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US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride * 2
    #23991230 - 01/07/17 10:43 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/us-government-admits-americans-have-been-overdosed-on-fluoride/

"The US government has finally admitted they’ve overdosed Americans on fluoride and, for first time since 1962, are lowering its recommended level of fluoride in drinking water.

About 40 percent of American teens have dental fluorosis, a condition referring to changes in the appearance of tooth enamel—from chalky-looking lines and splotches to dark staining and pitting—caused by long-term ingestion of fluoride during the time teeth are forming.

In some areas, fluorosis rates are as high as 70-80 percent, with some children suffering from advanced forms.

The former recommendation called for a fluoride level of 0.7 to 1.2 milligrams per liter (mg/L) of water. The new upper limit set by the US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) is 0.7 mg/L, to prevent these visible signs of toxic overexposure.

Why Is a Drug Added to Water When the Dose Cannot Be Controlled?

It’s quite clear that when you add fluoride to drinking water, you cannot control the dose that people are getting, and fluoride is in fact not only a non-essential mineral but a toxic drug. This alone is one of the reasons why fluoride shouldn’t be added to drinking water at any level.

If a doctor somehow managed to force a patient to take a drug with known toxic effects and failed to inform them of the dosage and frequency, and never monitored their health outcome, they would be medically negligent and liable to legal and medical board action.

Yet water utilities administer this drug without a prescription, at the behest of the government, without any idea of who will get what dose and for how long, and without monitoring for side effects.

Fluoride is added to drinking water to, in theory, prevent a disease (tooth decay), and as such becomes a medicine by FDA definition. While proponents claim this is no different than adding vitamin D to milk, fluoride is not an essential nutrient. Moreover, fluoride isn’t even approved by the FDA for the prevention of cavities.

We now know that at a limit of 0.7-1.2 mg/L causes a great many people to overdose on the drug. Will an upper limit of 0.7 mg/L protect everyone forced to drink fluoridated water?

Considering the fact that people also get fluoride from toothpaste, dental rinses, processed foods, and beverages, the chances of overexposure are still present, even at this lowered level."


Yeah, I've only known fluoride was worthless for like 6 years... :thumbdown:


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: thirtygoats]
    #23991293 - 01/07/17 11:22 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: musiclover420]
    #23991470 - 01/08/17 01:17 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

it's bad for your brain too


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: Konyap]
    #23991637 - 01/08/17 05:15 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

They poisen you to subdue you and make it easier to brain wash you with the culture (cult). 

Its also being done with E numbers and preservatives.

If you imagine some drugs open human beings up such as psychadelics and other drugs shut people down such as flouride and E numbers.

This makes it easier for them to parasite off you.  They harvest your work effort.

Try and break free of their system or it will consume you and you become another willing drone of their cult.


Edited by Paradigm Shift (01/08/17 05:27 AM)


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: Paradigm Shift]
    #23991852 - 01/08/17 09:02 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

I recently switched to filtered water and seem to have noticed an increase in testosterone production


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: morrowasted]
    #23991893 - 01/08/17 09:21 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

Thanks for finding and posting this. I've been telling people about this for a few years but that only goes so far. I'm going to proliferate this. People need to know. We've been trusting them with our health and well being for too long and all they've done is erect is facade of care, all the while poisoning our bodies and minds. Thank You!!


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: morrowasted] * 2
    #23991895 - 01/08/17 09:21 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

Just want to note here that calcium flouride has been found to be helpful for strong bones and teeth. The chemical byproduct sodium flouride is what's used in most every water supply. Sodium flouride is clearly toxic and should be avoided at all costs imho


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: morrowasted]
    #23991934 - 01/08/17 09:41 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

i really don't understand the blind faith dedication some people have to fluoridation..,
if you look at science and facts and not propaganda created by those who profit from it.

Fun fact: swallowed flouride causes fluorosis AKA staining and weakening of teeth..
so there goes the whole reasoning for fluoridating.. i ask what is the REAL reason ??














Even if you don't want to believe this, imagine if you did, and there is no escaping fluoride.


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: Myco Dude] * 3
    #23991935 - 01/08/17 09:42 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

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I recently switched to filtered water and seem to have noticed an increase in testosterone production




Filtering does not remove dissolved ions, especially ones as ridiculously small as fluoride. This is what is commonly known as "placebo effect".

