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How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal?
    #23990621 - 01/07/17 07:35 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

I read this article recently:

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/how-long-until-we-can-medically-grow-magic-mushrooms-an-investigation

I am wondering.. How far off are we from legal psilocybin? It treats a variety of conditions, with far fewer side effects than other drugs.


I'd say within 5-10 years.


Prohibition causes more harm than good. Do you agree?


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Brewtus]
    #23990673 - 01/07/17 07:50 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

Maybe with the helps of MAPS, unfortunately society doesn't like the way  psychedelic s make you realize just about everything you were raised up and told is a lie.


Psychedelics are not illegal because a loving government is concerned that you may jump out the first story window, Psychedelics are illegal because they dissolve phonic structures and culturally laid down novels of behavior and information processing, they open you up to the possibility that everything you know is wrong.
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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #23990684 - 01/07/17 07:52 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

without giving it too much thought i'd say 5-10years in some places.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #23990707 - 01/07/17 07:56 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

Psychedelics act on the raphae nuclei.. Making users more open to new/novel ideas.. This can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on who you talk to.

The classic psychedelic burnout is amazed at everything.. "Whoa dude!"

I think you can overdo it. But nonetheless, it has so much potential to heal, I can't believe it is schedule 1 (LSD and MDMA too).  :facepalm3:


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Brewtus] * 1
    #23990795 - 01/07/17 08:20 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

lol I think users in this thread are way too optimistic. psyches have an inherently poor reputation

I would say more like 50-100 years. Society sees these as far too negative. I see MDMA being first to wide medical use. then shrooms, then L. Then after all have hit the mainstream medical community, it will be legal


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: topdog82]
    #23990807 - 01/07/17 08:24 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

I agree I may be a bit too optimistic..

But 3 years ago I would have said 50+ years for marijuana as well.

And at this point in time I can walk 20 yards to a local pot shop and buy a grip of high quality pot legally. The world is changing rapidly.

FFS look at who is up to bat for POTUS.........


Edited by Brewtus (01/07/17 08:26 PM)


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Brewtus]
    #23990809 - 01/07/17 08:25 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

if mushrooms became legal in the US it would be only as the result of a massive national awakening.

with how many people uneducated about psilocybin we have currently in the states mushrooms have no chance of being legal.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23990822 - 01/07/17 08:29 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

It was unbelievable when marijuana became legal for medical use in the 90s.


I think this would be the route mushrooms would take as well..


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23990824 - 01/07/17 08:30 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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if mushrooms became legal in the US it would be only as the result of a massive national awakening.

with how many people uneducated about psilocybin we have currently in the states mushrooms have no chance of being legal.



this. I have ran my head through the hypothetical that if overtime meditation were to be taught in schools, in a generation or two, I think the entire structure of soceity would change. And then after 1-2 generations decriminalization of psyches would be reached


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: topdog82] * 1
    #23990828 - 01/07/17 08:31 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

Yeah, we aren't even responsible enough to have kratom.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Amanita86]
    #23990830 - 01/07/17 08:32 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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Yeah, we aren't even responsible enough to have kratom.



Why do you say that? Because of it's addictive potential?


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23990848 - 01/07/17 08:37 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

I was saying it sarcastically.. since they're trying to ban it and it's about as dangerous as a box turtle.

There's no way mushrooms will get the green light.  It not only does have a potential of someone who isn't well versed doing something stupid, but also offers up revelations that arent always aligned with the "powers that be'" motives.

You know what I'm saying?  There would have to be 'classes' and teachers like tribes do on a smaller scale with their shamans/medicine men..

Maybe years and years down the line, but not anytime soon..


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Brewtus]
    #23990854 - 01/07/17 08:39 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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It was unbelievable when marijuana became legal for medical use in the 90s.


I think this would be the route mushrooms would take as well..




yes and no, many many many more people have used marijuana through out the entire scope of human history than have used mushrooms.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Amanita86]
    #23990860 - 01/07/17 08:41 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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I was saying it sarcastically.. since they're trying to ban it and it's about as dangerous as a box turtle.

There's no way mushrooms will get the green light.  It not only does have a potential of someone who isn't well versed doing something stupid, but also offers up revelations that arent always aligned with the "powers that be'" motives.

