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BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK * 313
    #23990888 - 01/07/17 08:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

This tek is part of bod's cultivation is easy as fuck link list




Bod's Easy AF SAB TEK



what do you need?

A 110q tub or a 66q tub. 110q is preferred.
alternatively you can build one out of Plexiglas or something else like an aquarium but that's not the simple AF way. Some people have found tubs in the nearly 200q size as well, that will work too.


you will also need

Paper Towel,
70% alcohol (usually iso)
gloves for your hands
A torch (or anything that doesn't fuck around like those little alcohol lamp things)
And some tools like a scalpel and inoculation loop(not pictured)

and you will also need a spray bottle(not pictured), that's capable of making mist, with some warm water and a drop of dish soap (approx 500ml water for one drop of dawn or Palmolive)

I color code my spray bottles
Blue for mist water(for spraying substrates)
Clear for 150ppm chlorine(not often used)
Green for 70% ISO
Yellow for water with a drop of soap for SAB spray

70% alcohol sanitizes better than 90+ or higher concentrations
more info about that here

How To Build It



do the holes with one of these

get it hot on a stove, don't burn yourself.
make the arm holes comfortably far apart so that you can move your hands around as if there were no SAB there in the first place. The idea is to have the same freedom of motion you would have if you spent a bunch of money on a flow hood
make some holes, clean them up with some sandpaper if needed so they don't cut your forearms up.

How do you use it? How does it work?

get a table and your SAB
wipe the inside of the SAB and the table surface with some alcohol on a paper towel
put the SAB on the table and you might want to put a weight on top so it doesn't move around at all
put your work inside the box, (or put it on the table then put the SAB over it)
spray the water inside the SAB with your sprayer on fine mist mode
light your torch and put it on low, I put it on the side of my SAB on the table
be prepared mentally for the work you're about to do
have everything ready and rehearsed in your mind
put the gloves on and wipe them down with iso, wipe your forearms down too


WHY IT WORKS

You CANNOT sterilize the inside of a SAB
Sanitizers are not Sterilizers
and Sanitary is not sufficiently contamination free to do STERILE work.
thus you have to work with physics rather than your chemicals
you do not want air movement, it's a STILL AIR BOX
this is why glove boxes are a no-no in this hobby
glove boxes with attached gloves create air currents, you don't want to stir up non sterile air, you want to avoid having the contamination end up in your work in the first place

This design uses no sleeves or any caps on the arm holes. I believe my work speaks for the efficacy of not needing to over complicate things.


now get to work!
Bod's 2017 thread

Bod's SAB videos


Visit the link at the very top of this thread to see all the things you can do with your SAB

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta] * 2
    #23990904 - 01/07/17 08:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

can you make a copy for the getting started?


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: cronicr] * 3
    #23990908 - 01/07/17 08:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:thumbup:
I hope you mean what I think, I made the same thread in getting started

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta] * 2
    #23991419 - 01/08/17 12:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: 13shrooms] * 2
    #23991437 - 01/08/17 12:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:doublejointed:


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: The Mycologist] * 2
    #23991538 - 01/08/17 02:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the write up. Need to get a bigger SAB. G2G is a pain in a 56 litre tub.

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: dracolusus] * 2
    #23991552 - 01/08/17 02:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks bod, you da man

Is it a bad idea to sit your sab on a towel?


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Nobler Hino] * 2
    #23991734 - 01/08/17 07:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Some people do. I figure even a sanitized towel is more gross than a sanitized piece of plastic. I used to do it

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta] * 2
    #23991772 - 01/08/17 08:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ill save the towel for the beach, thx again


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Nobler Hino] * 3
    #23991790 - 01/08/17 08:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Sometimes I lay down iso soaked paper towels but if you do that don't make a bomb

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta] * 2
    #23991845 - 01/08/17 08:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)



Was at the store yesterday and spotted this monster, it's 200qt.  Do you see any disadvantage to using this for my SAB?
When working with grain jars in my 110qt SAB, I run out of space.

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Tookitooki] * 2
    #23991857 - 01/08/17 09:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:thumbup:
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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta] * 3
    #23997769 - 01/10/17 10:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

bump, relevant as ever with all the 2017 logs starting

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta] * 2
    #23997895 - 01/10/17 11:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Man ive been fucking up for like a year now lol, ive always used tyvex sleeves attached to the arm holes.

While your waiting for the air to settle, do you like to stuff the holes?


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Nobler Hino] * 2
    #23997924 - 01/10/17 11:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

simple AF:thumbup:


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Nobler Hino] * 2
    #23997938 - 01/10/17 11:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Man ive been fucking up for like a year now lol, ive always used tyvex sleeves attached to the arm holes.

While your waiting for the air to settle, do you like to stuff the holes?



I don't wait for the air to settle and I don't stuff the holes :lol:

by the time I'm ready to work it's settled out 30-60 seconds anyway

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta] * 2
    #23998251 - 01/10/17 01:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Well, that is simple as fuck.


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Nobler Hino] * 3
    #24015060 - 01/16/17 03:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

My first crack a SAB involved trying to saw the holes, which lead to cracks...

Frustrated, and looking for a reason to roast a coffee can on the stove, I recalled taking notes on Bod's glove box. Fast forward 15 minutes, and I melted two perfect holes in my tote!

It took longer to file the melted holes than it did to make them. Will second doing this in a well ventilated place.

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: emosavagerabbit] * 3
    #24015218 - 01/16/17 04:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Another thing I'll add is that don't be afraid of making the arm-holes larger than 6 inches because it lessens the amount of air-disruption as you move around.

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: AK1000] * 3
    #24015580 - 01/16/17 07:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Another thing I'll add is that don't be afraid of making the arm-holes larger than 6 inches because it lessens the amount of air-disruption as you move around.



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My first crack a SAB involved trying to saw the holes, which lead to cracks...

Frustrated, and looking for a reason to roast a coffee can on the stove, I recalled taking notes on Bod's glove box. Fast forward 15 minutes, and I melted two perfect holes in my tote!

It took longer to file the melted holes than it did to make them. Will second doing this in a well ventilated place.



It's worth doing a nice finished job on the melted holes. But if you do a "low temp" melt thru there's less fumes. And there's a buildup of plastic that can be smoothed. It may take three four heat ups to get thru but better than making the can red hot and burning plastic

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24015942 - 01/16/17 09:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That's good to know!

So Bod, you actually don't wait for the air to settle? It seems like you just jump right in after it being setup. That would make things pretty painless.

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: emosavagerabbit]
    #24015958 - 01/16/17 09:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It inherently gets about 30-60 seconds bare minimum or even a few minutes

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24015999 - 01/16/17 09:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Now THATS simple as fuck :solidnod:

Would u be mad if i went old skool and taped some long ass kitchen gloves to those holes to avoid the piston effect?


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #24016011 - 01/16/17 09:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Now THATS simple as fuck :solidnod:

Would u be mad if i went old skool and taped some long ass kitchen gloves to those holes to avoid the piston effect?




That would probably make things worse, TBH.


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: AK1000]
    #24016145 - 01/16/17 10:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

sometimes I don't wear gloves at all :shrug:

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24016360 - 01/17/17 12:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Now you're making me feel like I went overboard with the tyvek sleeves and the surgical masks!

:facepalm:

Based on the performance of your grows, I assume that you don't have contamination issues?