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Just want to note here that calcium fluoride has been found to be helpful for strong bones and teeth. The chemical byproduct sodium fluoride is what's used in most every water supply. Sodium fluoride is clearly toxic and should be avoided at all costs imho




There is absolutely no difference in a fluoride ion provided by calcium fluoride, and a fluoride ion provided by sodium fluoride. It's the same exact F- ion, the counter ion does not matter.

Edit: However, there is a difference in solubility. Sodium fluoride is very soluble in water, while calcium fluoride is not. That's actually where the toxicity of sodium fluoride comes from: the dissolved fluoride ions precipitate calcium ions in your body.


Edited by Kryptos (01/08/17 09:46 AM)


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: thirtygoats]
    #23992655 - 01/08/17 02:55 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

what about BPA in plastic.  exposing all of us to that horrendous shit.


i hate the government, that's no secret.  I am so tired of these people that go on mass shooting sprees and killing innocent people.  If you're going to kill people atleast do something useful. Take out as many people (lawmakers, politicians, lawyers) as possible for fucks sake.  atleast those people have it coming.


the real problem is corn control.  dont get me started on corn


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: sprinkles]
    #23992822 - 01/08/17 03:51 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

It is said that the consumption of fluoride causes one to become less cognitive and overall docile.


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: mr.psuedo]
    #23993314 - 01/08/17 06:38 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

#Alex jones #false flag fluoride attack #toldyaso lulzzzzz


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: Konyap]
    #23993628 - 01/08/17 08:09 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

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Paradigm Shift said:
They poisen you to subdue you and make it easier to brain wash you with the culture (cult). 

Its also being done with E numbers and preservatives.

If you imagine some drugs open human beings up such as psychadelics and other drugs shut people down such as flouride and E numbers.




Well some of the E-numbers, are completely harmless or good for you, and some are bad.  I've been curious why there are preservatives in everything now, including stuff that should not need it (soft drink syrup for fountain machines, candy, etc.)  However, I've never heard anything about preservatives being bad for your brain.  I would love to see some studies on this. 

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The only reason they are reducing fluoride levels is because they are trying to bankrupt Alex Jones and stop his anti-establishment message (He makes a ton of money from the sale of 'water filters'). I am actually joking and I do not believe it myself but it is possible.



I thought most water filters didn't even remove fluoride.  Am I wrong?
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it's bad for your brain too



Exactly!  This stuff is horrible for the CNS, yet they finally lower how much is in drinking water, because there is visible problems..  I don't need the government to help me take care of my teeth.  Purposefully putting fluoride in the water is ridiculous.  I really think it's in someones best interest to lower our lifespans.


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: morrowasted]
    #23994216 - 01/09/17 12:46 AM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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I recently switched to filtered water and seem to have noticed an increase in testosterone production



as measured by a blood test? Your anecdote has me curious


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: topdog82]
    #23994481 - 01/09/17 06:38 AM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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I recently switched to filtered water and seem to have noticed an increase in testosterone production



as measured by a blood test? Your anecdote has me curious



No but there have been studies showing that chronic flouride exposure affects testosterone


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    #23994606 - 01/09/17 08:31 AM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: EastBayRay]
    #23994756 - 01/09/17 10:15 AM (7 years, 21 days ago)

Well that's that. Imma try it out soon. Find fluoride free toothpaste etc.


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: ellomello]
    #23995096 - 01/09/17 12:26 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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i really don't understand the blind faith dedication some people have to fluoridation..,
if you look at science and facts and not propaganda created by those who profit from it.

Fun fact: swallowed flouride causes fluorosis AKA staining and weakening of teeth..
so there goes the whole reasoning for fluoridating.. i ask what is the REAL reason ??














Even if you don't want to believe this, imagine if you did, and there is no escaping fluoride.




So much of this is untrue I don't know where to begin.


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: jellyfish]
    #23995250 - 01/09/17 01:29 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

This is why people start drinking before 5pm.


The meme's hurt my head just to scroll past.


Good christ I'm shooting up tap water as we speak to forget I even clicked here or responded to keep it going.


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: vandago]
    #23995359 - 01/09/17 02:05 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

wait so how do you get non fluoride water if its in all the tap and bottled water


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #23995402 - 01/09/17 02:25 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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wait so how do you get non fluoride water if its in all the tap and bottled water




I buy jugs of spring water for my drinking water. Even Oregon's tap water which is not bad compared to many places makes me gag when I drink it after having only spring water for so long :eek:

Some filters could at least reduce fluoride levels though I imagine.


