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How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal?
    #23990621 - 01/07/17 07:35 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

I read this article recently:

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/how-long-until-we-can-medically-grow-magic-mushrooms-an-investigation

I am wondering.. How far off are we from legal psilocybin? It treats a variety of conditions, with far fewer side effects than other drugs.


I'd say within 5-10 years.


Prohibition causes more harm than good. Do you agree?


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Brewtus]
    #23990673 - 01/07/17 07:50 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

Maybe with the helps of MAPS, unfortunately society doesn't like the way  psychedelic s make you realize just about everything you were raised up and told is a lie.


Psychedelics are not illegal because a loving government is concerned that you may jump out the first story window, Psychedelics are illegal because they dissolve phonic structures and culturally laid down novels of behavior and information processing, they open you up to the possibility that everything you know is wrong.
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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #23990684 - 01/07/17 07:52 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

without giving it too much thought i'd say 5-10years in some places.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #23990707 - 01/07/17 07:56 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

Psychedelics act on the raphae nuclei.. Making users more open to new/novel ideas.. This can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on who you talk to.

The classic psychedelic burnout is amazed at everything.. "Whoa dude!"

I think you can overdo it. But nonetheless, it has so much potential to heal, I can't believe it is schedule 1 (LSD and MDMA too).  :facepalm3:


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Brewtus] * 1
    #23990795 - 01/07/17 08:20 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

lol I think users in this thread are way too optimistic. psyches have an inherently poor reputation

I would say more like 50-100 years. Society sees these as far too negative. I see MDMA being first to wide medical use. then shrooms, then L. Then after all have hit the mainstream medical community, it will be legal


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: topdog82]
    #23990807 - 01/07/17 08:24 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

I agree I may be a bit too optimistic..

But 3 years ago I would have said 50+ years for marijuana as well.

And at this point in time I can walk 20 yards to a local pot shop and buy a grip of high quality pot legally. The world is changing rapidly.

FFS look at who is up to bat for POTUS.........


Edited by Brewtus (01/07/17 08:26 PM)


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Brewtus]
    #23990809 - 01/07/17 08:25 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

if mushrooms became legal in the US it would be only as the result of a massive national awakening.

with how many people uneducated about psilocybin we have currently in the states mushrooms have no chance of being legal.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23990822 - 01/07/17 08:29 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

It was unbelievable when marijuana became legal for medical use in the 90s.


I think this would be the route mushrooms would take as well..


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23990824 - 01/07/17 08:30 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

Quote:

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if mushrooms became legal in the US it would be only as the result of a massive national awakening.

with how many people uneducated about psilocybin we have currently in the states mushrooms have no chance of being legal.



this. I have ran my head through the hypothetical that if overtime meditation were to be taught in schools, in a generation or two, I think the entire structure of soceity would change. And then after 1-2 generations decriminalization of psyches would be reached


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: topdog82] * 1
    #23990828 - 01/07/17 08:31 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

Yeah, we aren't even responsible enough to have kratom.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Amanita86]
    #23990830 - 01/07/17 08:32 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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Yeah, we aren't even responsible enough to have kratom.



Why do you say that? Because of it's addictive potential?


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23990848 - 01/07/17 08:37 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

I was saying it sarcastically.. since they're trying to ban it and it's about as dangerous as a box turtle.

There's no way mushrooms will get the green light.  It not only does have a potential of someone who isn't well versed doing something stupid, but also offers up revelations that arent always aligned with the "powers that be'" motives.

You know what I'm saying?  There would have to be 'classes' and teachers like tribes do on a smaller scale with their shamans/medicine men..

Maybe years and years down the line, but not anytime soon..


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Brewtus]
    #23990854 - 01/07/17 08:39 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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Brewtus said:
It was unbelievable when marijuana became legal for medical use in the 90s.


I think this would be the route mushrooms would take as well..




yes and no, many many many more people have used marijuana through out the entire scope of human history than have used mushrooms.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Amanita86]
    #23990860 - 01/07/17 08:41 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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I was saying it sarcastically.. since they're trying to ban it and it's about as dangerous as a box turtle.

There's no way mushrooms will get the green light.  It not only does have a potential of someone who isn't well versed doing something stupid, but also offers up revelations that arent always aligned with the "powers that be'" motives.

You know what I'm saying?  There would have to be 'classes' and teachers like tribes do on a smaller scale with their shamans/medicine men..



Word, the sarcasm went over my head.

The best chance for mushrooms is a decriminalization across the board of all drugs, or a clear alternative to prison. Drug therapy is a better alternative than jail time by miles, even if it's ridiculous to send someone to state mandated drug therapy for something like mushrooms in the first place.

Mushrooms - and all psychedelics really - are obscure enough that people confuse them with hard drugs.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23990866 - 01/07/17 08:43 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

There is a lot of research going on right now that supports the medicinal use of psilocybin for anxiety, depression, cluster headaches, etc.

I think this is the cornerstone of legalization. Yes, the fact that it can be grown at home means that there is limited potential for pharmaceutical companies to make money on it. But same with marijuana.. And it's now legal in many states.

The stigma pscyhedelics have is indeed larger than marijuana. But I remember going to D.A.R.E. classes in the 80s, and hearing that cannabis was one of the WORST drugs you could get your hands on (it leads to indefinite heroin addiction).


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23990877 - 01/07/17 08:49 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

It's a sign of the times, our culture.  People as a whole have lost touch with nature.  A few generations back people lived in nature, now we take vacations to go trek around for a week.  Just talking to my grandma about how she was raised is like stepping into a different world.  All that is getting forgotten.

Society seems cool, but when the power goes out, all this technology just becomes shit taking up space.  A catastrophic event that put us back to square one would leave a lot of people lost on what exactly to do.

Same goes with these things like mushrooms and spirit.  People forgot over time.. of course some people still practice on their own (like a lot of us here) but the majority of people, I think would flip their shit when those shrooms really started to kick in for the first time, and wouldn't know exactly what to do.

That whole plants and spirituality 'muscle' has kind of withered away in the grand scheme of thing..  It'll take a lot of work to build that back up as a whole.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Brewtus]
    #23990890 - 01/07/17 08:52 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

ive known many members of MAPS including the founder (rick) for several years personally. im very aware of the greater expanse of scientific info backing the legalization of chemicals such as psilocybin and MDMA but the thing is at this point in time the majority of society is not privy to this kind of information or if they are they lack the understanding of its factual validity.

for the greater expanse of society to accept the truth about things like mushrooms they will need to be exposed to these truths directly either through ingesting psil themselves of having enough people around them who do that they will accept the truth about it.


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Brewtus]
    #23990892 - 01/07/17 08:52 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Amanita86]
    #23990895 - 01/07/17 08:54 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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Same goes with these things like mushrooms and spirit.  People forgot over time.. of course some people still practice on their own (like a lot of us here) but the majority of people, I think would flip their shit when those shrooms really started to kick in, and wouldn't know exactly what to do.





Yes, shrooms are so powerful that home use could lead to (and has lead to) increased stigma that they are bad news.

But if they are taken medicinally, in a clinical setting, I don't think it would be as much of a problem when they 'kick in.'


Edited by Brewtus (01/07/17 08:55 PM)


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Re: How long until psychedelic mushrooms are legal? [Re: Brewtus]
    #23990902 - 01/07/17 08:54 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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