You know what I'm saying?  There would have to be 'classes' and teachers like tribes do on a smaller scale with their shamans/medicine men..



Word, the sarcasm went over my head.

The best chance for mushrooms is a decriminalization across the board of all drugs, or a clear alternative to prison. Drug therapy is a better alternative than jail time by miles, even if it's ridiculous to send someone to state mandated drug therapy for something like mushrooms in the first place.

Mushrooms - and all psychedelics really - are obscure enough that people confuse them with hard drugs.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23990866 - 01/07/17 08:43 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

There is a lot of research going on right now that supports the medicinal use of psilocybin for anxiety, depression, cluster headaches, etc.

I think this is the cornerstone of legalization. Yes, the fact that it can be grown at home means that there is limited potential for pharmaceutical companies to make money on it. But same with marijuana.. And it's now legal in many states.

The stigma pscyhedelics have is indeed larger than marijuana. But I remember going to D.A.R.E. classes in the 80s, and hearing that cannabis was one of the WORST drugs you could get your hands on (it leads to indefinite heroin addiction).


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23990877 - 01/07/17 08:49 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

It's a sign of the times, our culture.  People as a whole have lost touch with nature.  A few generations back people lived in nature, now we take vacations to go trek around for a week.  Just talking to my grandma about how she was raised is like stepping into a different world.  All that is getting forgotten.

Society seems cool, but when the power goes out, all this technology just becomes shit taking up space.  A catastrophic event that put us back to square one would leave a lot of people lost on what exactly to do.

Same goes with these things like mushrooms and spirit.  People forgot over time.. of course some people still practice on their own (like a lot of us here) but the majority of people, I think would flip their shit when those shrooms really started to kick in for the first time, and wouldn't know exactly what to do.

That whole plants and spirituality 'muscle' has kind of withered away in the grand scheme of thing..  It'll take a lot of work to build that back up as a whole.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Brewtus]
    #23990890 - 01/07/17 08:52 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

ive known many members of MAPS including the founder (rick) for several years personally. im very aware of the greater expanse of scientific info backing the legalization of chemicals such as psilocybin and MDMA but the thing is at this point in time the majority of society is not privy to this kind of information or if they are they lack the understanding of its factual validity.

for the greater expanse of society to accept the truth about things like mushrooms they will need to be exposed to these truths directly either through ingesting psil themselves of having enough people around them who do that they will accept the truth about it.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Brewtus]
    #23990892 - 01/07/17 08:52 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Amanita86]
    #23990895 - 01/07/17 08:54 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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Same goes with these things like mushrooms and spirit.  People forgot over time.. of course some people still practice on their own (like a lot of us here) but the majority of people, I think would flip their shit when those shrooms really started to kick in, and wouldn't know exactly what to do.





Yes, shrooms are so powerful that home use could lead to (and has lead to) increased stigma that they are bad news.

But if they are taken medicinally, in a clinical setting, I don't think it would be as much of a problem when they 'kick in.'


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Brewtus]
    #23990902 - 01/07/17 08:54 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

July 22nd 2040.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Brewtus] * 1
    #23990934 - 01/07/17 09:02 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

That's what I mean when I say there would have to be classes or teachers.  It's not like turning someone loose with a joint, as I'm sure you understand..


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Amanita86] * 1
    #23990939 - 01/07/17 09:03 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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It's a sign of the times, our culture.  People as a whole have lost touch with nature.  A few generations back people lived in nature, now we take vacations to go trek around for a week.  Just talking to my grandma about how she was raised is like stepping into a different world.  All that is getting forgotten.

Society seems cool, but when the power goes out, all this technology just becomes shit taking up space.  A catastrophic event that put us back to square one would leave a lot of people lost on what exactly to do.

Same goes with these things like mushrooms and spirit.  People forgot over time.. of course some people still practice on their own (like a lot of us here) but the majority of people, I think would flip their shit when those shrooms really started to kick in for the first time, and wouldn't know exactly what to do.

That whole plants and spirituality 'muscle' has kind of withered away in the grand scheme of thing..  It'll take a lot of work to build that back up as a whole.



