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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #23995402 - 01/09/17 02:25 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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wait so how do you get non fluoride water if its in all the tap and bottled water




I buy jugs of spring water for my drinking water. Even Oregon's tap water which is not bad compared to many places makes me gag when I drink it after having only spring water for so long :eek:

Some filters could at least reduce fluoride levels though I imagine.


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: musiclover420]
    #23995421 - 01/09/17 02:35 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

Tap water tastes like shit but it's not cause of fluoride. When I drink filtered water for a while and go back to tap it just tastes awful. I'm also not sure fluoride is a bad idea. But the fact that anti fluoride proponents bring up how Quebec and Western Europe don't use it (and they don't seem the slightest bit more enlightened, intact pineal glands or not) and resort to using really manipulative language such as those used in the pics I just quoted where they take advantage of the laymans lack of chemistry knowledge and pretend that fluoride and fluorine are the same thing makes me think there's probbaly nothing wrong with it. And when I look up studies on pineal gland and fluoride, they are all from made up scientific journals that aren't peer reviewed.


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #23995427 - 01/09/17 02:38 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

Don't forget foods made using water... and fluoride absorption threw skin during baths and
showers, ect. There is no avoiding it, it's really criminal forcing medication on everyone.


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: jellyfish]
    #23995445 - 01/09/17 02:47 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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But the fact that anti fluoride proponents bring up how Quebec and Western Europe don't use it (and they don't seem the slightest bit more enlightened, intact pineal glands or not)





Well there have been studies comparing fluoridated communities to non-flouridated ones,
and the places without flouridation had better teeth/less cavities, and better general health.



i just like images because people can take in the information faster than a walloftexts.


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: jellyfish]
    #23995454 - 01/09/17 02:50 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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Tap water tastes like shit but it's not cause of fluoride. When I drink filtered water for a while and go back to tap it just tastes awful. And when I look up studies on pineal gland and fluoride, they are all from made up scientific journals that aren't peer reviewed.




Fluoride isn't meant to be ingested... There is a reason flouride toothpaste tells you not to swallow it.


You hve to keep in mind science is often blinded by greed. Just becouse there are no blatent studies proving its negative effects doesn't mean it is safe.

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I'm also not sure fluoride is a bad idea. But the fact that anti fluoride proponents bring up how Quebec and Western Europe don't use it (and they don't seem the slightest bit more enlightened, intact pineal glands or not) and resort to using really manipulative language such as those used in the pics I just quoted where they take advantage of the laymans lack of chemistry knowledge and pretend that fluoride and fluorine are the same thing makes me think there's probbaly nothing wrong with it.




That is terrible logic. Memes do this to pretty much everything, the internet is the misinformation highway and tons of people are stupid...

I wouldn't be surprised if memes like that have been created simply to spread misinformation and make many issues look less serious.


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: musiclover420]
    #23995754 - 01/09/17 04:48 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

my mom used to give me flouride vitamins
she said they made my teeth strong
i told her that's because they had calcium in them it had nothing to do with the flouride

i dunno mothers accidentally poisen their kids every day but will never own up to it, because they did it to look after their child
so because it was right in retrospect that means it's right now
the flintstones of all people...


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: musiclover420]
    #23998369 - 01/10/17 02:18 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

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Fluoride isn't meant to be ingested... There is a reason flouride toothpaste tells you not to swallow it.


You hve to keep in mind science is often blinded by greed. Just becouse there are no blatent studies proving its negative effects doesn't mean it is safe.




Well it occurs naturally in the well and river water of many places so I don't know that it's not meant to be ingested. Some natural springs do contain more fluoride than tap water to which it was intentioanlly added.



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musiclover420 said:That is terrible logic. Memes do this to pretty much everything, the internet is the misinformation highway and tons of people are stupid...

I wouldn't be surprised if memes like that have been created simply to spread misinformation and make many issues look less serious.




I am against putting it in tap water because it takes away from personal choice. We should have access to unaltered water. But like I said in a lot of places unaltered water is already high in fluoride. However, fluoride and fluorine are not the same thing and making up a bunch of lies about it isn't what you would do if you really cared about the cause. It's what you would do if you were trying to sell something. Science is not blinded by greed, people are. People selling alternative medicine routinely lie about stuff like this, out of greed. People on both sides take advantage of the scientifically illiterate. The stores in my area that sell herbal cancer cures, antidotes to fluoride poisoning etc. etc. make me sick. There are people who want to say cannabis causes brain damage and should be completely illegal, they profit off of sending innocent people to prison. There are people making up evidence that it basically cures every disease known to mankind and sell it at a high price, they profit off of taking advantage of a sick persons desperation. Both these types of people are fucking scum.

