits waiting to happen. "

Psychedelic drugs are some of the hardest drugs in existence.

They, as a tool, can be used to build or to destroy. And sometimes you are not in control.

Thats my whole point here.

They will never be open to the public because of this, they are not stable or reliable.

There are far better ways to cure addiction than to use an extremely powerful substance anyways.

This is my opinion, feel free to debate.


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: SavageEdibles]
    #23999264 - 01/10/17 09:38 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

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Psychedelic drugs are some of the hardest drugs in existence.




What do you mean by this? You mean hard drugs? Because if that's true you're wrong. All traditional psychedelics are classified as soft drugs.

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They, as a tool, can be used to build or to destroy. And sometimes you are not in control.




Sometimes? I never knew there was a point at where you were "in control" I feel like if you're ever "in control" then you should most definitely up your dose.
If you're tripping for tripping's sake (that means not recreationally) then I feel you should be taking a dose that you're at least a little scared of, otherwise I don't really think you're doing it right.

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Thats my whole point here.




What is? That psychedelics are powerful? I believe that's obvious but thanks for reminding us.

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They will never be open to the public because of this, they are not stable or reliable.




Tell that to Amsterdam

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There are far better ways to cure addiction than to use an extremely powerful substance anyways.




No...there isn't. Not even close.
We already have the data so I would try a different argument.

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This is my opinion, feel free to debate.




I'm still not clear on what your point is and I suspect the "conclusions" you came to wasn't through the result of objective analysis because it isn't at all stable or non biased. You're far too caught up here in being politically correct, you may care about being politically correct but I just care about being correct.

I hate political correctness and you know why? It's not because I'm a SJW hating conservative or an arrogant bastard who likes to stir up controversy no it's being politically correct is the exact opposite of being objective and if you're that far from being objective I don't even want to talk to you.


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23999266 - 01/10/17 09:38 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

gettin trolled


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: filthyknees]
    #23999311 - 01/10/17 09:59 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

There was actually a study in Canada where they found the worst alcoholics and gave them LSD.  There was significant improvement in their way of life.  That was before LSD was illegal, I think.  I read about it in Peter Stafford's book Psychedelics.  Even one trip is helpful.


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: sunshine]
    #23999929 - 01/11/17 01:49 AM (6 months, 9 days ago)

lets see this data AuroraBorealis88


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
    #23999930 - 01/11/17 01:50 AM (6 months, 9 days ago)

they can help some people but they are hardly a cure like you say. and they really have not been studied a lot. so again lets see youre sources :smile:


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Re: I just spoke at an NA meeting and said how psychedelics helped me quit drugs! [Re: spaceyvibess]
    #23999949 - 01/11/17 02:03 AM (6 months, 9 days ago)

they assist introspective. that is it. it is the thought processes that changes the habits nothing more. the psychedelics may cause you to think more about your life and actions but they don't change your actions. I think this is an important distinction to make. I would love to know more about how they have helped you guys overcome addiction considering I know a few people interested in trying this route.
psychedelics don't stop you from drinking you do.
they may make you want to stop drinking more??? I have no first hand experience just theories based on my psychedelic experiences


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