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Do you think science can explain part of the psychedelic experience?
    #23991544 - 01/08/17 02:47 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Do you think psychedelics can show you real worlds or do you think if studies were done, science can explain how it effects you mentally?

Another way to ask this, how would you explain some common occurences with psychedelics such as seeing mechanical elves on dmt, do you think it is how the chemical effects your brain or that it's showing you something that exists outside of the mind?

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Re: Do you think science can explain part of the psychedelic experience? [Re: skatealex2] * 1
    #23991557 - 01/08/17 03:09 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I would say it could to an extant much of what is explained through "science" usually doesnt touch the spiritual side of existence. I think that is a major part of the spychedelic state even though some dont experience anything spiritual. Of course this just my opinion...


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Re: Do you think science can explain part of the psychedelic experience? [Re: alfonseelrick] * 1
    #23991564 - 01/08/17 03:15 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I've had spiritual experiences but I think all that comes from within, not from the outside. I feel like I'm journeying through my brain like an age old crypt. I definitely think science could explain this experience, it's "just" a chemical reaction that happens. Whenever you experience entities I believe they represent some part of yourself.


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Re: Do you think science can explain part of the psychedelic experience? [Re: skatealex2] * 1
    #23991789 - 01/08/17 08:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yes.  We know that psilocybin, for example, exerts its psychoactive effects via particular receptors.  If we block those receptors, we block the experience.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: Do you think science can explain part of the psychedelic experience? [Re: badchad]
    #23991798 - 01/08/17 08:22 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think intwnsicve study will at least alloweus to co plwtwly understand t neurological process. I donthi k sciwee will say much on the experience, because experience goes beyond whatcience is designed to explain.


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Re: Do you think science can explain part of the psychedelic experience? [Re: skatealex2]
    #23992102 - 01/08/17 10:51 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Just because science could potentially shine light on all that doesn't mean it's anywhere close to being able to do that.

Current science can't even tackle consciousness at this point so it's not gonna be able to understand what the hell is happening while tripping.

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Re: Do you think science can explain part of the psychedelic experience? [Re: Tiamo]
    #23992117 - 01/08/17 10:57 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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I've had spiritual experiences but I think all that comes from within, not from the outside. I feel like I'm journeying through my brain like an age old crypt. I definitely think science could explain this experience, it's "just" a chemical reaction that happens. Whenever you experience entities I believe they represent some part of yourself.




Not in my experience. It most definitely does not feel like I'm exploring myself or my own mind when I'm in those other places or realms, it just doesn't fit that model at all it's too unorthodox and too coherent. Too adjacent to the human mind and the human world for me to be so arrogant as to claim that's all coming from me. I think that's just the ego's attempt to reduct the mystery from it but the truth is that you just can't do that and in reality no one knows what the hell is going on or where these substances are actually taking you.

To me it feels like a chemical gateway feeling, there is no feeling of an intrinsic release or a traveling into my own little world. I've done drugs that do that and can easily recognize it but psilocybin is completely the opposite. LSD leans on both sides of the fence for me.

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Re: Do you think science can explain part of the psychedelic experience? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23992166 - 01/08/17 11:22 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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AuroraBorealis88 said:
Just because science could potentially shine light on all that doesn't mean it's anywhere close to being able to do that.

Current science can't even tackle consciousness at this point so it's not gonna be able to understand what the hell is happening while tripping.



I've always had a pet theory that finding out what the hell is actually happening while tripping could potentially help advance our understanding of what consciousness is.

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Re: Do you think science can explain part of the psychedelic experience? [Re: Midnight_Toker]
    #23992181 - 01/08/17 11:28 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think that will probably be it don't you think? I mean didn't we learn a fair amount out about human consciousness from doing these studies with LSD in the 50s and 60s?

I heard something from Tim Leary like how before LSD they thought of consciousness like plumbing where you just open and close all these valves but they actually came to find later that consciousness is more like a computer, one that can be reprogramed, rebooted, ect.

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Re: Do you think science can explain part of the psychedelic experience? [Re: skatealex2]
    #23992193 - 01/08/17 11:40 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Just as much as the psychedelic experience can explain science :yinyang:

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Re: Do you think science can explain part of the psychedelic experience? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23992195 - 01/08/17 11:41 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I figure that with how great we are at storing information, perhaps the fractal nature of the psychedelic experience could actually provide clues into the way information is processed or stored in our brains; i.e. taking in a large amount of data and compressing it into a tiny tiny amount.  I've no idea though, it just sounds neat to me to think that I might be seeing the inner workings of my mind when I trip.  I also agree that we're a good ways off from actually figuring this stuff out though.

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