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Virtue Signalling in the Post Truth Age - an essay I wrote today
    #23993748 - 01/08/17 08:44 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

Virtue Signalling in the Post Truth Age

Observant readers may have noticed an increased awareness of a social phenomenon that has come to be known as ‘virtue signalling.’ This is exactly what is says it is – an attempt on the part of the person expressing themselves to enhance their social standing among the listeners by advocating a particular political viewpoint, and ostensibly on the grounds that it is the morally correct thing to do.

The most recognisable recent example of virtue signalling was all the people who expressed support for allowing Syrian refugees into their country as the Syrian Civil War accelerated.

What made this virtue signalling, as opposed to a genuine regard for the well-being of the Syrians, is that very few of the people making noise about the refugees actually gave half a fuck about them one way or another. This was evident in two major ways.

The first was that the virtue signallers were mostly young, fashionable people who wouldn’t be seen dead with a refugee or in the kind of neighbourhood that the refugees are going to end up in if they are accepted. Very rarely did any of these people actually volunteer time to refugee services.

The second was that the virtue signallers, rather than making any effort to ensure that anything good happened to the Syrians, simply moved onto the next opportunity to signal virtue (which was opposing Brexit, and then opposing Trump).

These two points explain why, once the refugees are let in, they’re inevitably dumped in a cheap neighbourhood or suburb and forgotten about.

Virtue signalling has always existed. In fact, it is a part of nature. Darwin himself realised that the extravagant, luxurious tail of the peacock was a significant survival disadvantage as it was a beacon for predators and made it harder to escape them. Such a sight could only have evolved if there was some compensatory mechanism, such as if presence of a glorious tail attracted females to a degree that outweighed the increased death rate from having to bear it.

Virtue signalling signals more than just virtue. It also signals being part of the leisure classes, which necessitates the expression of contempt for the labouring classes and their unfashionable and brutal politics and desire for neighbourhood solidarity.

Virtue signalling can therefore be a statement of belonging.

In our society, being cluelessly out of touch with reality is seen by some as a virtue. It suggests that one is from a family wealthy enough to have shielded one from the harsh realities of life, and that one has enough leisure time to indulge in truly wasteful peccadilloes like advocating for the conquest of the West by a hostile foreign ideology.

Note that this has always existed in the human sphere – the previous generation of virtue signallers made a show out of advocating for communism, for the same reasons their descendants advocate for mass Muslim immigration. The generation before that signalled virtue by appeasing Hitler and claiming this was motivated by a sensitivity to the value of peace.

Unfortunately, there is now so much virtue signalling that when someone expresses a political opinion, the listener actually has no idea at all whether this opinion is genuinely believed, or if it is merely a brazen attempt to ingratiate the speaker with the sort of person the speaker presumes will agree with that opinion.

This would explain why mass Muslim immigration has such passionate apparent support from homosexuals, even though Muslims would gladly throw those same homosexuals off the top of buildings as soon as they were given the opportunity.

It may be that what is being signalled is not ‘virtue’ but rather a masculine or feminine orientation. So that a person against mass Muslim immigration is rather expressing themselves in a masculine manner, like when people advocate exercise, and anyone for it is expressing themselves in a feminine manner, like when people advocate veganism.

In the Post Truth Age, you can never take anything at face value, not even your own desires.

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I was inspired to write this because I have encountered even more of the usual SJW shit recently, which I thought would go away with Hillary's loss, but which has rather strengthened.


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Re: Virtue Signalling in the Post Truth Age - an essay I wrote today [Re: viktor]
    #23993901 - 01/08/17 09:46 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

I get that refugees are in heinous circumstances but I do wonder how they will be housed when they come to new countries.

I'm in Australia and I don't think there's much extra infrastructure to house them, that said maybe we just need to start building in the desert/rural areas more :shrug:

We're in uncharted waters with Trump and apparently he has a billion dollars in debt to Wall Street and around 150 other constituents. 



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Re: Virtue Signalling in the Post Truth Age - an essay I wrote today [Re: sudly]
    #23993925 - 01/08/17 09:56 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

My understanding is that Aussie is pretty keen on not encouraging ten or twenty million Indonesians from crossing that thin strip of ocean between them and the NT.


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Re: Virtue Signalling in the Post Truth Age - an essay I wrote today [Re: viktor]
    #23993946 - 01/08/17 10:07 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

Yeah, I chatted with a girl a while back who was marrying an Aussie with a good job, and she almost wasn't able to get in. Australia is hard as fuck to get into for an outsider. (For reasons which lately can be seen to make a lot of sense).


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Re: Virtue Signalling in the Post Truth Age - an essay I wrote today [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23993958 - 01/08/17 10:13 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

We have plenty of space in Australia just few houses/people.

Most of our population is along the coast so that parts already kinda full.
It's also one reason why we can't have nuclear power here because we don't have enough space along the coast for it to get a water supply and if we did it'd be too close to the public and would raise major safety concerns.