I listened to a talk by Graham Hancock a while back that touched on these themes. His whole thing is he believes that there were ancient cities and a large empire that thrived about 12,000 years ago, but got wiped out by natural disaster. I tend to like the idea that this is a possibility, and he makes a good argument.

One of the points he made was that hunter/gatherer cultures were able to survive such a disaster and continue on with human endeavors, while those who were bound to the cities and society (when was the last time you were more than a few miles from a road?) were much worse off and couldn't survive it and got wiped out - and that there is a gap of knowledge or a dark age that happened for a few thousand years afterwards. But the hunter/gatherer cultures were able to survive because they were more in tune with how to survive. They didn't need another person to capture their food, and someone else to make their clothes. The tribes were self sustaining if they survived the initial catastrophes.

It's an interesting theory and kind of ties in to what you're saying. I've strayed off topic a bit though.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Amanita86]
    #23990942 - 01/07/17 09:04 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

its a little known fact that albert hofmann hoped that in the future there would be centers created for people to take and become educated about psychedelics.

someone look it up if you dont believe me lol.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: czech] * 1
    #23990944 - 01/07/17 09:04 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

I feel they will only become legal when society breaks down to the point it isn't there to deem them illegal.

If you recall, they were once legal in the Netherlands and now they are illegal (except for a loophole for truffles).

Same with Japan, they were once legal and now they aren't. 

There might be a possibility for them to be used in medical settings, but I doubt they'd ever become legalized for personal use. 

Not that it wouldn't be awesome if they were decriminalized.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23990958 - 01/07/17 09:09 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

No, that's pretty much it.  You ever go hunting/fishing with a green horn city kid?  They get all kinds of clumsy and shit.  It's all new.

I worked with a 20 year old that didn't know how to cook a hot dog because he always eats microwave food.  I'm not bullshitting you.. in some ways, convienience can result in ignorance.

The cool thing is, mushrooms etc. are getting talked about more and more so as little as it is the 'snowball' is showing movement.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23990968 - 01/07/17 09:11 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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its a little known fact that albert hofmann hoped that in the future there would be centers created for people to take and become educated about psychedelics.

someone look it up if you dont believe me lol.



If that were to become a reality, it would be some next level progress in my book.  That's the kind of hospital thjs world really needs right now.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Amanita86]
    #23990987 - 01/07/17 09:17 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

i once heard a woman state that having psychedelic medicines be illegal makes her as a doctor feel like a fireman without a hose because its that stupid that we know these chemicals help people yet we are banned from using them.

i applauded her commentary whole heartedly.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23991035 - 01/07/17 09:36 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

No doubt.  That's why I always get :tinfoil: when they put these things in categories where they can't even be researched.  It's clearly an attempt to 'just make them all go away'..  You have doctors saying we need to study this shit and some 'suit' just says no.  It starts to seem a little fishy after awhile.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Amanita86]
    #23991117 - 01/07/17 10:04 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

"after a while" was the first time i ever smoked weed at the end of 8th grade for me lol


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: BlackWidow]
    #23991151 - 01/07/17 10:12 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

uhm....wut?!?!


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23991354 - 01/07/17 11:53 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

Id say 25-100 years for psychotherapy and shit. Longer for personal use maybe like 60-150 years.

Psyches have a very bad repuatation.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23991383 - 01/08/17 12:09 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

whats a psychedelic mushroom


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: venetianblinds]
    #23991439 - 01/08/17 12:48 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

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whats a psychedelic mushroom



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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: topdog82]
    #23991445 - 01/08/17 12:51 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

why am i feeling deja vu right now


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: venetianblinds]
    #23991831 - 01/08/17 08:49 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

I'd say more then ten less then 20. Ideally, tomorrow


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23991850 - 01/08/17 09:02 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

Its hard to schedule psychedelic drugs because it can cause a vast difference in effects on people. Also not to sound ignorant or anything but I think most people in society would not be able to handle a psychedelic experience and not know enoug habout dosage or even their effects for that matter and could potentially hurt someone by driving or freaking out or something like that.
I dont condone psychedelics being illegal but to have them readily available to people who can buy however much they want then take an amount thinking its ok because its legal so must be like drinking or whatever logic they put towards it is unsafe and irresponsible.

