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Got an interesting email from Amazon.com 1
#23996904 - 01/09/17 10:57 PM (7 years, 21 days ago) |
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Apparently the DEA has recognized mushroom substrate jars as a schedule 1 substance. I got an email from amazon saying they removed my listing, as seen in the image below. I was selling sterilized BRF substrate jars, nothing else. Just straight BRF and vermiculite mixture. Surprisingly lots of people were buying them and I made some good money off them. I even had a disclosure saying that they were for edible mushrooms only. Very interesting.. But hey if they say it's a schedule 1 substance then that's enough motivation for me to stop selling them and maybe lay low for a while. What do you guys think?
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: TheGoat] 3
#23996943 - 01/09/17 11:15 PM (7 years, 21 days ago) |
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Yeah, ummm, I'd say that does indeed qualify as an "interesting" email, lol.
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: Niffla]
#23996949 - 01/09/17 11:19 PM (7 years, 21 days ago) |
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That email looks kind of fake
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: The Mycologist] 5
#23997006 - 01/09/17 11:52 PM (7 years, 21 days ago) |
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I'd keep selling them. Jars with rice aren't illegal.
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: Supachopped719]
#23997048 - 01/10/17 12:13 AM (7 years, 21 days ago) |
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If i were you, I would find somewhere else to sell them..Everyone knows what they are used for, but until then it is just jars and rice.
I got a interesting email from USPS from MY USPS..
"USPS item seized by law enforcement" a little while ago. Guess you gotta love legal states not caring about personal amounts of weed.
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: Supachopped719] 1
#23997051 - 01/10/17 12:14 AM (7 years, 21 days ago) |
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Thats dumb as fuck
If thats the case I have absolutely no clue how bongs arent illegal. Bongs can be used to smoke anything, just as sterilized jars can be used to grow anything
Here's my theory. Amazon likes to cover there ass, so even though your jars arent illegal, they're not allowing you to sell them. Just like they pulled almost, if not all, kratom listings
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: TheGoat]
#23997090 - 01/10/17 12:46 AM (7 years, 21 days ago) |
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Those bastards! 
Ive seen some jars on eBay, im thinking of buying some just for kicks, hope they dont go illegal there too!
Maybe u need to rename the posting or just sell the jars as if they were empty then include the mixture "for free"
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: TheGoat]
#23997111 - 01/10/17 01:02 AM (7 years, 21 days ago) |
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Pretty sure what you are doing isn't illegal, so I don't know how that is possible.
Probably not worth hiring a lawyer over but seems like BS. Also are you sure the email is legit? Did you email back or phone amazon to check in on the matter?
No idea why someone would do that but as another member mentioned it does kinda look fake.
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: TheGoat]
#23997165 - 01/10/17 02:04 AM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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Did they actually remove it? There's nothing illegal or schedule one about sterilized brown rice and vermiculite. Email does look kinda fake. If it was actually amazon and they were actually forcing you to remove your listing because it's "DRUGS" I'd think they would probably fucking do that themselves not say please comply in 48 hours
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: Shroomism]
#23997179 - 01/10/17 02:12 AM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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From what I understand certain items that are technically perfectly legal, such as microgram scales, are heavily watched by the DEA, it's possible they might have added products like these jars to that list of watched items too.
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: Crystal G] 2
#23997210 - 01/10/17 02:48 AM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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It's possible. But you can still buy Naphtha and Lye and Glass Turkey basters and San Pedro and Mimosa Hostilis and they all show up in related items LOL I would think an official Amazon email would be worded a bit differently than that. Or if it actually violated their terms they would remove it themselves. I could be wrong. But the wording is kind of jacked up. It's most definitely not a schedule 1 controlled substance. Now if they said something about possible manufacturing or something.. If it is Amazon, that's a piss poor template. If it's a spoof... probably some competitor or something.
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: Shroomism]
#23997216 - 01/10/17 02:52 AM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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I'm guessing somebody flagged OP and Amazon sent some kind of warning without bothering to look through the listing. I would try to write an appeal or send an email to the proper channels to get this sorted out. Don't just delete the listing without getting to the bottom of this first.
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: Crystal G]
#23997218 - 01/10/17 02:55 AM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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Ya that could very well be the case. There's nothing illegal about sterilized substrate so I would definitely go through the proper channels if it is real.