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    #24016390 - 01/17/17 12:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Everyone gets contamination sometimes


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: azur]
    #24016785 - 01/17/17 08:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:whathesaid:
Even spawn labs with hoods and fancy boot washing stations

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta] * 3
    #24016796 - 01/17/17 08:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i still use gloves and spray the box but all the washing and bathing/masks and shit is overkill.

use good technique and you dont need a lvl5 bio suit to knock up a jar.

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    #24017008 - 01/17/17 10:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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...and fancy boot washing stations




Ohhh, that's what those things are!  They really make it difficult having them off the ground though.



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    #24017061 - 01/17/17 10:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Everyone gets contamination sometimes



5 out of 10 of my GT jars I made didn't recover , there's various degrees of recovery. but none of them are acceptable


this is two days after a shake

the other 5 seemed to do well with the same LC. different batches of grain in the cooker though..

I made a tub with the other 5 and it's almost fully colonized it was spawned on the 13th

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    #24017109 - 01/17/17 11:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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...and fancy boot washing stations




Ohhh, that's what those things are!  They really make it difficult having them off the ground though.






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    #24017148 - 01/17/17 11:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Everyone gets contamination sometimes



5 out of 10 of my GT jars I made didn't recover , there's various degrees of recovery. but none of them are acceptable


this is two days after a shake

the other 5 seemed to do well with the same LC. different batches of grain in the cooker though..

I made a tub with the other 5 and it's almost fully colonized it was spawned on the 13th




We need more people posting this type of stuff. Not just their success. Because it makes noobs think that if they get a simple contamination they're failing


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: azur]
    #24017155 - 01/17/17 11:38 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

And pictures of shitty fills on their jars too. Hahah I had a friend help so they're loaded all funny. Get to the last two jars and there's not enough to go around. Some are almost too full to shake..

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24017167 - 01/17/17 11:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

ha.

The best is 3/4 full right?

And i agree with azur, more people should post about their failures. NO SHAME! We arent gunna beat u down (too much anyway).

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #24017175 - 01/17/17 11:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I like 2/3 full. The jar on the left is closest. A little more grain And its perfect.

I use ~13-14 dry cups of oats for 10 quart jars.

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24017185 - 01/17/17 11:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

yah, i agree. The far left one is just a little shy of perfect.

U like oats huh? Any reason why oats over say rye?

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #24017190 - 01/17/17 11:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i bet the same reasons people use rye over wbs. :wink:

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    #24021890 - 01/19/17 03:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I will say that through my reading, I've assumed that contamination's meant that there was problem with your sterile technique. I honestly didn't think that it was unavoidable sometimes.

It's basically the reason I've started with agar, so that the contamination is easier to see.

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #24022331 - 01/19/17 08:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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yah, i agree. The far left one is just a little shy of perfect.

U like oats huh? Any reason why oats over say rye?



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Nicely done bod needed doing :highfive:


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24022449 - 01/19/17 09:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Bodhi, you are the man! Thank you for your really easy teks you present us :smile:
I like the idea of not using a towel since my girlfriend hates me for using a towel every two days :laugh:


But I ask myself ... where do you put your stuff on? I mean jars, dishes etc. Do you put in on the soaked bottom directly or do you have some kind of table for them?

I can't imagine that it's good to put the stuff directly on the bottom with all the soapy water which is full of microbes.

Since now I use a towel and I put a piece of tin foil from the inner roll on it and then I put the stuff on it.


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: AlCapone2k]
    #24022455 - 01/19/17 09:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Jars go right on the floor. I seperate petri dishes with one blank dish on the bottom of the stack.

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    #24022463 - 01/19/17 09:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, that's a nice idea! :smile:

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: AlCapone2k]
    #24046979 - 01/28/17 05:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Noob question on the torch, but you have it there to burn off potential contaminants right? and also using it to sterilize syringes before innoculating? or do you use a different flame inside the SAB for that?
My first SAB I have built sucks, which is basically this TEK but it's too small, and the plastic is a little but too cloudy(not clear enough). Which means I can't comfortably work looking in from the top, and need to look in through the arm holes.

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: germanauslander]
    #24047153 - 01/28/17 06:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You can't have a flame inside the SAB because it will stir up the air inside. If your SAB sucks build a new one.

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    #24047204 - 01/28/17 06:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

About to get back into this hobby again and this was helpful, thanks man!

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #24047220 - 01/28/17 06:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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You can't have a flame inside the SAB because it will stir up the air inside. If your SAB sucks build a new one.



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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24049115 - 01/29/17 01:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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You can't have a flame inside the SAB because it will stir up the air inside. If your SAB sucks build a new one.



Yep



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Man ive been fucking up for like a year now lol, ive always used tyvex sleeves attached to the arm holes.

While your waiting for the air to settle, do you like to stuff the holes?



I don't wait for the air to settle and I don't stuff the holes :lol:

by the time I'm ready to work it's settled out 30-60 seconds anyway


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #24049151 - 01/29/17 02:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yea

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
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I've heard of people just going in dry... I would say that's not solid advice anywhere in life


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I've heard of people just going in dry... I would say that's not solid advice anywhere in life




0/10,

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On topic though; I can say I followed the TEK and didn't get any contams, so it does work.

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    #24049331 - 01/29/17 03:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Nice tek bodhisatta nice and simple:thumbup:


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    #24052623 - 01/30/17 07:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I just picked up a 110 quart SAB today
I was wondering if you set anything down on the bottom bodhisatta like a towel? Is it ok if I just wipe it down with 70% ISO and use it like that with nothing on the bottom


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Loveshroomz777]
    #24052745 - 01/30/17 07:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Hard surface> towel
Hard surfaces easiest to sanitize. I use a plastic table

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    #24052780 - 01/30/17 08:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think I get it you take the lid off put a towel on a table and place the tub on the towel correct?
Also do I put anything on the towel like soap or what should I use? Is it ok to set my jars on top of the towel when working
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    #24052907 - 01/30/17 08:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I just found my answer I read that you spray the towel with soap water
Now my question is is it ok to set my jars on the wet towel? It kind of doesn't make sense to put the jars on the wet towel since it is used to trap contaminations


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I got it figured out bodhisatta thanks for the help  :rockon:  :takingnotes:


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    #24053160 - 01/30/17 10:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I just found my answer I read that you spray the towel with soap water
Now my question is is it ok to set my jars on the wet towel? It kind of doesn't make sense to put the jars on the wet towel since it is used to trap contaminations



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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24053338 - 01/30/17 11:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Hard surface> towel
Hard surfaces easiest to sanitize. I use a plastic table



Dude I told you here that i don't use a towel. And in the OP it's just a table too.

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    #24053434 - 01/31/17 01:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry I misunderstood you thanks for clarifying
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    #24053863 - 01/31/17 09:14 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I, on the other hand, while a noob, find great solace in using a towel as a floor in the SAB. But I don't just spray the towel, that isn't enough. I literally fill a bottle with soap and water and dump the entire bottle all over the towel so it's soaked. This was a tip I read about from another veteran here and it was very helpful for me. Like another user said, it's not about sanitizing as much as it is about reducing shit floating in the box and particulates will stick to the towel better if it's wet like that.


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: AK1000]
    #24053872 - 01/31/17 09:18 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

don't just spray the towel, spray the walls and the lid, these are the most important IMO


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Loveshroomz777]
    #24053873 - 01/31/17 09:18 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I notice you said put your work in then spray. I normally spray then put my work in. Does it matter? I just worry about the dust-containing water landing on my jars?