Good thing by 2030 we may have fusion power which doesn't carry the same risks of nuclear meltdowns because it can be turned of 'relatively' safely and simply.

Either way though by then I'll probably be in Germany licking snow and using their fusion power.


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Re: Virtue Signalling in the Post Truth Age - an essay I wrote today [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #23993965 - 01/08/17 10:16 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

We should be ashamed of our immigration policy.
While I liked your post Victor it would seem to me that you are desperately trying to rationalize other people's empathy due to a lack of understanding.
Also the stereotypical assertion that all refugees are fundamentalist muslims who want to throw people to their death does nothing for your case.


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Re: Virtue Signalling in the Post Truth Age - an essay I wrote today [Re: pineninja]
    #23994128 - 01/08/17 11:48 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

The vast majority of Muslims believe that the Koran is the literal word of God.

One day we're going to be forced to face up to that fact whether we like it or not.

Thanks for not virtue signalling by calling me a Nazi tho.


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Re: Virtue Signalling in the Post Truth Age - an essay I wrote today [Re: viktor] * 1
    #23994304 - 01/09/17 02:24 AM (7 years, 21 days ago)

In California people will put up solar panels on the shadier side of their house because it's the street side, so people will be ale to see it....  Or you can drive a Prius and claim you did it for fuel efficiency, yet there are a whole lot of other hybrid cars out there with more competitive pricing, but man does it have a unique form that just screams your environmental concerns.  Conspicuous consumption usually takes the cake, but I don't blame anyone for finding conspicuous conservation obnoxious....  Just because somebody has noted this phenomenon, doesn't assure me in the slightest that they are free of it.


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Re: Virtue Signalling in the Post Truth Age - an essay I wrote today [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #23994335 - 01/09/17 03:07 AM (7 years, 21 days ago)

Society is a fucking charade and it's not supposed to be there.

If they want to be robots to keep my food and water supply alive, good on them.

This is a multidimensional wilderness. I don't know where I am right now but it is beautiful.


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Re: Virtue Signalling in the Post Truth Age - an essay I wrote today [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23994928 - 01/09/17 11:31 AM (7 years, 21 days ago)

I think it is the male peacock that displays Viktor, fyi. The only reason I know is there was a place I'd go out in California (pretty off grid), where a guy had a few in a pen for show. Go figure I guess? I loved wwoofing and farming in California though, even if we were always working near and with the LA types.

Anyway good post, on the peacock idea. Biologically, we can see that sexual expression (as a "possible-displaying" of something) is advantageous as a trait to a species in peacocks. Good thing we can keep our feathers down ey?

For there to be signaling of virtue, is there a possibility of genuine or phenotypal function under it (as a possible displaying), even if showing it is only a symptom of opulence to our age?

The idea of a trait of virtue; a trait that is displayed, a display that is interpreted as either a symptom or genuine way of being, is a good metaphor for philosophy...


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Re: Virtue Signalling in the Post Truth Age - an essay I wrote today [Re: Kurt]
    #23997792 - 01/10/17 10:33 AM (7 years, 20 days ago)

A Critique of Utilitarian Ethics.
(eg. What happened to Virtue Ethicists?)

What I notice today is that ethical standards seem to have become focused upon a larger sphere; the increasingly far reaching and implicit or complicit means and ends of our lives. Means and ends, thought and action, are not usually considered as embodied rationalizations, like in the Platonic or Aristotelian sense, but usually as either detached fragmented utilities we can either get ahold of and make work for us, or implicitly, power plays that are found relative to interest and ideology.

The end of an action, might be considered "utilitarian" when it is found in a sphere “a good to the aggregate of all persons,”  according to Jeremy Bentham, the famous Utilitarian. In other words, "it is the greatest happiness of the greatest number that is the measure of right and wrong." Add up the general happiness and subtract the suffering of sentient beings, and you get the evaluation of the largest potential sphere of an ethical system. Wikipedia defines utilitarianism as "an ethical theory that states that the best action is the one that maximizes utility... 'Utility' is defined in various ways, usually in terms of the well-being of sentient entities, such as human beings and other animals."

I don't think it is possible to say in our day and age that there is something wrong with this. The plus side of a modern utilitarian world is it is ostensibly a very democratic ethical system, in weighing things equally, and in considering social justice as the highest concern of all people in any given act. And justice and justification has been central concern both of truth and moral philosophy since Plato, so I don't think this priority can just be looked away from. But the down side of our modern utilitarian world is real too. One tendency is that as the sphere of our means and ends widens in terms of more abstract implications and complicit involvements in the world, it detaches the ethical evaluation of what is good or just from actual individual human beings and finds it more in these systems of utilities.