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: musiclover420]
    #23995421 - 01/09/17 02:35 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

Tap water tastes like shit but it's not cause of fluoride. When I drink filtered water for a while and go back to tap it just tastes awful. I'm also not sure fluoride is a bad idea. But the fact that anti fluoride proponents bring up how Quebec and Western Europe don't use it (and they don't seem the slightest bit more enlightened, intact pineal glands or not) and resort to using really manipulative language such as those used in the pics I just quoted where they take advantage of the laymans lack of chemistry knowledge and pretend that fluoride and fluorine are the same thing makes me think there's probbaly nothing wrong with it. And when I look up studies on pineal gland and fluoride, they are all from made up scientific journals that aren't peer reviewed.


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #23995427 - 01/09/17 02:38 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

Don't forget foods made using water... and fluoride absorption threw skin during baths and
showers, ect. There is no avoiding it, it's really criminal forcing medication on everyone.


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: jellyfish]
    #23995445 - 01/09/17 02:47 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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But the fact that anti fluoride proponents bring up how Quebec and Western Europe don't use it (and they don't seem the slightest bit more enlightened, intact pineal glands or not)





Well there have been studies comparing fluoridated communities to non-flouridated ones,
and the places without flouridation had better teeth/less cavities, and better general health.



i just like images because people can take in the information faster than a walloftexts.


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: jellyfish]
    #23995454 - 01/09/17 02:50 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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Tap water tastes like shit but it's not cause of fluoride. When I drink filtered water for a while and go back to tap it just tastes awful. And when I look up studies on pineal gland and fluoride, they are all from made up scientific journals that aren't peer reviewed.




Fluoride isn't meant to be ingested... There is a reason flouride toothpaste tells you not to swallow it.


You hve to keep in mind science is often blinded by greed. Just becouse there are no blatent studies proving its negative effects doesn't mean it is safe.

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I'm also not sure fluoride is a bad idea. But the fact that anti fluoride proponents bring up how Quebec and Western Europe don't use it (and they don't seem the slightest bit more enlightened, intact pineal glands or not) and resort to using really manipulative language such as those used in the pics I just quoted where they take advantage of the laymans lack of chemistry knowledge and pretend that fluoride and fluorine are the same thing makes me think there's probbaly nothing wrong with it.




That is terrible logic. Memes do this to pretty much everything, the internet is the misinformation highway and tons of people are stupid...

I wouldn't be surprised if memes like that have been created simply to spread misinformation and make many issues look less serious.


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: musiclover420]
    #23995754 - 01/09/17 04:48 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

my mom used to give me flouride vitamins
she said they made my teeth strong
i told her that's because they had calcium in them it had nothing to do with the flouride

i dunno mothers accidentally poisen their kids every day but will never own up to it, because they did it to look after their child
so because it was right in retrospect that means it's right now
the flintstones of all people...


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: musiclover420]
    #23998369 - 01/10/17 02:18 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

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Fluoride isn't meant to be ingested... There is a reason flouride toothpaste tells you not to swallow it.


You hve to keep in mind science is often blinded by greed. Just becouse there are no blatent studies proving its negative effects doesn't mean it is safe.




Well it occurs naturally in the well and river water of many places so I don't know that it's not meant to be ingested. Some natural springs do contain more fluoride than tap water to which it was intentioanlly added.



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musiclover420 said:That is terrible logic. Memes do this to pretty much everything, the internet is the misinformation highway and tons of people are stupid...

I wouldn't be surprised if memes like that have been created simply to spread misinformation and make many issues look less serious.




I am against putting it in tap water because it takes away from personal choice. We should have access to unaltered water. But like I said in a lot of places unaltered water is already high in fluoride. However, fluoride and fluorine are not the same thing and making up a bunch of lies about it isn't what you would do if you really cared about the cause. It's what you would do if you were trying to sell something. Science is not blinded by greed, people are. People selling alternative medicine routinely lie about stuff like this, out of greed. People on both sides take advantage of the scientifically illiterate. The stores in my area that sell herbal cancer cures, antidotes to fluoride poisoning etc. etc. make me sick. There are people who want to say cannabis causes brain damage and should be completely illegal, they profit off of sending innocent people to prison. There are people making up evidence that it basically cures every disease known to mankind and sell it at a high price, they profit off of taking advantage of a sick persons desperation. Both these types of people are fucking scum.