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    #24053889 - 01/31/17 09:22 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Well you're you touch your jars with a gloved hand thats only sanitized with alcohol so I wouldn't worry so much about dust on the jars. Regardless you cant have it contaminate things you don't want it to contaminate, your gloves are not sterile so right there you defeat the purpose of having 100% clean outsides of jars

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24053926 - 01/31/17 09:35 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I would only worry about it if you're using micropore filters but even then you'll probably be fine


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    #24064572 - 02/04/17 08:33 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Well you're you touch your jars with a gloved hand thats only sanitized with alcohol so I wouldn't worry so much about dust on the jars. Regardless you cant have it contaminate things you don't want it to contaminate, your gloves are not sterile so right there you defeat the purpose of having 100% clean outsides of jars




I kinda found a middle ground. I set all my work on the table. Pick the tote up and spray it. Then set it over the jars.

Is this OK? Im having a lot of contam issues, but with how lax you are im thinking it has more to do with my agar

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    #24064655 - 02/04/17 09:20 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yea that's fine. Relaxation and acting like it isn't your first rodeo helps far more than sanitizer or anything else

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Well you're you touch your jars with a gloved hand thats only sanitized with alcohol so I wouldn't worry so much about dust on the jars. Regardless you cant have it contaminate things you don't want it to contaminate, your gloves are not sterile so right there you defeat the purpose of having 100% clean outsides of jars




I kinda found a middle ground. I set all my work on the table. Pick the tote up and spray it. Then set it over the jars.

Is this OK? Im having a lot of contam issues, but with how lax you are im thinking it has more to do with my agar




Are you spraying it after you set the tote down again? Cause you definitely should. I avoid lifting the SAB cause it disturbs the air a lot and I spray before and after.


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: AK1000]
    #24065168 - 02/04/17 01:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Actually I don't spray After Setting the sab on the towel. I spray on the towel, then I put the things on the towel, spray the inside of the SAB and then I put the SAB on the towel.

Afterwards no spraying.

And I have a very low contamn rate with agar (under 5% definetely).

So maybe you should try the towel thing. Or Improve your sterile work.


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: AlCapone2k]
    #24066368 - 02/04/17 11:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not entirely convinced the spraying of the inside has much to do with how effective the sab is.

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    #24066816 - 02/05/17 08:14 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

To be honest me too. I don't think the contamns in Agar work of breadsticks result from the SAB procedure but more from the sterile work.


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    #24066953 - 02/05/17 09:28 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

IMO it doesn't help if a swift movement is accidentally made or somewhat or another I feel the contams will more easily be able too come off the wall. Vs if it's sprayed down.


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    #24067113 - 02/05/17 10:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I spray every wall except the top, nothing like a drip of soapy water in your petri


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    #24110893 - 02/22/17 12:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I spray every wall except the top, nothing like a drip of soapy water in your petri



See, it's things like this that make it wise to read as many responses as possible to the tek.  I would have done just that, dripped soapy water into my petri.  Another thing to watch out for, latches on the ends of your box.  They can cause your upside down tote to rock slightly, stirring up currents.

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    #24111149 - 02/22/17 02:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I simply don't spray enough to saturate the lid to the point of causing drips lol

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Lol, i get trigger happy


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I've just put a fine mist on the top so drops don't form.  No problems yet, instructions seemed clear? :shrug:


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can you make a copy for the getting started?



Hi thanks for all the great info. I have just one question if you don't mind. How do you grow on the bottom of tubs like that?im new so all I know is make substrate, put it in canning jars, be as sterile as possible and put it in a SAB

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24174075 - 03/19/17 07:20 AM (7 years, 10 days ago)

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put your work inside the box, (or put it on the table then put the SAB over it)
spray the water inside the SAB with your sprayer on fine mist mode




Do I use the soap/water here, or just plain water?  Thanks

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: SighLowSighBeen]
    #24174108 - 03/19/17 07:48 AM (7 years, 10 days ago)

Doesn't matter.
But yes the Very dilute soap water.

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24174148 - 03/19/17 08:19 AM (7 years, 10 days ago)

Thank you sir.  Getting ready to do my first EVER! Gotta make the holes in the SAB real quick then inoculate the agar I made last night.  Hopefully they turned out ok but I won't know til I open the pc.

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: SighLowSighBeen]
    #24174208 - 03/19/17 08:55 AM (7 years, 10 days ago)

until they open they'll be fine


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: SighLowSighBeen]
    #24174228 - 03/19/17 09:04 AM (7 years, 10 days ago)

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Thank you sir.  Getting ready to do my first EVER! Gotta make the holes in the SAB real quick then inoculate the agar I made last night.  Hopefully they turned out ok but I won't know til I open the pc.



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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24191198 - 03/25/17 08:49 AM (7 years, 4 days ago)

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Yeti1]
    #24203771 - 03/29/17 08:34 PM (7 years, 5 hours ago)

So..should I have the stuff inside covered with  foil and mist, let it settle and wipe my equip with iso? Or flip it over so it's open , mist,then  put it over  my stuff?

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: sharpie95] * 1
    #24203860 - 03/29/17 09:07 PM (7 years, 5 hours ago)

Wipe stuff then put on table then put sab over then spray your water in the sab

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24205933 - 03/30/17 04:34 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Ic.._then just rewipe with new paper towel iso yeah?

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: sharpie95]
    #24205939 - 03/30/17 04:36 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I guess. I just take the foil off lids and consider the tops sterile still.

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Yeti1]
    #24210671 - 04/01/17 11:46 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

This is really useful stuff

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24216490 - 04/03/17 09:11 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for this. I don't hate my SAB work anymore.

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    #24216516 - 04/03/17 09:25 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24262735 - 04/21/17 09:34 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks!


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    #24271015 - 04/25/17 03:45 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24303852 - 05/08/17 04:31 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for the writeup, i'm on it!

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta] * 2
    #24341627 - 05/22/17 09:07 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I have one made very similar to this but I have gloves attached to make a sort of GB. So I would be better off if I remove the gloves and just use as a SAB? What is the difference of your arms moving, and the gloves of a GB? Great write up by the way!

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: BeardedDragon]
    #24341657 - 05/22/17 09:20 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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I have one made very similar to this but I have gloves attached to make a sort of GB. So I would be better off if I remove the gloves and just use as a SAB? What is the difference of your arms moving, and the gloves of a GB? Great write up by the way!



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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Bird_Guts]
    #24343666 - 05/23/17 04:58 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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Did you read this thread?

Everything you asked has been answered





I must have skipped a few pages, my bad. Thanks for pointing that out.

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: BeardedDragon]
    #24343691 - 05/23/17 05:06 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

the first page?

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24343759 - 05/23/17 05:22 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

It was said in the TEK but I just wanted clarification. Sorry I did miss a few pages.

I found my answers as I have just reread the entire thread.

Again thanks for pointing this out. I will make sure that I have read everything from now on. Again great write up.

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: BeardedDragon]
    #24405738 - 06/14/17 04:15 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24446890 - 06/30/17 11:44 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Hey BOD. I am just about to take the plunge and cultivate and your posts and videos have been outstanding reference. After wiping the SAB out with ISO, what is the purpose of spraying the soap and water? Looking forward to taking a crack at my liquid spores to agar tomorrow!

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Ouroboros05] * 1
    #24446893 - 06/30/17 11:47 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

To knock down contaminants. We can't sanitize or sterilize the inside of a sab reliably. We're working with physics to do aseptic work

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24447962 - 06/30/17 07:16 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks again.