For instance, language is a good example of something that is "used", and which we must use correctly, (a common issue on both the left and right in different ways) because it is a sphere we are all implicitly and complicitly meeting and representing ourselves in. Language is superficial, but in symbol is representing the far reaching implied consequences of ones way of being in a vast interconnected sphere.

The internet has seemingly radicalized this complicitness to language manifoldly, by interconnecting us more in our expressions. I wonder how many so called "PC issues" one way or another grew out of a back and forth on the internet?

We are more detached from ethical standards in our abstracted utilities. The sphere of how one lives one's own life, and learns and masters a skill, or do something well, or how one helps a friend, all that was traditionally thought to be virtue, is seemingly less relavent or not thought to be something we humans stand for. Means and ends like these seem to be less relavent, anyway, comparably to how we participate in a structured value system and sphere of more abstracted and disembodied ideological means and end, as such.

My thought is, would it be possible to balance virtue ethics and utilitarianism? I think there was something at least suggestive in a platonic good or in Aristotelianism; something about what it means to be a rational being open to reason, first of all in regards to oneself, and in that, in doing the "right thing", in one's practices and pursuits in the world.

My view if this sounds strange, is that it is not that the early virtue ethicists were naive or simplistic, in thinking of things like that, but they did not apparently take into account a huge interconnected web of implied, structured and mechanical relations of the modern world as if this was always rhe implied consequence, or rafher the complicitness in which one's actions were found. In virtue ethics, the sphere of thought and action is just smaller and more face to face, mainly. It would be more likely to gather something from each other. In a predominantly utilitarian ethic, our intellect and conscience is drawn into discussions of how in the broadest sphere we consume and participate, in vast ideological machines, and how one represents oneself (if at all usually in critique) in an increasingly global, industrial and technological sphere.

So my thought is balance. To me, the utilitarian who emphasizes being aware of things like consumerism, environmental impact, and politically correct language, always in the largest sphere, can make sense, but it can't be an absolute, or simple position. For instance if you can give just a dollar thirty-five a day to save a starving child in Africa, how many times and in how many similar charitable groups and how many of these implicit and complicit relations in general should we consider ourselves involved with? Thinking in a utilitarian way reduces itself to absurdity, or deconstructs if there is not a baseline psychological geounding of it. And the only thing that seems to hold the idea together is a post-christian conscience. Or maybe it is a more simple judgement. Could it be that this utilitarianism is almost entirely for potential philanthropists like Bill Gates, where some of us focus on our own simpler plots of life for the most part?

I think people should talk about a kind of philosophical conservativism. Philosophical conservativism would mean recalling virtue ethics, and a deflationary view to politics in general. I would consider myself socially liberal, in that sense but I would be philosophically conservative in my sphere, if such statements could be made in our present discourses.

Hope this fits the topic, cheers.


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Re: Virtue Signalling in the Post Truth Age - an essay I wrote today [Re: Kurt]
    #23998469 - 01/10/17 02:58 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

When the SHTF, your words will mean not only nothing, but less than nothing.  Truth will be a reality not based in words, let alone blah blah blah blah.


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Re: Virtue Signalling in the Post Truth Age - an essay I wrote today [Re: LunarEclipse] * 1
    #23999055 - 01/10/17 06:44 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

To get beyond theory, the real question is of the immediate which would actually be this conversation itself. If you're attempting to rationalize an element of irrationalism, and bring this noise, into a level headed discussion, how should we interpret this here and now?

It seems like a generally anti-intellectual attitude you've adopted which is hardly worth justifying in theory.

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By averageness and leveling down, everything gets obscured, and what has thus been covered up gets passed off as something familiar and accessible to everyone... by virtue of an insensitivity to all distinctions... providing average intelligibility opens up a standard world in which all distinctions between the unique and the general, the superior and the average, the important and the trivial have been leveled

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Re: Virtue Signalling in the Post Truth Age - an essay I wrote today [Re: viktor] * 1
    #23999699 - 01/10/17 10:15 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

Quote:

viktor said:
Thanks for not virtue signalling by calling me a Nazi tho.



and what was that? ^ not virtue signalling?

lol, sorry.

erm.

yeah, i agree with pineninja. you lack understanding...you need some Binah with your Gevurah.

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LunarEclipse said:
When the SHTF, your words will mean not only nothing, but less than nothing.  Truth will be a reality not based in words, let alone blah blah blah blah.



words are tantamount to reality...in terms of creation and creating a path to destruction.

the destruction though, only truly, with violence.

do you want to see that sort of communication used more?

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One person can head a rebellion, but one person cannot head this leveling process, for that would make him a leader and he would avoid being leveled. Each individual can in his little circle participate in this leveling, but it is an abstract process, and leveling is abstraction conquering individuality.




nobody in this "Post-Truth Age" has any culpability.


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Re: Virtue Signalling in the Post Truth Age - an essay I wrote today [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24011631 - 01/15/17 09:42 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)

People would rather believe in what is fashionable to those around them than find the truth.


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