Personally, I don't want people adding shit to my water.


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: jellyfish]
    #23998410 - 01/10/17 02:32 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

i think most everything i posted has evidence backing it up if you research.
i agree with you on freedom of choice... but who is comparing it to florine?


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: ellomello]
    #23998419 - 01/10/17 02:37 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

I saw one of those pics say that fluoride is in prozac which is misleading.


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: jellyfish]
    #23998432 - 01/10/17 02:42 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

That is one of my points though, who is really perpetuating those lies? People who will profit off of them and then people who don't know better and believe what thy are told.

Just becouse there are myths around many serious issues doesn't make them any less serious. Pretty sure the natural flouride and stuff we add are different too.

Personal choice is a big part of it as is logic. Flouride is supposed to be brushed on teeth and then spat out, so adding it to the water supply is counter intuitive at least if you think they are actually doing it for peoples well being. What is much more likely is some big industry was making flouride as a byproduct and needed to find a way to unload it so someone concocted this scheme that it will help fight cavities...

That makes way more sense then them actually trying to fight cavities, to me at least.


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: jellyfish]
    #23998444 - 01/10/17 02:46 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

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Prozac is the brand name for a chemical compound called fluoxetine hydrochloride. Fluoxetine is made up of five different elements (C17H18F3NO). Fluorine is one of those elements (F3). Fluorine is a gas and never occurs in a free state in nature. Fluorine exists only in combination with other elements as fluoride compounds. Both organic and inorganic compounds containing the element fluorine (F) are considered fluorides. This means fluoxetine is a fluoride. Therefore, we could say Prozac is fluoride. Fluoxetine is the only ingredient in Prozac and fluoxetine is a fluoride.*




Does Prozac Contain Fluoride? < it is counterculture but still good infoormation..
edit..also the fact it was added to prisoners water to make them more controllable.


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: ellomello] * 1
    #23998682 - 01/10/17 04:35 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

Well I teach chemistry and that is being a bit sneaky with the word play. That's like saying water contains 2 elements hydrogen and oxygen. Therefore we could say water is a hydride. But when you think of a hydride you think of something highly reactive and basic, which water is not. The reason I make these posts is because not everyone on this website has 3 chemistry degrees. Ozone is made up of nothing but oxygen atoms and it is poisonous and causes damage to everything it touches. Oxygen gas is made up of nothing but oxygen atoms and we need it to live. Hydrogen selenide is deadly poisonous however we need selenide to live, despite selenium being considered to be purely poison up until the mid 70's. A lot of important drugs contain chlorine atoms, like ketamine. However chlorine gas was used as a chemical weapon in world war 2. We need chloride to live, without chloride and the proteins that channel it, you get illnesses like cystic fibrosis.

While prozac is technically a fluoride in that sense, that is using two different naming conventions. When you have the "ide" ending on an element, it implies a negative charge. There is chlorine which is a radical neutral atom, chlorine gas which is Cl2, and chloride which is Cl-. The stuff they add to the water is a source of F-. So prozac could be considered an organic fluoride but no chemist would actually call it that because the fluorine doesn't behave like fluoride. Ammonia is poisonous. But you could think of DMT as being "an ammonia". You could consider DMT to be dimethyl, ethyl 2-indol-3-yl ammonia. Which makes it sound a lot scarier. Prozac is not a drug I would recommend to anybody but it has nothing to do with the fluorine.

Again, I am not promoting fluoride being put in the water. I am promoting the elimination of misinformation. It sucks how confusing naming can be in organic chemistry, but an organic fluoride (a term nobody really uses, we would say fluoroalkyl, or fluoroaryl compound), fluorine and fluoride are very different things.


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: jellyfish]
    #23998979 - 01/10/17 06:18 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: Konyap]
    #23998997 - 01/10/17 06:26 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

? I don't understand.

And also like I'm not trying to turn this thread into an argument I just don't like misleading "facts" or misinformation. I am not a proponent of adding shit to the water supply.


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: jellyfish]
    #24009512 - 01/14/17 11:00 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Natural water sources sometimes have calcium fluoride which is a completely different chemical to sodium fluoride. Sodium fluoride is a toxic waste left over from aluminium smelting.


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: wicca mixer]
    #24009913 - 01/14/17 02:23 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Both are salts where the negatively charged fluoride ion is paired with a positively charged metal. Neither metals, sodium nor calcium are poisonous, and both can be sources of fluoride itself to the human body.


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