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Ouroboros05]
    #24452154 - 07/02/17 01:49 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

So we wipe the SAB with alcohol and then mist with the water and soap?  Just making sure the misting is done with the water and soap rather than the alcohol sprayer.  Where does the alcohol sprayer come into play?


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: ShamanBag] * 1
    #24453123 - 07/02/17 08:31 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Alcohol spray your gloves if you want

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24477432 - 07/12/17 08:18 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

If you don't have a coffee can to make the holes or are worried about any fumes released from heating a coffee can, you can also use an aluminum dryer vent connector.

Which looks like:

This also works: but can be flimsier depending on the brand.

Easily found at any hardware store for like 2 - 4 bucks and come in different sizes or can be adjustable.

Or if you want to be really cheap pull the one off your own dryer.

Heat on stove top for like 5 min on high if you have electric or on top of a cheap pan if you have open flame/gas stove for a few minutes longer. Remove hot connector from stove with tongs, put it where you want an armhole on the SAB and push down with a thick oven mitt until it pops through.


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24501593 - 07/22/17 08:58 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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It's worth doing a nice finished job on the melted holes. But if you do a "low temp" melt thru there's less fumes. And there's a buildup of plastic that can be smoothed. It may take three four heat ups to get thru but better than making the can red hot and burning plastic





How wide are the holes on your setup? Also do you think one would benefit having the hole that is your dominant arm slightly higher than the non dominant arm? Or is keeping them even the way to go?

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: MacPappy] * 1
    #24501598 - 07/22/17 09:00 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Make them both the slightly bigger size

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    #24501601 - 07/22/17 09:01 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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Or if you want to be really cheap pull the one off your own dryer.





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    #24501677 - 07/22/17 09:49 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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Make them both the slightly bigger size




Bigger size dominant hole? Seems like the reply doesn't answer the question. Just wanting to clarify.....


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    #24501800 - 07/22/17 11:01 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Both holes dominant holes...

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    #24501801 - 07/22/17 11:01 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

:whathesaid: quote that out of context

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    #24510544 - 07/26/17 09:19 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I was going to use a glove box, thanks for the information, I will use my SAB.

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    #24568311 - 08/20/17 09:08 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you for your writing and work.


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    #24574485 - 08/23/17 03:03 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks dude :smile:

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    #24644159 - 09/19/17 03:11 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

So putting those PVC adapter fittings in the holes is a bad idea? If so is it part of the same idea to make the holes bigger than 6 inches so you do not kick air up as you move?


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: KHRIST0PH0R0US] * 2
    #24644202 - 09/19/17 03:24 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

I think the pvc drain cleanout adapters are stupid and only make things more bulky. I would opt for biggest arm holes reasonable so its comfortable to move.

I don't bother with caps or flaps or any sort of cover for the holes.

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    #24653770 - 09/23/17 01:41 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Again, much gratitude! I plan on using this tek in the next two days. This has been an invaluable find.

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    #24653892 - 09/23/17 02:52 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24654069 - 09/23/17 03:55 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

BOD: wipe the inside of the SAB and the table surface with some alcohol on a paper towel
put the SAB on the table and you might want to put a weight on top so it doesn't move around at all
put your work inside the box, (or put it on the table then put the SAB over it)
spray the water inside the SAB with your sprayer on fine mist mode
light your torch and put it on low, I put it on the side of my SAB on the table
be prepared mentally for the work you're about to do
have everything ready and rehearsed in your mind
put the gloves on and wipe them down with iso, wipe your forearms down too
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whats the water for? is this the point where the soapy water comes in? lightly spray the inside of the box with the soapy water or regular water prior to work?

I'm just a little confused. last time i tried this tek I wiped everything down with 70 iso, got all my work ready, kinda wiped stuff down a bit. Im under the impression you spray soapy water on the sides and top (bottom of bin, using the table as a surface) in the SAB prior? I think this was explained to me before but I want to make sure I've got this right. Or do you just spray regular water to dilute the iso alc? I watched the video but i dont think he said anything about water. - this is the only question i really have. I think I have it right as I didn't get contaminations but double checking in this hobby is really important to me.

I go overboard and turn of the ac/heat, spray area with lysol a bit before work and go to town, so id really like to know about the soapy water. I remember bod saying the bleach water was rarely used (i believe to fight something off)

Thanks everyone. Bod youre the shit. Sorry for being an neurotic idiot.

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24703405 - 10/11/17 08:41 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Been using this site for a couple years now, but just now made an account to tell you this Tek is :thumbup:

Also, i used a 105oz big ass can of this food called 'Hominy' (all the Mexicans out there know what i'm talking about) to drill the holes. You can find it at any supermarket for $3.50.

Keep in mind that some of the plastic will stick to the bottom of the can, so repeat heat-ups will give off a lot of fumes. I set mine on my pre-heated electric stove-top for about 3 minutes at medium.

So, now I've got both some fine lookin holes on my SAB and 2162 calories of what appears to be soggy white corn! Bone apple teeth!

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    #24703469 - 10/11/17 09:06 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Ok.. color coded bottles is genius.. i always have clear bottles and never remember to label them.. BTW.. the alc spray is just all alc not 50/50 with water or anything?

Edit: to change ARE to IS.. cause my english is turning to shit and i hate that :frown:


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    #24703489 - 10/11/17 09:14 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

70% iso straight outta the bottle


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    #24703570 - 10/11/17 09:47 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I have a hars time seeing in the box when im doing transfers and stuff. I was thinking of cutting the front off the box and replacing it with a real clear piece of plexiglass siliconed back on to make it easier to see. Any thoughts on this?

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    #24703591 - 10/11/17 10:03 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

you could, I sit level with the holes and peer in through them. I've heard of a lot of people having their head above the box but I use mine upright and the lid is black. plus that sounds uncomfortable


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I have a hars time seeing in the box when im doing transfers and stuff. I was thinking of cutting the front off the box and replacing it with a real clear piece of plexiglass siliconed back on to make it easier to see. Any thoughts on this?




I have my sab holes higher up in the box like 1/3 from the top and angle my head so i can look through the arm hole when i work with a syringe or anything like that. I can't see 1 drop or 50 through the plastic..

One person on here told me they cut a square hole in the top and covered it with cling film as a window.. but meh.. thats like work :smile:


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    #24704117 - 10/12/17 07:00 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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70% iso straight outta the bottle




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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: icetech]
    #24708551 - 10/14/17 02:36 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Question... In the tek you say to first place your work into the sab THEN spray with the inside of the SAB with the soapy mix on fine spray.  I would think this this would bring the dirty air down onto whatever is in the SAB at the time.  Would it be better to first clean the air then place things into it?

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Diastamasta]
    #24709045 - 10/14/17 10:14 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Then everything has to go thru arm holes. Fuck that

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24709116 - 10/14/17 10:35 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

i lay some paper towels over my items in the sab, spray the box, remove the towels. smoke a bowl. do work.

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: mushboy]
    #24709203 - 10/14/17 11:03 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Ah.. i have been wiping jars down with iso then putting them in right before working.. will start loading the box first.


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: icetech]
    #24709212 - 10/14/17 11:05 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Im not to worries either way. The spray isn't saving you one way or another

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24724357 - 10/20/17 11:40 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I know i am late to the game but thanks for the info! 

