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Re: Whats wrong with americas medical system? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#23998208 - 01/10/17 01:14 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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Psilosopherr said: Whats wrong with americas medical system?
The government is involved where they shouldn't be.
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Re: Whats wrong with americas medical system? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23998253 - 01/10/17 01:30 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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Herbal remedies aren't illegal, the medical community has bent over backwards to discredit it the last 100 years or so.
Now if they have the opportunity to make them illegal, because it might harm someone, or worse get them high, the FDA/DEA will.
And because it's not accepted medicine it's difficult to get proper dosing recommendations, to understand potential interactions, and to even get quality products. And so when people take too much of a certain herb, or it interacts with another drug or herb, they use that as proof to say they are dangerous.
Kinda the same thing with illicit drugs. They're not half as dangerous when there is accurate dosing, pure products, and responsible/monitored use. But leaving them unregulated leaves room for a fest of fuckall. And they use the natural progression of fuck all as evidence that both are evil.
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Re: Whats wrong with americas medical system? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23998302 - 01/10/17 01:49 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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If herbal remedies actually worked well, they would be pharmaceutical products.
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Re: Whats wrong with americas medical system? [Re: koods]
#23998411 - 01/10/17 02:34 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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...they are.
They just isolate the compounds from the plants. People claim that's its because you can actually patent that, and that's likely part of the reason, but really it just makes more sense from a medical science perspective.
Aspirin, for example, is extracted from willow bark. A very crude form of preparation of aspirin was used for centuries before there was "aspirin". People react different to different substances tho, and chemicals can interact with one another and all that... So the advantage of having an aspirin isolate instead of willow bark tea is that if the patient reacts badly you know it's because of the medicine you are trying to treat them with, not some other random variable found in the plant. It also cuts down the chances of there being reactions and interactions.
Another advantage of compound isolation is the ability to manipulate it to either enhance a desired effect or provide much higher doses for more potent medicine.... Instead of expecting someone to drink 5 cups of willow bark tea they take 3 aspirin pills.
There are also theoretical disadvantages to compound isolations in plants tho. I experience it because my liver sucks and my stomach sucks. Most drugs are just too potent for me. And I find that eating a plant that my body has been designed to break down after hundreds of thousands of years of evolution is often easier on me than popping those chemical isolated pills.
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Re: Whats wrong with americas medical system? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23998492 - 01/10/17 03:10 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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Usually they push the isolates that arw modified to meet criteria. Sometimes the critera is less side effect, other times it's so they can own a patent.
Most of the time drugs are some high started by natural discovery. A chemical is found in nature and that starts decades of interest. They modify that natural chem every which way til they put a patent on one that fits their dogma.
Remember in medicine, nature is usually evil culprit.
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Re: Whats wrong with americas medical system? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23998522 - 01/10/17 03:27 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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Human beings always have this idea that they can make everything better. And we often do. Ime we start fucking things up by believing things are better just because we changed them, or by continuing to change after things become as close to ideal as we can get.
Wonder bread.
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Re: Whats wrong with americas medical system? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#24006769 - 01/13/17 10:32 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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