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Is my Pereskiopsis salvagable?
    #23988698 - 01/07/17 07:35 AM (7 years, 23 days ago)

I have had to put the cactus growing hobby for a while but still tried to keep onto my pereskiopsis. I started off with 5 cuttings, managed to get up to 10 before I had to move and whatnot. At one point they thrived, but now I'm trying to figure out what's wrong.

Now I'm down to two cuttings in very poor health and I'm trying to salvage them. They were left in an area without much air exchange and I believe not warm enough, so now I've moved them closer to a heat source and I've put a transparent plastic dome over them to increase humidity. I take it off every once in a while when I open the window for air exchange. They're under one CFL daylight lightbulb.

The leaved one seems to be showing some green at the tip which is a good sign, so I think I'll let it do it's thing, but the second one is looking bad. I think part of it has been eaten up by gnat fly larvae, but I've cut off the bad part and let it heal. There are still roots, so I'm hoping it'll recover.

However, I was wondering if it might be a good idea to cut off the thin useless part, maybe try to make it root (I have some rooting hormone) on its own and let the thicker trunk start a new shoot?



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Re: Is my Pereskiopsis salvagable? [Re: synista]
    #23988826 - 01/07/17 09:02 AM (7 years, 23 days ago)

could be some rot going on not sure, i would say putting them in humidity would not be all that beneficial either way.

probably too cold makes them go dormant and don't grow much.

are you sure there is nothing grafted on the top of these?

a cutting should work probably...let it callous over for a day will promote root buds forming that grow when moisture is introduced


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Re: Is my Pereskiopsis salvagable? [Re: DualWieldRake]
    #23989496 - 01/07/17 12:53 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

No, nothing grafted. I think I'm seeing green dots on the tip of the leafless one as well, so I'll wait and see. I dug them up and the roots seemed "ok". They had one big root each with one or two smaller ones.


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Re: Is my Pereskiopsis salvagable? [Re: synista]
    #23990211 - 01/07/17 05:19 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

Yeah I'd think almost any Pereskiopsis is salvagable especially if they already have roots. Maybe get a little aeration in the soil and wait for suitable temps, then you will see leaves again.


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Re: Is my Pereskiopsis salvagable? [Re: trichlover]
    #23990253 - 01/07/17 05:31 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

Oh I forgot to mention, I watered it with a Hydrogen peroxide mixture ti get rid of the fungus gnats so that may have hurt it a bit?


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Re: Is my Pereskiopsis salvagable? [Re: synista]
    #23990759 - 01/07/17 08:08 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

If your worried, pull it out and re plant but yea, any pere is salvageable.

Ive thrown dead bits in the compost just to come back and find a new plant.

Im picking up some plants today and the guy has offered me some pere for free.
I normally wouldn't take it but I've got seedlings waiting to graft.
Shits like a weed.


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Re: Is my Pereskiopsis salvagable? [Re: Cactiphile]
    #23991258 - 01/07/17 11:00 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

He'll I'll have a few spare Bits to root here very soon.


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Re: Is my Pereskiopsis salvagable? [Re: spaceman101]
    #23991594 - 01/08/17 03:57 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

I'd say heat and light, you'd probably have something new to cut off and root in no time.


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Re: Is my Pereskiopsis salvagable? [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23992511 - 01/08/17 01:55 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

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I'd say heat and light, you'd probably have something new to cut off and root in no time.



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Re: Is my Pereskiopsis salvagable? [Re: synista]
    #24182564 - 03/22/17 08:46 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Question: would you say it is better to grow them under dry (~35% RH) but intense (HID but 150w but not at great distance) light, or weaker light (30W LED) but higher humidity (say 60% but could get higher once that's figured out)
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Re: Is my Pereskiopsis salvagable? [Re: Solipsis]
    #24183931 - 03/22/17 04:53 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Whatever Man.

I've got some growing in the green house and some in full sun.
The ones in full sun need more frequent watering but I see no decline in growth either way.

A less intense light may lead to slower growth but I have most of my shit outside so I can't be to specific about growing under lights.


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Re: Is my Pereskiopsis salvagable? [Re: Solipsis]
    #24185067 - 03/23/17 03:12 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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Question: would you say it is better to grow them under dry (~35% RH) but intense (HID but 150w but not at great distance) light, or weaker light (30W LED) but higher humidity (say 60% but could get higher once that's figured out)
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Less light, higher humidity. You want leaf area that will translate into more vigorous growth of the scion and Pereskiopsis grown in full sun will develop fewer and smaller, thicker leaves (plus nasty spines).
Some wind will promote thickness, too.


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Re: Is my Pereskiopsis salvagable? [Re: LSoares]
    #24185176 - 03/23/17 05:17 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

All mine that grow under artificial light grow thin with small leaves, the ones outside with direct morning sun in the greenhouse grow thick with huge leaves.


