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Confessions of a witch doctor
    #23992686 - 01/08/17 03:07 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

My wife has a friend that before she came over was told pretty much as such. If ya wants to know more ask.


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Re: Confessions of a witch doctor [Re: psilly the kid]
    #23994285 - 01/09/17 01:59 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

I'm a witchdoctor so, hi :smile:


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Re: Confessions of a witch doctor [Re: Asante]
    #23994662 - 01/09/17 09:20 AM (7 years, 21 days ago)

Omg well that's not what I am exactly but I gueSs that's as close as it comes I guess. I think it would be more voodoo and you know things that work ,do.those that don't wellll  don't I call myself a gnostic Christian maybe a chaos mage.
Whatever I don't care what the label is. All hail probability.

What capacity do you serve as a witch doctor


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Re: Confessions of a witch doctor [Re: psilly the kid]
    #23995055 - 01/09/17 12:11 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

My witch is sick. Can you fix her?


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Re: Confessions of a witch doctor [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #23995085 - 01/09/17 12:21 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

Witch-hazel might straighten up a wilted witch.


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Re: Confessions of a witch doctor [Re: Asante]
    #23996254 - 01/09/17 07:05 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

which doctor are you again?


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Re: Confessions of a witch doctor [Re: psilly the kid]
    #23997303 - 01/10/17 04:31 AM (7 years, 20 days ago)

Sorry but a "Chaos Mage" who is a Witchdoctor?

Witches = Chaos/Disorder/Evil
Witchdoctor = Unification/Order/Good

If you are a chaos mage you are a warlock, not a witchdoctor :ifyoucanawe:

A witchdoctor is someone who fixes the hexes, curses and vexes and other mischief done by evil witches.

I'm on the side of Good because, someone has to and it is me.

Step into my office.





Beneath everything is a battle between Good and Evil. Evil lies in the past, Good lies in the future.

I'm a Nganga in the army of the Unifying God.

I deal less with healing people (but I do) and far more with balancing the Spirit World and the Earthly. I deal with the worlds more than individuals. I'm the lightning rod for the energies to discharge through upward and downward.

I'm a node in the spiritual network of Good, the energies that flow through me, focus through me, affect many.

Fighting Evil the ancient Congolese way.
In this world that increasingly denies the objective existence of Good and Evil, someone has to.
Good called upon me.
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Re: Confessions of a witch doctor [Re: Asante]
    #23997388 - 01/10/17 06:20 AM (7 years, 20 days ago)

witches can be benevolent too :smile: unfortunately they were demonized, and we know how that turned out...


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Re: Confessions of a witch doctor [Re: deff]
    #23997469 - 01/10/17 07:30 AM (7 years, 20 days ago)

Why does everyone assume chaos is only a destructive force.what is more chaotic than life.


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Re: Confessions of a witch doctor [Re: psilly the kid]
    #23997520 - 01/10/17 08:02 AM (7 years, 20 days ago)

Chaos is lack of associations, so I don't think chaos exists except as a label for something.


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Re: Confessions of a witch doctor [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #23997636 - 01/10/17 09:14 AM (7 years, 20 days ago)

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Chaos is lack of associations, so I don't think chaos exists except as a label for something.





If you fail to associate with Good then what's your alignment and who will be there for you when the forces of Evil make a move on you?

Satan churches are preaching that there is no God and no Devil and to sever all your ties. What could be their agenda? They separate you from your protectors and you are free for the grabbing.

There is no neutral. If you do not particularly align with Good or Evil, you are not Good.


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Re: Confessions of a witch doctor [Re: Asante]
    #23997852 - 01/10/17 10:58 AM (7 years, 20 days ago)

I didn't say anything about alignment. And God is defiantly real. The creator is awake and alive in every drawn breath and every tic in the motion of the universe

And fine I usually introduce myself as a wizard


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Re: Confessions of a witch doctor [Re: psilly the kid]
    #23998587 - 01/10/17 04:00 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

If it wasn't associated with freedom , Aleister Crowley's -'Do what you will, shall be the whole of the law'- is as close to actual chaos as it gets, I think.