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: TheGoat]
#23997232 - 01/10/17 03:07 AM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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So i looked up that link: https://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cfr/cfr/1308/1308_11.htm
Looks legit. Has a long list of sch 1 substances including Psilocybin and psilocin. And since mycelium contains both, PF jars can make those amazing chemicals.
Its either this scammer did their homework or it really is from the DEA.
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#23997237 - 01/10/17 03:10 AM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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How is it a scammer though? They aren't asking for money or your password or anything, right?
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: Crystal G] 1
#23997242 - 01/10/17 03:12 AM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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Could be OPs competition and they are trying to scare OP cause he's encroching on their terroritory
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#23997247 - 01/10/17 03:16 AM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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Ah, okay, that kind of scammer. Yeah, could be. Well, a simple email or phone call to Amazon should sort this issue out.
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: Crystal G] 1
#23997293 - 01/10/17 04:16 AM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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Just double click "amazon services" and see where the email is actually from
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: ModestMouse]
#23997343 - 01/10/17 05:32 AM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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ModestMouse said: Just double click "amazon services" and see where the email is actually from
This
If it was actually amazon, it would say @amazon.com in the email address
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#23997462 - 01/10/17 07:25 AM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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Only noobs buy those premade pf jars. What kind of musbroom grower would want substrate jars that have lost their ideal particle density and consistency from being tossed around in the mail?! Only nubs
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: Shroomism]
#23997473 - 01/10/17 07:35 AM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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Shroomism said: Did they actually remove it? There's nothing illegal or schedule one about sterilized brown rice and vermiculite. Email does look kinda fake.
I don't see how simple brown rice flour and verm. can be classified as a schedule I substances. I think that email is not legit either.
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: Crystal G]
#23997481 - 01/10/17 07:40 AM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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Crystal G said: From what I understand certain items that are technically perfectly legal, such as microgram scales, are heavily watched by the DEA, it's possible they might have added products like these jars to that list of watched items too.
I don't think microgram scales are watched. They are just hella expensive (for a proper one)
Glassware is most certainly watched but there is a big difference between glassware used to make meth or something and a dozen pint jars from your local grocery store.
I can't see how adding 2 legal items to these jars could make it illegal. There is tons of places that sell these, and shroomery sponsors too. I'm certain they all pay their share of taxes and declare their income.
@ OP
Seems like it could be a competitor, I have a feeling as the email looks fake, if not, I would still try to challenge Amazon on the matter, cause that is bull shit. Unless you are selling jars that you have injected with illegal spores then there is nothing going on here violating any laws.
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: Shroomism] 1
#23997495 - 01/10/17 07:47 AM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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Shroomism said: ...probably some competitor or something.
Yeah. If OP aint trolloling us, maybe another shroomery member is trolloling him. A competitor. or...it's the Ruskies... cyber attack! DUCK Quack
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: deucedbi9]
#23997526 - 01/10/17 08:07 AM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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It's definitely a competitior. Amazon would remove the listing themselves if it was real. I just looked on amazon, there's tons of people selling these jars, even with pictures of colonizing mycelium in the jars. Those adds would have been removed too if amazon was cracking down on that. I also just tried to google if jars are actually schedule 1 and could not find anything about that
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: trees]
#23997532 - 01/10/17 08:10 AM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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There's no way jars are schedule 1 and there is no way that their purchase is monitored, even sterilized ones used for mush growing. Not a chance.
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#23997562 - 01/10/17 08:32 AM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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Maybe the OP's 'cyber-space' activity has linked him to the Shroomery! Break out the tin foil hats geezers. You knew it was coming. Don't post your felonies on the interwebs. Goes back to look at own gallery.
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: OliverJames]
#23997570 - 01/10/17 08:38 AM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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OliverJames said: Thats dumb as fuck
If thats the case I have absolutely no clue how bongs arent illegal. Bongs can be used to smoke anything, just as sterilized jars can be used to grow anything
Here's my theory. Amazon likes to cover there ass, so even though your jars arent illegal, they're not allowing you to sell them. Just like they pulled almost, if not all, kratom listings
This basically.
