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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Jooby]
#26329736 - 11/18/19 07:31 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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well its not rocket surgery
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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: 13shrooms] 1
#26333346 - 11/20/19 11:39 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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jerdope said: Why is SAB better than a glove box, everytime you remove your hands from that box its going to create a low pressure which outside air has to rush in to fill. Also putting your arms in will create a higher pressure. Both of which will stir everything inside up just as much or more as a glove box no?
nope, not at all. if you load your SAB up youre not going in and out but maybe 1 or 2 times to flame a tool but thats about it, the gloves cant be cleaned or anything because they get attached and when you pull your hands out of that it does what you mentioned about pressures.
the arm holes arent tight to your arms so there should be no pressure changes when you move in and out of your SAB. 
That’s not really how physics work just because the arm holes are bigger doesn’t mean the volume of your arms don’t get replaced when you remove your arms.
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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: DeckardCain]
#26334911 - 11/21/19 03:50 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Im not trying to explain the physics but rather the movements that dont jack things up, theres no plunger effect. its been proven time and time again that gloveboxes are worthless in this hobby compared to SABs.. if you had tight arm holes the air would be forced in while you pulled your arm out but with larger holes its not turbulent and the movement is easier as opposed to attached gloves. if you prepped your SAB that air exchange doesnt matter anyway for anything that should be swirling around in your SAB should get stuck to the walls if you sprayed them down b4 hand.. 
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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: DeckardCain] 1
#26334996 - 11/21/19 05:06 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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jerdope said:
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jerdope said: Why is SAB better than a glove box, everytime you remove your hands from that box its going to create a low pressure which outside air has to rush in to fill. Also putting your arms in will create a higher pressure. Both of which will stir everything inside up just as much or more as a glove box no?
nope, not at all. if you load your SAB up youre not going in and out but maybe 1 or 2 times to flame a tool but thats about it, the gloves cant be cleaned or anything because they get attached and when you pull your hands out of that it does what you mentioned about pressures.
the arm holes arent tight to your arms so there should be no pressure changes when you move in and out of your SAB. 
That’s not really how physics work just because the arm holes are bigger doesn’t mean the volume of your arms don’t get replaced when you remove your arms.
He said pressure changes not volume changes. Of course the volume exchanges you're putting your hands in and out
Putting your hands in a small tube is like a bike pump putting your hands in a big opening is like driving a car into a garage. You don't increase the air pressure in your garage when you drive a car in you don't increase the pressure of your home when you walk thru the door. You don't increase the pressure in a SAB if the arm holes are big enough. Make the arm holes smaller and the air will have a hard time displacing and will raise the pressure. Like how a bike pump works. The rod is like your hand and the tube is like an arm hole. But there's almost no tolerance between the two surfaces. So when you "put your arms in" you don't displace air you pressurize it. Small arm holes don't exactly work like a pump but they don't displace the air as gently and cause more turbulence
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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#26350058 - 11/28/19 07:10 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for this write up. I started some agar plates with some success, but this will help improve my success rate drastically.
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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#26352610 - 11/29/19 06:40 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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bodhisatta said:
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13shrooms said:
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jerdope said: Why is SAB better than a glove box, everytime you remove your hands from that box its going to create a low pressure which outside air has to rush in to fill. Also putting your arms in will create a higher pressure. Both of which will stir everything inside up just as much or more as a glove box no?
nope, not at all. if you load your SAB up youre not going in and out but maybe 1 or 2 times to flame a tool but thats about it, the gloves cant be cleaned or anything because they get attached and when you pull your hands out of that it does what you mentioned about pressures.
the arm holes arent tight to your arms so there should be no pressure changes when you move in and out of your SAB. 
That’s not really how physics work just because the arm holes are bigger doesn’t mean the volume of your arms don’t get replaced when you remove your arms.
He said pressure changes not volume changes. Of course the volume exchanges you're putting your hands in and out
Putting your hands in a small tube is like a bike pump putting your hands in a big opening is like driving a car into a garage. You don't increase the air pressure in your garage when you drive a car in you don't increase the pressure of your home when you walk thru the door. You don't increase the pressure in a SAB if the arm holes are big enough. Make the arm holes smaller and the air will have a hard time displacing and will raise the pressure. Like how a bike pump works. The rod is like your hand and the tube is like an arm hole. But there's almost no tolerance between the two surfaces. So when you "put your arms in" you don't displace air you pressurize it. Small arm holes don't exactly work like a pump but they don't displace the air as gently and cause more turbulence
Well actually you’re wrong when you say that when you enter a house or a garage that air pressure doesn’t rise. If you replace volume of air in a enclosed space the exact same amount of air stays in that room which would compress it ever so slightly. Causing a higher pressure, which is why the air you displaced would evacuate to a lower pressure area (outside). Air does not just decide to leave the room when you enter it. But anyways I get that you’re saying the bigger the hole; the less the velocity of air that rushes out and less velocity equals less disruption inside your box. Either way the sab seems much easier to use than a glove box anyways and with at least the same results. So
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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: DeckardCain] 1
#26356551 - 12/02/19 01:26 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: cronicr]
#26368403 - 12/08/19 06:45 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice info! Thank you for the link list!
