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OfflinePatlal
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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: badchad]
    #23991955 - 01/08/17 09:50 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

I don't think the mushrooms themselves will be legalized because there are too many differences between strain and psychoactive content. Plus it's too debilitating. If you can functionally operate while being high on 2 grams. You have a mushroom problem.

But, psylocybin on the other hand will become a a medication at some point. Most likely an anti-depressor and people won't have a clue that what they are taking comes from magic mushrooms. To the point where they won't even believe it even if you told them. But that's typical lack of general knowledge, now harm there.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Brewtus]
    #23991957 - 01/08/17 09:52 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

I didn't go to the link but form what I know, thanks to MAPS MDMA will be legal for medical use by the year 2020 or 2021 and Rick Doblin said psilocybin was their next goal so some time between 2025 and 2030 maybe? Hopefully 2035 at most.

He said the reason they're going to do psilocybin next is because it's not a plant like ayahuasca ad marijuana therefore it will be easier to get testing done on and approved for it because they I guess make it harder to get testing approved for actual plants.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: topdog82]
    #23991966 - 01/08/17 09:59 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

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lol I think users in this thread are way too optimistic. psyches have an inherently poor reputation

I would say more like 50-100 years. Society sees these as far too negative. I see MDMA being first to wide medical use. then shrooms, then L. Then after all have hit the mainstream medical community, it will be legal




Wait are we talking about recreational use legalized and having them sold in shops like in Amsterdam? Yeah I don't think that will ever happen, okay maybe it will but I don't want it to.

Hopefully people treat it like Ayahuasca instead and open up centers like that for spiritual use not recreational.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23992115 - 01/08/17 10:55 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

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i once heard a woman state that having psychedelic medicines be illegal makes her as a doctor feel like a fireman without a hose because its that stupid that we know these chemicals help people yet we are banned from using them.

i applauded her commentary whole heartedly.



I just wanted to comment on this. I feel that the reason that L and mushrooms don't gain traction in the medical community is because their psychedelic nature makes them inherently unpredictable in their effect. That is not to say that they are "bad" but its hard to sell something in the scientific community that does not give consistent objective results. The psychedelic experience is inherently subjective and chaotic

MDMA on the other hand, is in my opinion much more consistent. I think MDMA will get legalized for medical use first before the other ones. For me, on clean MDMA, I feel completely sober and clean, just really happy and incredibly extroverted. I can't say the same for classic psyches

So I see why the medical community is skeptical. And I support open-minded skepticism when it comes to science. But open-minded skepticism is different than the full blown hatred and outright lies that is being peddled by the american govt. The true scientist would be inquiistive about the psychedelic experience and want to explore


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: topdog82]
    #23992172 - 01/08/17 11:24 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

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I feel that the reason that L and mushrooms don't gain traction in the medical community is because their psychedelic nature makes them inherently unpredictable in their effect. That is not to say that they are "bad" but its hard to sell something in the scientific community that does not give consistent objective results. The psychedelic experience is inherently subjective and chaotic


So I see why the medical community is skeptical. And I support open-minded skepticism when it comes to science. But open-minded skepticism is different than the full blown hatred and outright lies that is being peddled by the american govt. The true scientist would be inquiistive about the psychedelic experience and want to explore




That isn't really why. It isn't because their effects are "inconsistent" it's that they can't sell something that you only have to take once. They are interested in medicine not cures or quick fixes.

Also the bias against them is simply due to them being very powerful hallucinogens and people think "that's bad" because we have this weird idea that being sober all the time is somehow "good" and the more mind altering something is the more "dangerous" and "risky" it is.
It's just old stigmas, many people still treat psychedelics like psychotomimetics.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23992676 - 01/08/17 03:04 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

After reading some of the comments.. I definitely should have specified what I mean by "legal" (was a bit buzzed when I posted hehe).

By legal I mean for medicinal or recreational use in the United States or Canada.

I strongly feel that legal psilocybin will first take the form of medicinal - just like marijuana. e.g. needing a doctors recommendation or prescription. I also feel it is likely that medical administration of psilocybin will be similar to ketamine - done in a clinical setting with close medical supervision.

The medical route to legalization will probably take less time than recreational. My prediction of 5-10 years would be for medicinal, and recreational I would say 25+ years.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Brewtus]
    #23992920 - 01/08/17 04:17 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

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By legal I mean for medicinal or recreational use in the United States or Canada.




Okay well I think I was right? Not sure if we're still thinking of the same thing here but when you said "legal" I figured you meant legal like MDMA in 2021 or "legal" like how Ayahuasca is in certain states for spiritual/therapeutic use.

I wasn't really thinking recreational. I don't know if that will ever happen at least anytime soon and I honestly don't really think it should happen that way. I think what they did in Amsterdam was a bit irresponsible.
I think it should be legal for people to take mushrooms but only ritualistic or therapeutic settings like how it is with certain Ayahuasca treatment centers in the United States. I don't think recreational use should be illegal I think it should be decriminalized all together but I don't think any kind of shops should be selling them willy nilly.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23993011 - 01/08/17 04:46 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

It will never be legal. Heroin cocaine and meth will all be legal before acid/mushrooms/dmt. If one person in a hundred thousand freaks out, that freak out makes the media even though it like 1 in 10 drunk people causing shit. If I drop acid and get in a high speed chase because i say aliens or the devil are chasing me that shit makes the front page of the paper. Fuck even you people will repost it here and laugh.
Until people stand up to the biased media this will never cease. I can do any stupid shit i want drunk and unless i kill someone it doesn't make the paper. Even when it does I would not be representing all drunk people. The crazy LSD story is all LSD users to the majority. We are always going to be in this position, always the minority. Even people who used to do it in college and quit want it to to stay illegal so their kids never try it. We don't have a medical movement of 60 year old white people, we are fucked.
People are not sick of the nanny state in a way I hoped. It's only when it effects them personally. I am opposed to the drug war, not just for the drugs I like. Even on this very page people were cheering when bath salts got banned, or nbomes. That shows me all hope is lost, we will never get anywhere with that mentality. If you are not opposed to the whole drug war you are useless. It should be a personal freedom thing, every time a new drug is banned you lose a freedom. Doesn't even matter if it's a drug you do or not, no one asked you. Support it? Don't support it? Doesn't matter the law is going to be forced on you like it or not. You wouldn't think drug users would cheer a drug being banned, but they totally do.
I don't see legalization of psychedelics ever. We are the last group people the media and law enforcement can make up crazy stories about. While the urban legends have all been destroyed here, the population outside of here still believes them. Those type of freak out stories are the most effective propaganda I have ever seen. It worked with PCP, the most demonized drug in history. It also worked with bath salts and then flakka too. I can't even have a rational discussion about psychedelics people who never tried them because they believe every horror story about them ever told. I don't see that changing.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: my3rdeye]
    #23993233 - 01/08/17 06:16 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

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If one person in a hundred thousand freaks out, that freak out makes the media even though it like 1 in 10 drunk people causing shit.




Yeah but do you really think it's always going to be that way? Never is a strong word.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #24024592 - 01/20/17 12:48 AM (7 years, 10 days ago)

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If one person in a hundred thousand freaks out, that freak out makes the media even though it like 1 in 10 drunk people causing shit.




Yeah but do you really think it's always going to be that way? Never is a strong word.




I strongly agree with your statement. NEVER is a strong word.

Many people have said weed would never be recreational legal in the United States. Many people said a black man would never be president. The list goes on... and on.....................


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