My sab is way over built and I broke it last time i used it.  I used the drain adapters and int he process of pulling my arm out torqued one and it cracked the bin.  In need of a new SAB and I like this method, simple and straight forward.

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24782445 - 11/14/17 12:24 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

This is awesome! Thank you!

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: dankskank]
    #24783984 - 11/15/17 04:38 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks as fuck

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Ullr]
    #24811297 - 11/28/17 09:16 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks, BOD! I built my first GB in 1975.  It was a cardboard box with elbow length gloves and a poly window taped in place.  Spores from Mya Bells.  Man, I love Sterilite clear totes!  In the last two years  I’ve really had fun with science while making many upgrades to my techniques and practices primarily by searching this forum.  I love my new SAB, thanks BOD. I finally have enough room to really work and continue to make progress toward less contamination.  I’m hanging onto my forced air HEPA filter  booth because it was fun to build and it really works well.  Precipitating contaminants in a mist of soapy water is a great breakthrough in sanitation for me.  Thanks for the tip.  I’ve also switched to 70% alcohol from 91% after coming to realize how much more effective it is for sanitation. Another great tip.
The routine I’ve settled into is inoculating LC’s (dextrose with light malt) with spores. (Great LC lids from Shroom Supply) I’m using well populated LCs to create grain masters, then G2G and finally to the unmodified 54 quart tubs with coir. One 24 watt twist 6500 bulb in cone reflector per tub when fruiting.  I’m basically following the BOD SAF format for everything using 8 tubs.  Geeze!  I’m starting to look like Sheldon! lol  Great science, great hobby and great work by BOD consolidating a lot of very useful information to share with fellow mycologists.

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: sceebo]
    #24811358 - 11/28/17 10:00 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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inoculating LC’s (dextrose with light malt) with spores.


  :whatthetrek:  :failure:  :elderno:  :ingodshands:  :why: that's not a great idea.
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on the other hand when you look at spores from a syringe or a print under the scope. you see all sorts of other crud that may be viable or non living debris including organic and non organic matter.

This is why you should always use agar to start off a LC if you ever chose to use a LC. LC like beer is a environment where any competing organism can just grow like mad. if you start with spores which are in the next few images, you will see just how much trouble you can get yourself into. a single bacteria floating around can double in a few hours and exponential growth boom you have a completely infected jar and it may not even smell or appear infected due to the low levels of nutrition in a LC(a few percent sugars 2-5% usually)


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #24811899 - 11/28/17 01:45 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

My view is that any idea is a good idea if it produces good results.
Right now, I’m just having really good luck with LC’s.  I have five different species that of been colonizing at 84° In a home made incubator for about three weeks.  I’m done with them for now so I just moved them to the refrigerator for use much later.  Call me a nut, but I just love putting the jars on the magnetic stirrer and watching those my myllium clumps busting up. The grain masters that I made from the LCs colonized in less than a week  with no signs of contamination. (lucky me) I DID use a generous squirt of LC for each grain master.  I just used my new SAF SAB to do my G2G from the Masters to 28 quarts. What a nice new workspace! We’ll see how I did with clean and sanitary practices in a day or two

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24861651 - 12/22/17 08:36 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

This thread has opened my third eye :wink:

Why not add chemistry to physics and use isopropanol as spray?


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bacillus] * 1
    #24861665 - 12/22/17 08:45 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Why spray an unnecessary sanitizer around. Waste of money. And potentially a bomb situation

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #24915019 - 01/15/18 05:07 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I just wanted to say that this was very helpful in assisting me create my first SAB for my first time trying to grow.

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: FatDabs]
    #24918867 - 01/16/18 05:10 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks as always, all your teks are great!

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: shade12435]
    #24932947 - 01/22/18 03:36 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

So glad I found this. Researching everything you've added here before getting started. Excellent presentation. Thank you!

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25006313 - 02/19/18 05:52 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Again, thank you Bod. Every good forum has some simplification of unnecessarily complicated shit, and this is it. I used everything in your EASY AF list and it has worked flawlessly twice. Can't thank you enough!

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: arkybarky]
    #25032148 - 03/01/18 03:19 PM (6 years, 28 days ago)

why do you flip the SAB upside down?

my folding table is uneven when i flip it

i see frank doesn't flip his

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: thelanzii]
    #25032167 - 03/01/18 03:27 PM (6 years, 28 days ago)

It helps to be able to look down on your work instead of in the front. Either works. I use mine right side up because I don't have a big enough table in my shroom


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25032222 - 03/01/18 03:54 PM (6 years, 28 days ago)

I get more surface area to work on the inner side of the lid.. just a bit more :shrug:



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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25033794 - 03/02/18 02:28 PM (6 years, 27 days ago)

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: tanukihimself]
    #25047522 - 03/07/18 10:14 PM (6 years, 22 days ago)

do you remake the soap sanitizer every time you work with your sab?

do you just microwave it to make the soapy water warm?

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: thelanzii]
    #25047613 - 03/07/18 11:07 PM (6 years, 22 days ago)

I usually omit the spray,because I'm confident my technique is down but I would only change it every month or two when I did


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25047648 - 03/07/18 11:18 PM (6 years, 22 days ago)

i like to follow teks to the t

did u just use it a room temp?

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: thelanzii]
    #25047671 - 03/07/18 11:31 PM (6 years, 22 days ago)

Yep, give it a shake first. But it should still be plenty viscous. I wouldn't worry about temperature.


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25048147 - 03/08/18 09:28 AM (6 years, 21 days ago)

Warming up soap spray that's a new one for me. I wouldn't

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25055771 - 03/11/18 08:42 AM (6 years, 18 days ago)

Will try out, when I'm big in this bussiness :laugh:

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25064888 - 03/15/18 08:32 AM (6 years, 14 days ago)

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25072944 - 03/18/18 11:52 AM (6 years, 11 days ago)

thanks, man. Never knew gloves attached was a no-go... I'm new to the game but I'm seeing you on this website a lot so I'm gonna start following your teks a lot more. Also going to try sterilizing some grain today with the simple polyfill lids. yay! mush love


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: nothingtohide]
    #25096249 - 03/28/18 01:58 AM (6 years, 2 days ago)

Thanks Bod! Learned some new things here. Especially why glovebox is a nono (i was going to build one)

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Shroumz]
    #25112849 - 04/04/18 06:16 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Bod the part where you recommend wiping the entire damn sab with alcohol is not helping anyones contam rate drop and potentially having them liberally spray alcohol creating a bomb. Please consider removing that one line, save a kitten.


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: JHOVA]
    #25112949 - 04/04/18 07:13 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

You wipe it it dries. I like to disinfect the sab before i use it because when its not a sab its storage

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    #25120028 - 04/07/18 05:38 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)





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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25257670 - 06/09/18 09:39 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Bod you have made so many aspects of this hobby so much more accessible. It's like the (now outdated) Mushroom growers guide written by the McKenna brothers updated for the 21st Century. Cheers

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25274339 - 06/17/18 11:39 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Going to get one of these setup today so I can do my first MS > Agar and start my clean up. Thanks for all your super helpful easy AF tutorials, if not for them I would be trying PF Tek... And who wants to do that anyway hahahahaha:tongue:

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25316611 - 07/09/18 11:22 AM (5 years, 8 months ago)

I would first like to say thank you! You have singlehandedly inspired me to leave my comfort zone of the old PF Tek with all of your great easy AF Teks and videos! I've had much success over the years with PF cakes, but I knew there had to be a better way. I haven't done any in a while, and I'm so glad I found you before I started back up!!! I'm about to go for it!