There's a list of like the 10 weirdest things banned on Amazon I watched on YouTube. One of them was a shirt that said "I love [some German scientist]" who wasn't really affiliated with the Nazi party but Amazon pulled it for that reason. Like he was the guy designing doomsday devices or something 
Amazon got complaints, they're a large enough business to heed complaints and not lose much more than a few dimes. They don't care how valid the complaints are. They care about the distant potential of trouble. And anyone claiming their vendors are selling illegal products will definitely have them hopping.
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: TheGoat]
#23997578 - 01/10/17 08:43 AM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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Take note that its the Controlled Substances Act.
That is, by law, only chemical "substances" are scheduled (for the most part). I believe there are three "plants" in the CSA.
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: badchad]
#23997583 - 01/10/17 08:46 AM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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Are microgram scales and glassware really watched? Sources/proof?
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: TheGoat]
#23998893 - 01/10/17 05:40 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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Did you click the link in the Email?
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: SavageEdibles] 1
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MHRB is also legal. and look at what happened to that
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: blackhawk]
#23999126 - 01/10/17 07:03 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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Its because an extremely powerful drug is extracted from MHRB, what do you think would happen?
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: SavageEdibles]
#23999142 - 01/10/17 07:06 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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maybe people were using it for dyes
I just think people posing images of their brf jars colonizing on amazon is stupid
mushrooms can get pretty powerful, too
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: blackhawk]
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blackhawk said: MHRB is also legal. and look at what happened to that
People say that a lot, but it contains DMT and that is illegal.
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: blackhawk]
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Yea well Good Luck explaining to the DEA that your just using 'MHRB' for dyes as you have all the chemicals needed to extract the damn bark right infront of you.
I get it about the mushrooms too, thats not far down the road from being banned IMO either. However, the difference between mushrooms and MHRB is MHRB is imported from South America, and mushrooms grow everywhere in this world.
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: blackhawk]
#23999173 - 01/10/17 07:13 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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I mean, the only thing seperating a PF jar from being illegal is some spores.
PF jars have only one legit use: spawning cubenis spores.
And PF has been on the internet since the 70s, im not surprized the DEA finally caught on.
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: sh4d0ws]
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Crystal G said: From what I understand certain items that are technically perfectly legal, such as microgram scales, are heavily watched by the DEA, it's possible they might have added products like these jars to that list of watched items too.
I don't think microgram scales are watched. They are just hella expensive (for a proper one)
They are watched, even buying one off eBay gets you put on some kind of watch list
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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Other mushrooms can be grown with the PF Tek jars I believe. Portobello is what they used in the RR Vids irrc.
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: Supachopped719]
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yah, but its like the MHRB and dye thing. Sure, some people use MHRB as dye, but MOST people use it for DMT extraction.
Is a bong really for tobacco?
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#23999420 - 01/10/17 08:30 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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Seems like OP is trolling to reduce competition: lol:
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: ModestMouse]
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Didnt think about that.
OP, u are a GENIUS.
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It is different though. Mimosa is a precursor. It actually has illegal drugs inside it.
The jars are just farming equipment. There are people who grow gourmet mushrooms all over.
I went to a farmers market and these people had booth with a bunch of "organic home grown" mushrooms of many varieties. They were kinda pricey, it were selling nicely.
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: Supachopped719]
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But people who grow gourmet mushrooms dont use PF jars, they use straw bags or straw logs.
and MHRB is a very direct precursor as it contains DMT trapped inside the bark, not a DMT precursor that needs chemical synthesis.
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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LogicaL Chaos said: But people who grow gourmet mushrooms dont use PF jars, they use straw bags or straw logs.
and MHRB is a very direct precursor as it contains DMT trapped inside the bark, not a DMT precursor that needs chemical synthesis.
Yeah precursor is not really the right word there. It already contains an illegal drug. IMO he was right in pointing out that your comparison was pretty strained though.
If the message is legit then it may stem from confusion between colonized and uncolonized substrate. If it was colonized then (IIRC) there could be detectable amounts of illegal drugs present. Maybe someone can correct me on that point but I thought I remembered reading that there was at least some psilocin/psilocybin from pretty early on.
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Re: Got an interesting email from Amazon.com [Re: TheGoat]
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you could always just sell the substrate and the jars separately? Seems kind of bogus to me. I would probably do some research to see if those things are actually scheduled... and if not, sell away!
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