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Re: Is my Pereskiopsis salvagable? [Re: NDStepp84]
    #24185313 - 03/23/17 07:27 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

If one grows initially for longer stalks and higher numbers of cuttings, can you eventually switch to higher humidity and less light so that the growth is more sturdy? Or will slender leaver never develop into broader bigger ones?

Already taking your advice I am putting them under LED with humidity now, I do see differences in growth.


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Re: Is my Pereskiopsis salvagable? [Re: Solipsis]
    #24185379 - 03/23/17 08:08 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I end up with plants and leaves like this under sun


IME Inside tried everything from fluros to HID, they even grow skinny AF for me under any artificial light, the only thing that came close to producing plants like I got outside was a 1000w HPS, but still outdoor was better. I'm holding off on grafts until I get everything outside for good to produce some decent stock.


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Re: Is my Pereskiopsis salvagable? [Re: NDStepp84]
    #24185704 - 03/23/17 10:18 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I would not call morning sun "full sun", but we may just have different experiences.

As to growing skinny vs. growing thick, that's where the wind comes in.


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Re: Is my Pereskiopsis salvagable? [Re: LSoares]
    #24186625 - 03/23/17 04:21 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Wind only makes so much difference.

No plant will grow under artificial light as well as it will in the sun.


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Re: Is my Pereskiopsis salvagable? [Re: Cactiphile]
    #24186915 - 03/23/17 06:16 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I have an incredibly hard time keeping my peres healthy, they will grow well, and then get destroyed by bugs, most likely the gnat larva.  I think this time things may go better, they are making a comeback, and I am somewhat on them.


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Re: Is my Pereskiopsis salvagable? [Re: mandrin13]
    #24187986 - 03/24/17 07:10 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I'm sure other environmental factors come into play, And maybe I just suck at growing stock indoors, I've tried blowing them with a fan which helped but still not that great. I've also noticed my spatula does way better indoor than my P. deguietii (which I prefer to use when grafting lophs because it dosen't seem to get woody as fast as spatula) I say morning sun but the fog lifts in the valley at around 9 and the sun is blocked by a mountain at 4. They just seem to love early sun IME, I can chop a 7' tall plant with thumb size stock, put it under HID and the new growth has small leaves and skinny as a pencil.


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Re: Is my Pereskiopsis salvagable? [Re: NDStepp84]
    #24211329 - 04/01/17 04:35 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

I have pretty dry air in my house, my grow unit is very well ventilated so it has the same problem... I fixed up a humidifier though and put it on one of the two levels / climates: the one that's supposed to be humid.

RH is already high enough for the peres (theoretically) and especially practically salvia not to be super sad and messed up anymore, if I arrange the timer better so that it doesn't ventilate all the time I'm sure it will go higher...
I gotta be careful cause the upper level with the HID should really have constant ventilation, plus an extra dedicated fan pointed at the lamp. So it's gonna have to go on separate circuitry.

Anyway why I'm posting: one peres that is small but I took a cutting of (I'm multiplying quickly so that I will have a lot of good rooted ones later) was stalling under the HID so I put it on the other level with LED...

It seems to be flowering now lol (maybe it's confused by the relative red light in the HID compared to the LED.)

edit: sorry no I think it's probably just gonna be a branch. It's so red though?? I've seen them branch before often enough and I never saw a red bud.


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Re: Is my Pereskiopsis salvagable? [Re: Solipsis]
    #24211691 - 04/01/17 07:18 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Don't go all out man.

They are a fuvkin weed.
Almost impossible to kill.

Why put in all the extra effort?
I have pieces growing from the compost cause even the dead pieces seem to grow back.

Really not something you need to baby under lights.


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Re: Is my Pereskiopsis salvagable? [Re: Cactiphile]
    #24212782 - 04/02/17 09:02 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah I had that with Salvia as well eventually, for years until the air got way too dry: I couldn't stop propagating new cuttings.. :smile:

So I hear you, but right now I have so many lophs sowed that I couldn't have too many in a few weeks time..., or whatever the limit is for grafting seedlings (a couple months supposedly)

I'm also trying to figure out which of my plants can handle the HID and which can't - cause the humid LED level will get overcrowded way before the more arid HID level. So it does matter to put in the effort to sort them.


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Re: Is my Pereskiopsis salvagable? [Re: Solipsis]
    #24213144 - 04/02/17 12:34 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

I've had everything under 400 watt HPS all winter from peres, grafted lophs, trichs ( not enough light for larger trichs, had to water as less as possible to help prevent stretching)
Grafted lophs did great under the HPS, flowers all winter and healthy


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Re: Is my Pereskiopsis salvagable? [Re: NDStepp84]
    #24213399 - 04/02/17 02:31 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Very nice :smile: what is your humidity like?


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Re: Is my Pereskiopsis salvagable? [Re: Solipsis]
    #24213889 - 04/02/17 06:53 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Varied quite a bit this winter in the grow room like 15-40 percent, probably around 20-25 on average.


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