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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Brewtus] 1
#23990934 - 01/07/17 09:02 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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That's what I mean when I say there would have to be classes or teachers. It's not like turning someone loose with a joint, as I'm sure you understand..
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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Amanita86] 1
#23990939 - 01/07/17 09:03 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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Amanita86 said: It's a sign of the times, our culture. People as a whole have lost touch with nature. A few generations back people lived in nature, now we take vacations to go trek around for a week. Just talking to my grandma about how she was raised is like stepping into a different world. All that is getting forgotten.
Society seems cool, but when the power goes out, all this technology just becomes shit taking up space. A catastrophic event that put us back to square one would leave a lot of people lost on what exactly to do.
Same goes with these things like mushrooms and spirit. People forgot over time.. of course some people still practice on their own (like a lot of us here) but the majority of people, I think would flip their shit when those shrooms really started to kick in for the first time, and wouldn't know exactly what to do.
That whole plants and spirituality 'muscle' has kind of withered away in the grand scheme of thing.. It'll take a lot of work to build that back up as a whole.
I listened to a talk by Graham Hancock a while back that touched on these themes. His whole thing is he believes that there were ancient cities and a large empire that thrived about 12,000 years ago, but got wiped out by natural disaster. I tend to like the idea that this is a possibility, and he makes a good argument.
One of the points he made was that hunter/gatherer cultures were able to survive such a disaster and continue on with human endeavors, while those who were bound to the cities and society (when was the last time you were more than a few miles from a road?) were much worse off and couldn't survive it and got wiped out - and that there is a gap of knowledge or a dark age that happened for a few thousand years afterwards. But the hunter/gatherer cultures were able to survive because they were more in tune with how to survive. They didn't need another person to capture their food, and someone else to make their clothes. The tribes were self sustaining if they survived the initial catastrophes.
It's an interesting theory and kind of ties in to what you're saying. I've strayed off topic a bit though.
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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Amanita86]
#23990942 - 01/07/17 09:04 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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its a little known fact that albert hofmann hoped that in the future there would be centers created for people to take and become educated about psychedelics.
someone look it up if you dont believe me lol.
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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: czech] 1
#23990944 - 01/07/17 09:04 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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I feel they will only become legal when society breaks down to the point it isn't there to deem them illegal.
If you recall, they were once legal in the Netherlands and now they are illegal (except for a loophole for truffles).
Same with Japan, they were once legal and now they aren't.
There might be a possibility for them to be used in medical settings, but I doubt they'd ever become legalized for personal use.
Not that it wouldn't be awesome if they were decriminalized.
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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: PatrickKn]
#23990958 - 01/07/17 09:09 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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No, that's pretty much it. You ever go hunting/fishing with a green horn city kid? They get all kinds of clumsy and shit. It's all new.
I worked with a 20 year old that didn't know how to cook a hot dog because he always eats microwave food. I'm not bullshitting you.. in some ways, convienience can result in ignorance.
The cool thing is, mushrooms etc. are getting talked about more and more so as little as it is the 'snowball' is showing movement.
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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Connoisseur]
#23990968 - 01/07/17 09:11 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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Connoisseur said: its a little known fact that albert hofmann hoped that in the future there would be centers created for people to take and become educated about psychedelics.
someone look it up if you dont believe me lol.
If that were to become a reality, it would be some next level progress in my book. That's the kind of hospital thjs world really needs right now.
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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Amanita86]
#23990987 - 01/07/17 09:17 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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i once heard a woman state that having psychedelic medicines be illegal makes her as a doctor feel like a fireman without a hose because its that stupid that we know these chemicals help people yet we are banned from using them.
i applauded her commentary whole heartedly.
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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Connoisseur]
#23991035 - 01/07/17 09:36 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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No doubt. That's why I always get when they put these things in categories where they can't even be researched. It's clearly an attempt to 'just make them all go away'.. You have doctors saying we need to study this shit and some 'suit' just says no. It starts to seem a little fishy after awhile.
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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Amanita86]
#23991117 - 01/07/17 10:04 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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"after a while" was the first time i ever smoked weed at the end of 8th grade for me lol
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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: BlackWidow]
#23991151 - 01/07/17 10:12 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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uhm....wut?!?!
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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Connoisseur]
#23991354 - 01/07/17 11:53 PM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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Id say 25-100 years for psychotherapy and shit. Longer for personal use maybe like 60-150 years.
Psyches have a very bad repuatation.
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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23991383 - 01/08/17 12:09 AM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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whats a psychedelic mushroom
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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: venetianblinds]
#23991439 - 01/08/17 12:48 AM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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venetianblinds said: whats a psychedelic mushroom
My friend ate one and became a glass of orangejuice
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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: topdog82]
#23991445 - 01/08/17 12:51 AM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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why am i feeling deja vu right now
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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: venetianblinds]
#23991831 - 01/08/17 08:49 AM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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I'd say more then ten less then 20. Ideally, tomorrow
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Its hard to schedule psychedelic drugs because it can cause a vast difference in effects on people. Also not to sound ignorant or anything but I think most people in society would not be able to handle a psychedelic experience and not know enoug habout dosage or even their effects for that matter and could potentially hurt someone by driving or freaking out or something like that. I dont condone psychedelics being illegal but to have them readily available to people who can buy however much they want then take an amount thinking its ok because its legal so must be like drinking or whatever logic they put towards it is unsafe and irresponsible.
Sorry I am rambling but I feel they have a far more dangerous outcome especially if a lot of people were on them at a bar and drinking as well, its already bad enough with alcohol imagine people who cant decipher what reality is and not but also wasted and angry looking to fight.
I have seen shit liek that happen to people in bars having worked in them for years not to mention at parties and gatherings and so on.. It can get serious very quick and sometimes on psychedelics everythign can be serious.
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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: SonicTitan]
#23991908 - 01/08/17 09:28 AM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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Its more of a freedom thing. Consequences aren't the point.
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Not in any of our lifetimes ill tell you that
It may be available for cancer paitents and stuff in the next 20 years
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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#23991942 - 01/08/17 09:45 AM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: Not in any of our lifetimes ill tell you that
It may be available for cancer paitents and stuff in the next 20 years
This. It depends on what OP means by "legal." Even if developed into a medication, psilocybin would be schedule 2. This will take some time though.
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