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Obama Builds a Wall
    #23988337 - 01/07/17 01:16 AM (7 years, 23 days ago)

http://m.tmz.com/#article/2017/01/06/president-obama-dc-house-brick-wall/

You know, I hate this hypocritical bullshit from liberals. I'm 100% anti-Trump but it also pisses me off when rich liberals take for granted certain securities they don't feel should be extended to poor people. He supported tighter gun legislation but I never heard him say he wanted to disarm the secret service that protects his family. It's like white people who act like they care so much about black people but wouldn't walk alone through a black neighborhood for any reason what-so-ever. Fuck no. They got the windows rolled up. The doors locked. Yeah, you can tell they just love black people.


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #23988376 - 01/07/17 01:45 AM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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proth said:
http://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/Secret-Service-Plans-to-Raise-White-House-Fence-by-5-Feet-377329721.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3665223/This-amazing-ocean-view-brought-Mark-Zuckerberg-Facebook-founder-s-six-foot-wall-100m-Hawaii-retreat-obscures-spectacular-panorama-locals.html

http://time.com/money/4346766/mark-zuckerberg-houses/

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/18/politics/pope-francis-trump-christian-wall/


Armed security protecting their kids/family using Concealed Carry.
Walls and fences around their properties.
An exclusion of illegal immigrants, refugees, and speculative rif-raf from their neighborhood via socio-economic exclusion enforced by security.

Yet, they want you to live w/o the means to defend yourself, kids, family.
They want you to live w/o borders/protections.
They want you to live with illegal immigrants in your community... Refugees and speculative rif-raf. They want the socio-economic standards of your neighborhoods to decline.
The quality of the schools your kids go to on the decline...

List goes on and on ..
The hypocrisy is now visible for all to see.
People don't practice the absurd things they preach.
So, stop falling for it.

Citizens were dumbasses to begin with for falling for this.
But this backs the overarching point.. People say one thing and do another :

People talk about how the rich keep getting rich and how its wrong...
People yack about how its fucked up how the upper tiers live vs. them.

Yet, when destructive policies are handed down from them, they eat it up and defend  them.

Cool that people are becoming aware. It's too late though. The damage is done.
It took years to do the damage. People endorsed it and defended it.

Better keep your eyes and ears open in the future. The consequences of such ignorance, in a day and age when you have such easy access to be informed/intelligent, only increase.




Great post


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #23988387 - 01/07/17 01:53 AM (7 years, 23 days ago)

It's actually a law that the secret services protects former presidents until death. I have a Ph.D neighbor that has a bigger gate and Wall then that. The straws you grasp at are very brittle


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #23988392 - 01/07/17 01:58 AM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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Seriously_trippin said:
It's actually a law that the secret services protects former presidents until death. I have a Ph.D neighbor that has a bigger gate and Wall then that. The straws you grasp at are very brittle




Am I supposed to feel like his life is more important than mine? Because fuck that.


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #23988424 - 01/07/17 02:22 AM (7 years, 23 days ago)

Theres a big difference between a wall around a house and a wall around a whole continent, i mean i can step foot on the moon and somebody will "own it". I could be out in the middle of no where like the ocean or sumthing and wutever small patch my boat is floating on will belong to sumone, like wtf..


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #23988439 - 01/07/17 02:37 AM (7 years, 23 days ago)

. It started around 9/11 because of the terrorist attacks. Honestly though the wealthy often have way more elaborate security systems then a wall so the man can go outside without being watched. Many people have big gated communities/properties,bodyguards. With every president we have there is someone who hates that person and the ex president needs guarding more then you not because they're more valuable as your life but because they are actually on the publics radar and can become a target . Its a lot less nessicary to protect you. Don't believe me ?google your net worth vs Obama.
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zZZz said:
Theres a big difference between a wall around a house and a wall around a whole continent, i mean i can step foot on the moon and somebody will "own it". I could be out in the middle of no where like the ocean or sumthing and wutever small patch my boat is floating on will belong to sumone, like wtf..



Exactly


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #23988449 - 01/07/17 02:53 AM (7 years, 23 days ago)

people are getting mad because obama is adding on to his house...? :facepalm:


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: 404]
    #23988460 - 01/07/17 03:03 AM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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404 said:
people are getting mad because obama is adding on to his house...? :facepalm:




No. I'm mad that the same motherfuckers who are telling me I need to be building bridges are LITERALLY building actual fucking walls around their own homes. Why the fuck should I accept the idea that I should be made more vulnerable than anyone else?


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #23988464 - 01/07/17 03:05 AM (7 years, 23 days ago)

why do you give a shit?


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: TheFakeSunRa] * 1
    #23988467 - 01/07/17 03:06 AM (7 years, 23 days ago)

What are you even talking about? If you had any money you could build 50 walls around your house. No one is going to give a fuck.

So go get a job, make that money and build all the walls you want. I don't think Obama is to blame here..


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: 404]
    #23988470 - 01/07/17 03:09 AM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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404 said:
why do you give a shit?




Because there's a lot of violent crime in my neighborhood.