Sorry I am rambling but I feel they have a far more dangerous outcome especially if a lot of people were on them at a bar and drinking as well, its already bad enough with alcohol imagine people who cant decipher what reality is and not but also wasted and angry looking to fight.

I have seen shit liek that happen to people in bars having worked in them for years not to mention at parties and gatherings and so on.. It can get serious very quick and sometimes on psychedelics everythign can be serious.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: SonicTitan]
    #23991908 - 01/08/17 09:28 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

Its more of a freedom thing. Consequences aren't the point.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23991927 - 01/08/17 09:38 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

Not in any of our lifetimes ill tell you that

It may be available for cancer paitents and stuff in the next 20 years


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23991942 - 01/08/17 09:45 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

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Not in any of our lifetimes ill tell you that

It may be available for cancer paitents and stuff in the next 20 years




This.  It depends on what OP means by "legal."  Even if developed into a medication, psilocybin would be schedule 2. This will take some time though.


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: badchad]
    #23991955 - 01/08/17 09:50 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

I don't think the mushrooms themselves will be legalized because there are too many differences between strain and psychoactive content. Plus it's too debilitating. If you can functionally operate while being high on 2 grams. You have a mushroom problem.

But, psylocybin on the other hand will become a a medication at some point. Most likely an anti-depressor and people won't have a clue that what they are taking comes from magic mushrooms. To the point where they won't even believe it even if you told them. But that's typical lack of general knowledge, now harm there.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Brewtus]
    #23991957 - 01/08/17 09:52 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

I didn't go to the link but form what I know, thanks to MAPS MDMA will be legal for medical use by the year 2020 or 2021 and Rick Doblin said psilocybin was their next goal so some time between 2025 and 2030 maybe? Hopefully 2035 at most.

He said the reason they're going to do psilocybin next is because it's not a plant like ayahuasca ad marijuana therefore it will be easier to get testing done on and approved for it because they I guess make it harder to get testing approved for actual plants.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: topdog82]
    #23991966 - 01/08/17 09:59 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

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lol I think users in this thread are way too optimistic. psyches have an inherently poor reputation

I would say more like 50-100 years. Society sees these as far too negative. I see MDMA being first to wide medical use. then shrooms, then L. Then after all have hit the mainstream medical community, it will be legal




Wait are we talking about recreational use legalized and having them sold in shops like in Amsterdam? Yeah I don't think that will ever happen, okay maybe it will but I don't want it to.

Hopefully people treat it like Ayahuasca instead and open up centers like that for spiritual use not recreational.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23992115 - 01/08/17 10:55 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

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i once heard a woman state that having psychedelic medicines be illegal makes her as a doctor feel like a fireman without a hose because its that stupid that we know these chemicals help people yet we are banned from using them.

i applauded her commentary whole heartedly.



I just wanted to comment on this. I feel that the reason that L and mushrooms don't gain traction in the medical community is because their psychedelic nature makes them inherently unpredictable in their effect. That is not to say that they are "bad" but its hard to sell something in the scientific community that does not give consistent objective results. The psychedelic experience is inherently subjective and chaotic

MDMA on the other hand, is in my opinion much more consistent. I think MDMA will get legalized for medical use first before the other ones. For me, on clean MDMA, I feel completely sober and clean, just really happy and incredibly extroverted. I can't say the same for classic psyches

So I see why the medical community is skeptical. And I support open-minded skepticism when it comes to science. But open-minded skepticism is different than the full blown hatred and outright lies that is being peddled by the american govt. The true scientist would be inquiistive about the psychedelic experience and want to explore


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: topdog82]
    #23992172 - 01/08/17 11:24 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

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I feel that the reason that L and mushrooms don't gain traction in the medical community is because their psychedelic nature makes them inherently unpredictable in their effect. That is not to say that they are "bad" but its hard to sell something in the scientific community that does not give consistent objective results. The psychedelic experience is inherently subjective and chaotic


So I see why the medical community is skeptical. And I support open-minded skepticism when it comes to science. But open-minded skepticism is different than the full blown hatred and outright lies that is being peddled by the american govt. The true scientist would be inquiistive about the psychedelic experience and want to explore




That isn't really why. It isn't because their effects are "inconsistent" it's that they can't sell something that you only have to take once. They are interested in medicine not cures or quick fixes.