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Re: Confessions of a witch doctor [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #23998592 - 01/10/17 04:01 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

Anarchists agree


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Re: Confessions of a witch doctor [Re: Asante]
    #24003876 - 01/12/17 11:53 AM (7 years, 18 days ago)

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Chaos is lack of associations, so I don't think chaos exists except as a label for something.





If you fail to associate with Good then what's your alignment and who will be there for you when the forces of Evil make a move on you?

Satan churches are preaching that there is no God and no Devil and to sever all your ties. What could be their agenda? They separate you from your protectors and you are free for the grabbing.

There is no neutral. If you do not particularly align with Good or Evil, you are not Good.




Have a tendency to think of Good/Evil and Chaos/Order as two different aspects of alignment.
Too much Dungeons and Dragons sort of thing.

My alignment tends to be Chaotic Neutral but have spent enough of my life as Neutral Evil to get an internal sense of how they differ.

It is more difficult for me to transition to the Chaotic Good end of the spectrum, as any efforts made toward altruistic actions toward others tend to be confounded by lingering selfish tendencies.
It's somewhat aspirational as a position for me, but the real-world equivalent of an RPG alignment shift is a pretty drawn out process of retraining perceptions and habits.


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Re: Confessions of a witch doctor [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #24006162 - 01/13/17 03:38 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Ah, D&D Alignment..

I'm Lawful Good. yes, really. I'm that guy.



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Re: Confessions of a witch doctor [Re: deff]
    #24006165 - 01/13/17 03:43 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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witches can be benevolent too :smile: unfortunately they were demonized, and we know how that turned out...





In the African system if you are active you either are a Witch or a Witchdoctor. A good witch would be a witchdoctor.

Wiccans adopted the the name "witch" without realizing what it stood for.

They actually stole babies to boil for their fat and cut off the limbs and genitals of children for use in black magic. They still do in Africa.


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Re: Confessions of a witch doctor [Re: Asante]
    #24006203 - 01/13/17 04:29 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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Ah, D&D Alignment..

I'm Lawful Good. yes, really. I'm that guy.






:headbang3:

Someone's got to be.
Prefer it be you rather than me.:cool:


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Re: Confessions of a witch doctor [Re: Tantrika]
    #24007069 - 01/13/17 12:37 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

So for you the world is black and white with no grey. I don't think I could ever see the world like that.it's like taking the gradient of human expirence for granted.


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Re: Confessions of a witch doctor [Re: psilly the kid]
    #24007171 - 01/13/17 01:26 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

For the mystic or yogi, mostly it seems the preference would be beyond the qualities, and interesting is that goodness generally is said to happen spontaneously, incidental to purification of consciousness, or the abiding in that natural state.


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Re: Confessions of a witch doctor [Re: psilly the kid]
    #24007227 - 01/13/17 01:54 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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So for you the world is black and white with no grey. I don't think I could ever see the world like that.it's like taking the gradient of human expirence for granted.




No?
My view fully recognizes the capacity for humans to change over time,
and that there is no real black or white as each end of either given spectrum holds a gradient to it.
The typical character does not dramatically jump around the general classifications though -- jumping around alignment tendencies dramatically is the realm of the Chaotic Neutral person. :wink:

Plus it is just a system of archetypes for designing characters pulled into the conversation for fun, people are always more complex than overarching principles. :lol:

Perhaps you had meant for your comment to be in reply to someone else?


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Re: Confessions of a witch doctor [Re: psilly the kid]
    #24007328 - 01/13/17 02:22 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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So for you the world is black and white with no grey. I don't think I could ever see the world like that.it's like taking the gradient of human expirence for granted.





If you have the duality of Light and Dark, gray would be "dimly lit".

If you are "neutral to Good and Evil" you simply are "Not strongly aligned to Good."

If you don't embrace Good or Evil but just do as you please, you are an opportunist.


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Re: Confessions of a witch doctor [Re: Asante]
    #24007389 - 01/13/17 02:39 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

chaotic good, i like this term, it fits me well, do good or else lol.

from my understanding isn't good and evil just perspectives?

everything has a roll to play.