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your top picture is only true if you invert the gloves as you remove them. if you leave the gloves in box and remove your hands the volume stays the same. Plus when you remove your hands the work should be done anyways? 
The second one im not sure if the hand is supposed to be going in or out, but contaminants are quite light and dont fall the the floor of your box quite so instantly. I totally agree sab is the way to go, and it is much much easier to do, i was just confused why everyone thought there is no air movement in a sab and there is a ton in a glove box. Really is a pointless argument im making lol sab ftw
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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: DeckardCain] 1
#26368760 - 12/08/19 10:12 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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No one thinks that there isn’t movement in a dab, but there is less air currents created by the user in a SAB
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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: DeckardCain]
#26368788 - 12/08/19 10:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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your top picture is only true if you invert the gloves as you remove them. if you leave the gloves in box and remove your hands the volume stays the same. Plus when you remove your hands the work should be done anyways? 
The second one im not sure if the hand is supposed to be going in or out, but contaminants are quite light and dont fall the the floor of your box quite so instantly. I totally agree sab is the way to go, and it is much much easier to do, i was just confused why everyone thought there is no air movement in a sab and there is a ton in a glove box. Really is a pointless argument im making lol sab ftw
contams stick to the walls of the SAB because they were misted with soapy water b4 hand if they dont fall to the bottom. Also try to flame sterilizing your tools in between transfers or jars THEN come back with your thoughts.
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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: 13shrooms]
#26368792 - 12/08/19 10:37 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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your top picture is only true if you invert the gloves as you remove them. if you leave the gloves in box and remove your hands the volume stays the same. Plus when you remove your hands the work should be done anyways? 
The second one im not sure if the hand is supposed to be going in or out, but contaminants are quite light and dont fall the the floor of your box quite so instantly. I totally agree sab is the way to go, and it is much much easier to do, i was just confused why everyone thought there is no air movement in a sab and there is a ton in a glove box. Really is a pointless argument im making lol sab ftw
contams stick to the walls of the SAB because they were misted with soapy water b4 hand if they dont fall to the bottom. Also try to flame sterilizing your tools in between transfers or jars THEN come back with your thoughts. 
Did it all the time when i started back in 2012
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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: DeckardCain]
#26368990 - 12/08/19 12:31 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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The illustration is not mine BTW (forgot the user and apparently can't tell from the image, unfortunately). Don't know how you'd reliably prevent glove inversion. Second pic is maybe a bit misleading, esp. since dirt will always be falling down from your hands/gloves, but I imagine inbound currents (mostly from taking hands out) will also be pretty slow, so maybe gravity has a better chance to be relevant.
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Best TEK’s ever, thanks bod.
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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Cthulhu23]
#26413686 - 01/03/20 05:54 AM (4 years, 25 days ago) |
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jbgtaa said: get the lidless 120qt sterilite with GREEN handles, and use a coffee can for the holes
Or, go for the 200qt! I finally got one and it’s taller - makes pouring agar and G2G much much easier!
Do these these lay relatively flat? I'm looking to update my SAB. Is the 200qt you mention a Sterilite as well?
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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Cyberoxide]
#26413725 - 01/03/20 06:39 AM (4 years, 25 days ago) |
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Yea. I love mine.
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I think the mist cleans the air itself, mabey some static stuff going on with the soap too... I know it has an "affinity" for oils so maybe biologic's too...
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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: tramalot]
#26445839 - 01/22/20 08:42 AM (4 years, 6 days ago) |
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so easy so simple so effective.. thanks!
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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: Johnny51v3]
#26482627 - 02/12/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why is the"BODs 2017" thread blocked behind the 10 post barrier? Perpetual lurker here, hate making 9 more useless posts to get to more information.
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Re: BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK [Re: FungiMunchi]
#26482703 - 02/12/20 08:20 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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use your own journal and post a ton to raise your count.
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