Also the bias against them is simply due to them being very powerful hallucinogens and people think "that's bad" because we have this weird idea that being sober all the time is somehow "good" and the more mind altering something is the more "dangerous" and "risky" it is.
It's just old stigmas, many people still treat psychedelics like psychotomimetics.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23992676 - 01/08/17 03:04 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

After reading some of the comments.. I definitely should have specified what I mean by "legal" (was a bit buzzed when I posted hehe).

By legal I mean for medicinal or recreational use in the United States or Canada.

I strongly feel that legal psilocybin will first take the form of medicinal - just like marijuana. e.g. needing a doctors recommendation or prescription. I also feel it is likely that medical administration of psilocybin will be similar to ketamine - done in a clinical setting with close medical supervision.

The medical route to legalization will probably take less time than recreational. My prediction of 5-10 years would be for medicinal, and recreational I would say 25+ years.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Brewtus]
    #23992920 - 01/08/17 04:17 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

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By legal I mean for medicinal or recreational use in the United States or Canada.




Okay well I think I was right? Not sure if we're still thinking of the same thing here but when you said "legal" I figured you meant legal like MDMA in 2021 or "legal" like how Ayahuasca is in certain states for spiritual/therapeutic use.

I wasn't really thinking recreational. I don't know if that will ever happen at least anytime soon and I honestly don't really think it should happen that way. I think what they did in Amsterdam was a bit irresponsible.
I think it should be legal for people to take mushrooms but only ritualistic or therapeutic settings like how it is with certain Ayahuasca treatment centers in the United States. I don't think recreational use should be illegal I think it should be decriminalized all together but I don't think any kind of shops should be selling them willy nilly.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23993011 - 01/08/17 04:46 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

It will never be legal. Heroin cocaine and meth will all be legal before acid/mushrooms/dmt. If one person in a hundred thousand freaks out, that freak out makes the media even though it like 1 in 10 drunk people causing shit. If I drop acid and get in a high speed chase because i say aliens or the devil are chasing me that shit makes the front page of the paper. Fuck even you people will repost it here and laugh.
Until people stand up to the biased media this will never cease. I can do any stupid shit i want drunk and unless i kill someone it doesn't make the paper. Even when it does I would not be representing all drunk people. The crazy LSD story is all LSD users to the majority. We are always going to be in this position, always the minority. Even people who used to do it in college and quit want it to to stay illegal so their kids never try it. We don't have a medical movement of 60 year old white people, we are fucked.
People are not sick of the nanny state in a way I hoped. It's only when it effects them personally. I am opposed to the drug war, not just for the drugs I like. Even on this very page people were cheering when bath salts got banned, or nbomes. That shows me all hope is lost, we will never get anywhere with that mentality. If you are not opposed to the whole drug war you are useless. It should be a personal freedom thing, every time a new drug is banned you lose a freedom. Doesn't even matter if it's a drug you do or not, no one asked you. Support it? Don't support it? Doesn't matter the law is going to be forced on you like it or not. You wouldn't think drug users would cheer a drug being banned, but they totally do.
I don't see legalization of psychedelics ever. We are the last group people the media and law enforcement can make up crazy stories about. While the urban legends have all been destroyed here, the population outside of here still believes them. Those type of freak out stories are the most effective propaganda I have ever seen. It worked with PCP, the most demonized drug in history. It also worked with bath salts and then flakka too. I can't even have a rational discussion about psychedelics people who never tried them because they believe every horror story about them ever told. I don't see that changing.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: my3rdeye]
    #23993233 - 01/08/17 06:16 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

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If one person in a hundred thousand freaks out, that freak out makes the media even though it like 1 in 10 drunk people causing shit.




Yeah but do you really think it's always going to be that way? Never is a strong word.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #24024592 - 01/20/17 12:48 AM (7 years, 10 days ago)

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If one person in a hundred thousand freaks out, that freak out makes the media even though it like 1 in 10 drunk people causing shit.




Yeah but do you really think it's always going to be that way? Never is a strong word.




I strongly agree with your statement. NEVER is a strong word.

Many people have said weed would never be recreational legal in the United States. Many people said a black man would never be president. The list goes on... and on.....................


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