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Re: Confessions of a witch doctor [Re: Asante]
    #24008841 - 01/14/17 04:06 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

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Do potentially have a question or three with regards to your Nkondi if it is okay.

Have seen you mention a spirit guide in the past; are the two synonymous, or is there two figures?

Then the next two are kind of related to the answer of that one but...
If my recollection is correct you work with a trickster archetype on some level, right?
and if so,
how do you make use of trickster energy with a larger orientation towards order -- my own experience with trickster archetypes has not tended towards such, though I do fully recognize how trickster energies can be applied nobly or towards Good.

My mind got kind of pondering when you mentioned opportunistic tendencies -- my selection of silver to put aside is a small silver praying mantis medallion, which I kind of consider to be a camouflaged trickster and opportunistic hunter.
But it is to my comprehension that in the traditions of the Kalahari (which I do recognize you may have less familiarity with than the path that chose you) Kaang is simultaneously a creator deity and as well as associated with trickster energy via mantis and caterpillars.

In your familiarity with African traditions, is trickster energy more of an ordering and creative force? 
Or do you work with such energies as a sort of balance to be able to reach a broader group?
Or...perhaps some other reason entirely, am certain this post has become a bit of a confused mess.

Sorry to be a pest. :heart:


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Re: Confessions of a witch doctor [Re: Tantrika]
    #24008972 - 01/14/17 06:32 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

I have several spirit guides but my most consulted one is my Nkondi. he and I have the strongest association.

He is a trickster, yes, in the tradition of the Spider Anansi, he teaches not directly by telling you how it is but by telling you all sorts of things, that interact with you, and you learning the lessons yourself based on the interaction. He'll let you learn your own lessons, sometimes the easy way, sometimes the hard way. What he does is always in my interest though.

A trickster spirit is a kind of personality type. Read up on Anansi, you'll get a good idea about what its at. Tricksters are smart, cunning, but not necessarily evil.

Its how he is. My element is Sulfur :sulfur: and this is associated with Good AND Evil as well as the immortal human soul. I think that for this reason, a trickster spirit is the ideal companion.


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Re: Confessions of a witch doctor [Re: Asante]
    #24008991 - 01/14/17 06:51 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Thank you for that, the mention of Anansi was helpful twofold -- formost because it gave me a bit of a smile as it reminded me of stories from my youth (partially remember one about how he refused to eat until the eighth day after an event),
going to have to go back and read over some again.:smile:
but also because of his representation as a spider -- a weaver; one who intertwines destinies and fates.
Which provides a more ordered perspective on things -- a tug on the web here impacts things there, because all is interconnected.

My exposure to trickster spirits is more predominately localized -- namely the energies of coyote and crow
but then the mantis has also been a frequent recurrence in my life, hence my selection of silver; it seemed fitting.

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Re: Confessions of a witch doctor [Re: Tantrika]
    #24008995 - 01/14/17 06:55 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Could you suggest more reading on African practices and traditions


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Re: Confessions of a witch doctor [Re: psilly the kid]
    #24008999 - 01/14/17 06:58 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

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So for you the world is black and white with no grey. I don't think I could ever see the world like that.it's like taking the gradient of human expirence for granted.





If you have the duality of Light and Dark, gray would be "dimly lit".

If you are "neutral to Good and Evil" you simply are "Not strongly aligned to Good."

If you don't embrace Good or Evil but just do as you please, you are an opportunist.



I don't do as I please I may only do for others never myself. Thems the rules for me.


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Re: Confessions of a witch doctor [Re: psilly the kid]
    #24009160 - 01/14/17 08:44 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

I'm generally happiest in interactions with people where I provide what they need and they reciprocate by providing what I need.

I guess the same applies to you.


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Re: Confessions of a witch doctor [Re: Asante]
    #24009970 - 01/14/17 02:52 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Yes you hit it right on the head.
When I say chaos magus I only mean that I have forged my own beliefs from many sources.


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