Anyways, is there a reason you couldn't just use the lid as the bottom of the SAB instead of setting on a table, towel, etc? My table is wood, which seems it would harbor contams, and so does a towel... Sorry if it's a stupid question, just trying to increase my chance of first time success!

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    #25316619 - 07/09/18 11:28 AM (5 years, 8 months ago)

There are always contams inside a SAB, period.  The still air keeps air currents from swirling them around the box, and ideally falling to the floor of the SAB due to gravity. Which is why you dont use it immediately after setting it up/wiping down/etc.

The point of a towel is not to be contam-free, but to have something for contams ti stick to when they fall.

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    #25316688 - 07/09/18 12:10 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

I've used the lid for my bottom before, and now I use the SAB lid side up, like it would normally sit. I don't use towels, and now I also work dry in the SAB.

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: pixelpopper]
    #25316710 - 07/09/18 12:21 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

:whathesaid: it doesn't matter if there's contams in the sab as long as they dont get on the agar/in the grain. Keep them out of the air and you're good


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    #25316716 - 07/09/18 12:23 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

The air isnt totally still as long as you're working inside it, no matter how smooth and controlled your movements are.  Moisture will grab contams and keep them there.

Of course, some people do sterile work with nothing but a nearby flame (my understanding is that this is pretty standard lab practice)

So do whatever works.  :smile:

Honestly I might give the flame thing a shot and just work next to my gas stove.  That would be so much easier than a SAB.

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Sivarted]
    #25316741 - 07/09/18 12:38 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

You may use the lid as the floor but its not nearly as flat as a table

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    #25316755 - 07/09/18 12:46 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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The air isnt totally still as long as you're working inside it, no matter how smooth and controlled your movements are.  Moisture will grab contams and keep them there.





Yeah I realize this and I am not encouraging anyone to dry SAB unless they want to try it while realizing its a bit more risky.

For me, it has worked great so far.

My main point was that its about the still air, not where your lid is at, etc.

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25316899 - 07/09/18 02:24 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

I was wondering if it would possibly let in more air. Thank you all for sharing your insight- I'm excited AF to see how this goes!

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: GratefulGal]
    #25316901 - 07/09/18 02:28 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Air in the room should be still anyway


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    #25326503 - 07/14/18 06:55 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

If you are reading this simple AF tek, good job! I love it Bod, thank you!  Just used my SAB to SS some Golden Teacher into Pasty's plates.  I love the community and knowledge sharing! I hope to share pictures of success soon.

The box you are looking at is TOO SMALL!  Buy the bigger box to make your SAB.  Mine is 66 qt and I can already tell will be too small.


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    #25328343 - 07/15/18 06:07 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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    #25379021 - 08/10/18 07:03 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Simple!

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: C45]
    #25383823 - 08/12/18 03:10 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

First Post...but I like my dominate hand hole to be a bit higher than my other hand, this may help some folks a bit with controlling movement when working..

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: WhymeGod]
    #25426349 - 08/31/18 02:09 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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First Post...but I like my dominate hand hole to be a bit higher than my other hand, this may help some folks a bit with controlling movement when working..




When I was envisioning myself making and using a SAB, I was thinking about this.. or even having a lower hole on the long side of the box and a higher hole on the short side of my dominant hand.. but I wasn't sure if that would fuck with the stillness of the air.

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: MidnightTopher]
    #25426872 - 08/31/18 06:17 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Nice! This will come in handy bro

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25451993 - 09/11/18 10:35 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25457673 - 09/13/18 02:46 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I made it with the 108 Quart. It works great for agar, but i'm now realizing that it might not have the height to make grain to grain transfers with quart jars. I been looking for a higher bin locally, but can't find one. Thinking I might try to dub-tub 2 of these for a SAB for gtg


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: MidnightTopher]
    #25462667 - 09/15/18 05:23 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)


@MidnightTopher


From what I've read/learned from experience is that my suggestion works best for me.  I've not had any issues having the dominant had slightly higher than my other hand.  I found that when I pour agar, this makes it easier for me, I've prolly tried like six or seven different variations of hand holes, until I found the one that was most comfortable/convenient for me.  I have not had contam issues due to hole placement.

Experiment a little and find what works best for you. (try different variations on the same tub and go through the motions of doing work inside your SAB, that way your not buying a bazillion tubs to get your hands comfortable.-just by pretending :smile:

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: WhymeGod]
    #25467061 - 09/17/18 12:20 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: 13shrooms]
    #25467259 - 09/17/18 01:35 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Amazing write-up! Thank you for this, Easy AF guides are game changers.

In what instances would you use the Chlorine spray? When would you used it and why?
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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: mycorry] * 2
    #25467422 - 09/17/18 02:50 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I would never use chlorine/bleach spray for anything other than my bathroom or cleaning up a tub after a substrate had a mold explosion

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25479492 - 09/21/18 11:15 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Nice probably the best breakdown for me

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: someguy250]
    #25481621 - 09/22/18 08:15 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

awesome. definitely prefer these Bod teks

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: someguy250]
    #25488129 - 09/25/18 01:37 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I finally got my big girl panties on and followed the tek. It took about 5 minutes and I was taking my time.

Heated the can up on the stove and pressed it through the tub. Wham! Bam!


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25515130 - 10/05/18 03:53 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

AK1000 said:
Another thing I'll add is that don't be afraid of making the arm-holes larger than 6 inches because it lessens the amount of air-disruption as you move around.



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My first crack a SAB involved trying to saw the holes, which lead to cracks...

Frustrated, and looking for a reason to roast a coffee can on the stove, I recalled taking notes on Bod's glove box. Fast forward 15 minutes, and I melted two perfect holes in my tote!

It took longer to file the melted holes than it did to make them. Will second doing this in a well ventilated place.



It's worth doing a nice finished job on the melted holes. But if you do a "low temp" melt thru there's less fumes. And there's a buildup of plastic that can be smoothed. It may take three four heat ups to get thru but better than making the can red hot and burning plastic





Great advice, I am going to make a SAB tonight. Thanks for the tip.

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bendrider]
    #25542825 - 10/16/18 06:03 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Does using Saran Wrap to create a lid and then cutting arm holes in the wrap sound like a good idea? Then I have a box that I can use for storage/whatever else I want while I don’t need a SAB


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Ajr12100]
    #25542936 - 10/16/18 06:44 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Probably but seems bootleg to me.

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Ajr12100]
    #25543199 - 10/16/18 08:45 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Does using Saran Wrap to create a lid and then cutting arm holes in the wrap sound like a good idea? Then I have a box that I can use for storage/whatever else I want while I don’t need a SAB




I used to do this with some help with some packing tape to stiffen things up when I used to use a SAB. Had too many run ins through the years with people asking "why is theres holes cut in the side of that tote?" I got rid of my tote with the big holes in the side. It was literally the only thing I've ever had that raised eyebrows with the non knowers. And since the tote was only good for being a SAB and nothing else when not in use it would wind up in the hallway closet or in the garage or some random place and yeah....