Personally, I don't want people adding shit to my water.


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: jellyfish]
    #23998410 - 01/10/17 02:32 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

i think most everything i posted has evidence backing it up if you research.
i agree with you on freedom of choice... but who is comparing it to florine?


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: ellomello]
    #23998419 - 01/10/17 02:37 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

I saw one of those pics say that fluoride is in prozac which is misleading.


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: jellyfish]
    #23998432 - 01/10/17 02:42 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

That is one of my points though, who is really perpetuating those lies? People who will profit off of them and then people who don't know better and believe what thy are told.

Just becouse there are myths around many serious issues doesn't make them any less serious. Pretty sure the natural flouride and stuff we add are different too.

Personal choice is a big part of it as is logic. Flouride is supposed to be brushed on teeth and then spat out, so adding it to the water supply is counter intuitive at least if you think they are actually doing it for peoples well being. What is much more likely is some big industry was making flouride as a byproduct and needed to find a way to unload it so someone concocted this scheme that it will help fight cavities...

That makes way more sense then them actually trying to fight cavities, to me at least.


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: jellyfish]
    #23998444 - 01/10/17 02:46 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

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Prozac is the brand name for a chemical compound called fluoxetine hydrochloride. Fluoxetine is made up of five different elements (C17H18F3NO). Fluorine is one of those elements (F3). Fluorine is a gas and never occurs in a free state in nature. Fluorine exists only in combination with other elements as fluoride compounds. Both organic and inorganic compounds containing the element fluorine (F) are considered fluorides. This means fluoxetine is a fluoride. Therefore, we could say Prozac is fluoride. Fluoxetine is the only ingredient in Prozac and fluoxetine is a fluoride.*




Does Prozac Contain Fluoride? < it is counterculture but still good infoormation..
edit..also the fact it was added to prisoners water to make them more controllable.


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: ellomello] * 1
    #23998682 - 01/10/17 04:35 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

Well I teach chemistry and that is being a bit sneaky with the word play. That's like saying water contains 2 elements hydrogen and oxygen. Therefore we could say water is a hydride. But when you think of a hydride you think of something highly reactive and basic, which water is not. The reason I make these posts is because not everyone on this website has 3 chemistry degrees. Ozone is made up of nothing but oxygen atoms and it is poisonous and causes damage to everything it touches. Oxygen gas is made up of nothing but oxygen atoms and we need it to live. Hydrogen selenide is deadly poisonous however we need selenide to live, despite selenium being considered to be purely poison up until the mid 70's. A lot of important drugs contain chlorine atoms, like ketamine. However chlorine gas was used as a chemical weapon in world war 2. We need chloride to live, without chloride and the proteins that channel it, you get illnesses like cystic fibrosis.

While prozac is technically a fluoride in that sense, that is using two different naming conventions. When you have the "ide" ending on an element, it implies a negative charge. There is chlorine which is a radical neutral atom, chlorine gas which is Cl2, and chloride which is Cl-. The stuff they add to the water is a source of F-. So prozac could be considered an organic fluoride but no chemist would actually call it that because the fluorine doesn't behave like fluoride. Ammonia is poisonous. But you could think of DMT as being "an ammonia". You could consider DMT to be dimethyl, ethyl 2-indol-3-yl ammonia. Which makes it sound a lot scarier. Prozac is not a drug I would recommend to anybody but it has nothing to do with the fluorine.

Again, I am not promoting fluoride being put in the water. I am promoting the elimination of misinformation. It sucks how confusing naming can be in organic chemistry, but an organic fluoride (a term nobody really uses, we would say fluoroalkyl, or fluoroaryl compound), fluorine and fluoride are very different things.


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: jellyfish]
    #23998979 - 01/10/17 06:18 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: Konyap]
    #23998997 - 01/10/17 06:26 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

? I don't understand.

And also like I'm not trying to turn this thread into an argument I just don't like misleading "facts" or misinformation. I am not a proponent of adding shit to the water supply.


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: jellyfish]
    #24009512 - 01/14/17 11:00 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Natural water sources sometimes have calcium fluoride which is a completely different chemical to sodium fluoride. Sodium fluoride is a toxic waste left over from aluminium smelting.


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Re: US Govt admits americans have been overdosed on fluoride [Re: wicca mixer]
    #24009913 - 01/14/17 02:23 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Both are salts where the negatively charged fluoride ion is paired with a positively charged metal. Neither metals, sodium nor calcium are poisonous, and both can be sources of fluoride itself to the human body.


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