I'm not gonna lie though. It sucks. It really sucks when you forget to put something in the tub you need that would've been easier to get in there before the saran wrap... its janky ass fuck

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Ajr12100]
    #25543224 - 10/16/18 08:58 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Does using Saran Wrap to create a lid and then cutting arm holes in the wrap sound like a good idea? Then I have a box that I can use for storage/whatever else I want while I don’t need a SAB




https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11107712#11107712

yup, this is a link to an agar tek BUT if you scroll to the lower part of that post you see just what you are talking about, a cardboard SAB with plastic wrap ffor viewing  :super:


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: 13shrooms]
    #25559942 - 10/23/18 08:13 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

So with the torch, you keep it on the outside of the SAB? heat the needle then go back into the SAB for the inoculation
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    #25559947 - 10/23/18 08:15 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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So with the torch, you keep it on the outside of the SAB? heat the needle then go back into the SAB for the inoculation
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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: teladi]
    #25576587 - 10/29/18 02:46 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: C45]
    #25586334 - 11/02/18 09:02 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

thanks for putting this out there.  I like to keep it simple as well.

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: medicinalmush]
    #25623904 - 11/18/18 06:46 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Glad I read this first, would have made arm holes too close together.  Thanks for making it easier for us noobs!

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25638548 - 11/25/18 03:31 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

First I tried this with 66q tub and a coffee can, and then had to toss it because it was WAY too confining. Impossible to work with. I then made one with 110q tub and 105oz can of Hominy. It works absolutely fantastic. Thanks.

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    #25643644 - 11/27/18 07:58 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for all the time you put into these TEKS, BOD. Been reading voraciously! Thanks again!

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    #25661988 - 12/06/18 03:41 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks Bod!

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25722521 - 01/04/19 09:45 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Really nice straight forward tek, thanks!

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    #25761133 - 01/22/19 03:15 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: qiffrox]
    #25778762 - 01/30/19 10:09 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Glove box = no no, thank gods too, what an unwieldy thing

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25783867 - 02/01/19 01:45 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Great simple Tek. Thanks!

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    #25793507 - 02/05/19 06:59 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Are you using a lid? Or just placing tub on clean surface? Sorry,hard to tell by the picture.

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Akamykedee]
    #25793511 - 02/05/19 07:04 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

I put it down on a flat clean surface. I used to put it on the lid.

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    #25793521 - 02/05/19 07:08 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Hard to tell if bod uses a lid or not,dont look like it though..thanks man

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Akamykedee]
    #25793542 - 02/05/19 07:23 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

It says put stuff on a table put sab over top. You can see the handle latches facing downwards on a flat table in the first post

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25795792 - 02/06/19 06:23 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Some things to keep in mind when making a SAB...
1. When shopping for a sab, try to find one with a relatively flat lid. You see tha weight in mine? Thats cus the lid goes in so much it makes everything lean or uneven, the weight it to pop it down for a more level workspace.
2. When shopping for a sab tote, look for one that also has flat and very clear plastic. This one pictured, it looks clear, but looking up close it is kinda hard to see detail through it. Flat sides not fancy bends!
3. Make sure you make your arm holes a cofortable distance apart, so that you can work well, and have manuverability.
4. I heard an elevated workspace helps a lot with contams, what you see pictured is a silverwear holder meant for the inside of a drawer, they had a few styles but this one had a perfect flatness and square wire holes for the job. Its sitting on a papertowel dampened from wiping up lysol sprayed on top n bottom n throughout the sab, keeps it from sliding.
5. Something underneath to keep sab from moving on slipwpery services, i used a rug meant for bathroom, sprayed down pretty good with 70% iso.
Thats it for now, thought I’d share to save others from the hastle this particular sab has brought me...


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Drohammad] * 2
    #25795793 - 02/06/19 06:24 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Use a table as the lid. Its flatter than any lid

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #25796710 - 02/07/19 06:46 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

I thought the point of your Simple AF series was to be so simple all these pages of comments/questions wouldnt be necessary.  :laugh2:

well at least thats what I would have figured :wow:

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25801225 - 02/09/19 10:20 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Good lookin out, i used a towel wet with dish soap on the table as my base last night, much more room!👌

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    #25819061 - 02/17/19 02:45 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: qiffrox]
    #25858313 - 03/07/19 11:56 AM (5 years, 22 days ago)

Great post, and I think I'm going to use a plastic table from now on.

But I have a question. I've been wrapping my jars in a towel to keep them away from the edge of my all American 25x autoclave. That towel should be pretty clean... Right?  So placing that on the table should be ok right? But then again if he doesn't then I shouldn't bother.

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: FatherLube]
    #25858317 - 03/07/19 12:00 PM (5 years, 22 days ago)

should be sterile yes, but a towel doesn't have any use in this hobby IMO/E. just pull your jars in from the sides and you'll be fine


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25858554 - 03/07/19 02:11 PM (5 years, 22 days ago)

The sides shouldn't get so hot that they can cause the jars to crack, though.

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: teladi]
    #25858905 - 03/07/19 04:50 PM (5 years, 22 days ago)

while that's probably true I always make sure they aren't touching because it's easy and I hate losing jars


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25933358 - 04/13/19 11:21 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Are there any downsides to using a tub how it is with the lid and some holes and not using it upside dow with a table as the bottom?

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Spreadtheknowledge]
    #25975550 - 05/06/19 11:01 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

My lid is not entirely sturdy, and has ridges and channels. Table would just be a better more sturdy surface for me.


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25981285 - 05/09/19 06:13 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Awesome! thanks man!

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25993047 - 05/14/19 07:17 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Fantastic! This answered so many questions for me! Many thanks!


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    #26052876 - 06/14/19 07:02 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Love it, thanks!

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    #26101405 - 07/11/19 12:36 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Quick question: is ozium sufficient to sanitize the interior of a SAB? As in, wiping it with alcohol, spray the towel, orient the SAB, spray the inside? I usually place all my work on the towel and then invert the SAB.


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: jbgtaa] * 1
    #26102025 - 07/11/19 10:58 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Use soapy water or nothing. Do not put alcohol in a SAB where you insert a flaming hot scalpel which can ignite alcohol vapor and explode in your face.


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: JHOVA]
    #26102054 - 07/11/19 11:19 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

soapy water or nothing...? seriously? First of all, i dont flame my scalpel inside the SAB, and when i do flame my scalpel i cool it with alcohol before use. Why would i use soapy water instead of ozium if im not lighting fire inside? Ive heard of people using lysol.


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: jbgtaa]
    #26102126 - 07/11/19 11:58 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

That's retarded. You contaminate your scalpel with alcohol lol. It's not sterile anymore bud.

Keep it stupid simple water and soap or nothing at all. You don't need fancy mechanics to understand what is going on in a SAB.

Read the tek on the first page which you clearly did not read.


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: JHOVA] * 1
    #26102189 - 07/11/19 12:25 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Fancy mechanics? Dog i read the post, lose the fucking attitude. If you want to talk about fancy mechanics we can talk about the air sanitization rates of ozium vs whatever soap your trying to use, which is not meant to be atomized or misted which inherently means its not reaching every inch of air of the box. I read the post, and asked if ozium COULD be used, and you said absolutely no, in the words "soapy water or nothing" and at that point, i had to disagree with you because if soapy water were better at sanitizing air than literally anything else that is sold for that purpose, then that's what people would be using for their homes, for smoke elimination, you know what air sanitizers are actually used for?
EDIT: its really not fucking cool to call anyone a retard. I notice it used alot here and for a group of people with a higher mental capacity than most im astonished at that.


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: jbgtaa]
    #26102350 - 07/11/19 01:35 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Didn't call you names I stated you idea is dumb. Name calling is prohibited. A SAB works by means of still air. Very simple physics. Particles fall down. If no air is moving and all the particles in the air are on the floor of your sub you don't need a sterilized of sanitized surface you don't need clean air.


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WHY IT WORKS

You CANNOT sterilize the inside of a SAB
Sanitizers are not Sterilizers
and Sanitary is not sufficiently contamination free to do STERILE work.
thus you have to work with physics rather than your chemicals
you do not want air movement, it's a STILL AIR BOX
this is why glove boxes are a no-no in this hobby
glove boxes with attached gloves create air currents, you don't want to stir up non sterile air, you want to avoid having the contamination end up in your work in the first place

This design uses no sleeves or any caps on the arm holes. I believe my work speaks for the efficacy of not needing to over complicate things.




You need to read up on sterile technique. Putting alcohol on a sterilized blade is not sterile work and will lead to lots of contamination. Check out the stickies.


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: jbgtaa]
    #26102463 - 07/11/19 02:53 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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Fancy mechanics? Dog i read the post, lose the fucking attitude. If you want to talk about fancy mechanics we can talk about the air sanitization rates of ozium vs whatever soap your trying to use, which is not meant to be atomized or misted which inherently means its not reaching every inch of air of the box. I read the post, and asked if ozium COULD be used, and you said absolutely no, in the words "soapy water or nothing" and at that point, i had to disagree with you because if soapy water were better at sanitizing air than literally anything else that is sold for that purpose, then that's what people would be using for their homes, for smoke elimination, you know what air sanitizers are actually used for?
EDIT: its really not fucking cool to call anyone a retard. I notice it used alot here and for a group of people with a higher mental capacity than most im astonished at that.



No one called you a retard... But dipping anything you flamed sterilize into alcohol is retarded. Alcohol is sanitizer and alcohol can harbor contaminants that it doesn't kill. Sterile alcohol for use in labs is ridiculously expensive. They push it through a 0.2 micron filter

Ozium is a glycolized spray. I think its PG and PEG if I remember right. Its just a ridiculously expensive version of spraying soapy water which works for thousands and thousands of people.( And so does not spraying your SAB at all)

We don't spray to sanitize the box. We spray to theoretically knock down contaminants. And then have them stick to the walls and floor where they cant become airborne again

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26102815 - 07/11/19 06:04 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Great tek. Thanks!

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: shroomanly]
    #26103368 - 07/12/19 12:42 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Okay so dont cool off the scalpel with alcohol, got it. And ozium is just as effective as soapy water, right? I didnt go out and buy ozium for my SAB, I just had some because i smoke in my house and dont really like the smell. Thats why i use it. And im hip to the principles of the still air box, i just couldnt understand why this guy was specifically telling me to not use ozium when its literally designed to clean the air. I understand that thats not the exact point of the still air box, but to say "soapy water or nothing" just seemed ridiculous to me.


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: jbgtaa]
    #26103379 - 07/12/19 01:07 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

thats because you still dont get the physics of a sab :shrug:


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26150324 - 08/24/19 01:41 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

I've read BOD's SAB tek.
And I have a couple of question, please.

1) For example, when I'm going to inoculate grain jars using spore syringe.
Should I spray soap water into SAB, when grain jars and spore syringe are already placed inside the SAB?
Or should I spray soap water to empty SAB (grain jars and syringe outside the SAB), then wipe grain jars and spore syringe using alcohol and then put them inside the SAB?
I mean, if I spray soap water inside the SAB, when grain jars and spore syringe are already placed inside it - jars will be wet and soapy, no? Is it ok?

2) Should I spray soap water inside my SAB through arm holes? Or should I spray soap water from top of SAB, then rotate it upside down and put to table?

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Gwindor]
    #26150511 - 08/24/19 07:51 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Doesn't really matter for either question

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26150724 - 08/24/19 10:57 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

It can matter if your jars get wet. Most filters will be fine, but I have some stupid papery SFDs that just get wrecked at the slightest bit of moisture.

The SFDs are crap and I shouldn't have bought them but they did come from a sponsor here, so I figured I should say something.


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Alchemycologist]
    #26150727 - 08/24/19 10:58 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Everything inside the PC is going to get wet the entire volume of space in the PC is steam and during cool down that turns back to liquid water. Even under the foil over lids. So you already have to use filters that don't get ruined from moisture

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26150731 - 08/24/19 11:00 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Right, but the SFDs I'm talking about will rip and flake off material if you try to wipe them while wet. They're fine if you don't fuck with them but I've had them get wrecked while wiping them with alcohol.

Again, my SFDs are crap and I wouldn't buy them again but someone else might have the same problem.


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Alchemycologist]
    #26151584 - 08/24/19 10:47 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

I’m sorry to add to this off-topic conversation, but I’ve heard that you should try to keep polyfil lids as dry as possible because if they’re wet they can grow contaminated. Is there any truth to this? After the pc cycle I mean, obviously they’re saturated with steam and sterilized in the pc


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: jbgtaa]
    #26151653 - 08/24/19 11:50 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

They'll dry out when you remove them from the cooker

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26151660 - 08/25/19 12:04 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

I've fucked up sfds by leaving them in the cooker for a month. Just don't do that and you'll be good


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #26151735 - 08/25/19 01:50 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Usually i take my jars out about 3 minutes after the top drops on the pc w a jar handler, tighten the lid, crunch the foil a bit around the band, and return the the cardboard jar box. shake thoroughly right before a2g/g2g.  i assumed they steamed off, im just having some problems with like 1/6 jars going green and im trying to convince myself it's anything but my grow area... (wet basement, huge sporeload i'd imagine).


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: jbgtaa]
    #26151750 - 08/25/19 02:11 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Don't leave the foil on and make your poly linds tighter, that's the problem with poly, its inconsistent. Also check all your other factors like technique, grain prep and anything on your jar rings or threads that could wick contams into


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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26151769 - 08/25/19 02:30 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you!
And what about petri dishes. If I want to inoculate agar in petri dishes using inoculation loop. Is it ok, if petri dishes will be wet and soapy? I mean soapy water can be leaked inside petri dishes...

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Gwindor]
    #26151794 - 08/25/19 03:09 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Is it true a dry SAB can be more contam free than a wet soapy SAB?

Trying to get the best out of my SAB, even went out of the way to get a metal screen for the bottom of my SAB to keep objects inside the SAB off of the ground.

Should I just spray the bottom with some soapy water? Or is a dry SAB best?
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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Gwindor]
    #26151984 - 08/25/19 07:45 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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Thank you!
And what about petri dishes. If I want to inoculate agar in petri dishes using inoculation loop. Is it ok, if petri dishes will be wet and soapy? I mean soapy water can be leaked inside petri dishes...



Put the dishes in after you spray then lol.
Besides were talking a quick light mist not a drenching

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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #26161878 - 08/31/19 05:17 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

As I understand the point of SAB is that inside surfaces of SAB become wet and soapy, and contaminants from air stick to all wet and soapy surfaces.

If I preload all working stuff in SAB before spraying soapy water inside, that means all working stuff will have soapy surfaces sticking contaminants.

For example, if I put jars and spore syringe inside the SAB and then spray inside. My syringe and jars surfaces will become soapy and will get contaminants from the air sticked to them.
And will I need to touch jars and syringe carefully and wipe my hands with alcohol after touching them each time, because their surfaces are "dirty" and full of contaminants?

I mean, I'm trying to imagine process, and it seems to me, that jars and syringe will become kind of "dirty" if I spray soap water when they're inside the SAB.

Do I understand the mechanics correctly?

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