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #23988476 - 01/07/17 03:13 AM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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TheFakeSunRa said:
Am I supposed to feel like his life is more important than mine? Because fuck that.



It's not that he's life is more important than yours... it's that their lives are worth a lot more than yours and there are a lot more people that want him dead.


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #23988480 - 01/07/17 03:18 AM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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sh4d0ws said:
What are you even talking about? If you had any money you could build 50 walls around your house. No one is going to give a fuck.

So go get a job, make that money and build all the walls you want. I don't think Obama is to blame here..




I've worked my whole life. I'm still poor. Some misfortune but mostly just me fucking up a lot. But just because I'm poor that doesn't mean I'm going to accept an ideology that values my life less.


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: Call-Me-Bob]
    #23988491 - 01/07/17 03:33 AM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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TheFakeSunRa said:
Am I supposed to feel like his life is more important than mine? Because fuck that.



It's not that he's life is more important than yours... it's that their lives are worth a lot more than yours and there are a lot more people that want him dead.




There's been way more violence in my apartment building than the White House. I had a close friend murdered when I was in junior high. Another was shot in the back. My place has been broken into three fucking times. One friend was jumped randomly by gang members literally cracking his skull. Another got beaten so badly when he was mugged that he has seizures. Someone walked into a shop down the street from where I grew up and shot the shopkeeper, a friendly dude I knew, killed him instantly. A former girlfriend was raped by a stranger in a parking lot. And a guy I know was anally raped by another man when he got too drunk and tried to walk home late at night. And I can still think of more shit.


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: TheFakeSunRa] * 2
    #23988519 - 01/07/17 04:05 AM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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TheFakeSunRa said:
I had a close friend murdered when I was in junior high. Another was shot in the back. My place has been broken into three fucking times. One friend was jumped randomly by gang members literally cracking his skull. Another got beaten so badly when he was mugged that he has seizures. Someone walked into a shop down the street from where I grew up and shot the shopkeeper, a friendly dude I knew, killed him instantly. A former girlfriend was raped by a stranger in a parking lot. And a guy I know was anally raped by another man when he got too drunk and tried to walk home late at night. And I can still think of more shit.




damn dude


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #23988529 - 01/07/17 04:23 AM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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proth said:
Quote:

Seriously_trippin said:
. It started around 9/11 because of the terrorist attacks.




Proto said:
You're continuing to show your low formed world view. Borders and border enforcement has been in existence since the beginning of time. In the stone ages... Among penguins in the wild... This has jack shit to do w/ recent events and more to do with fundamental nature.

:doublefacepalm:If you actually read what I said it's obvious I was talking about why secret service and general protection for former U.S. presidents is necessary. I bet there's a lot of people that'd want to kill Obama.

My statement had nothing to do with border enforcement, it has to do with the asinine notion of comparing a border of a country to Obama's front yard  .

It's super petty and you continue to show you read two or 3 words of someone's opinion and jump to a conclusion without knowing what subject you're talking about. This just proves how you call anyone an idiot that doesn't kiss your asshole about a subject you clearly don't know much about. Also proves you just latch on to ANY shred of info that would make dems/libs or anyone who dislikes trump look bad.

Calling Obama a hypocrite because he has a wall around his house is ridiculous. It's COMPLETELY separate from the illegal immigrant/trump issue.

Then you revert to name calling and you say I have a low formed world view ?:derp: :lol:


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #23988532 - 01/07/17 04:28 AM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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proth said:
Quote:

Seriously_trippin said:
. It started around 9/11 because of the terrorist attacks.




Proth said:
You're continuing to show your low formed world view. Borders and border enforcement has been in existence since the beginning of time. In the stone ages... Among penguins in the wild... This has jack shit to do w/ recent events and more to do with fundamental nature.

:doublefacepalm:If you actually read what I said it's obvious I was talking about why secret service and general protection for former U.S. presidents is necessary. I bet there's a lot of people that'd want to kill Obama.

My statement had nothing to do with border enforcement, it has to do with the asinine notion of comparing a border of a country to Obama's front yard  .

It's super petty and you continue to show you read two or 3 words of someone's opinion and jump to a conclusion without knowing what subject you're talking about. This just proves how you call anyone an idiot that doesn't kiss your asshole about a subject you clearly don't know much about. Also proves you just latch on to ANY shred of info that would make dems/libs or anyone who dislikes trump look bad.

Calling Obama a hypocrite because he has a wall around his house is ridiculous. It's COMPLETELY separate from the illegal immigrant/trump issue.

Then you revert to name calling and you say I have a low formed world view ?:derp: :lol:


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: Niffla]
    #23988550 - 01/07/17 04:41 AM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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Niffla said:
Quote:

TheFakeSunRa said:
I had a close friend murdered when I was in junior high. Another was shot in the back. My place has been broken into three fucking times. One friend was jumped randomly by gang members literally cracking his skull. Another got beaten so badly when he was mugged that he has seizures. Someone walked into a shop down the street from where I grew up and shot the shopkeeper, a friendly dude I knew, killed him instantly. A former girlfriend was raped by a stranger in a parking lot. And a guy I know was anally raped by another man when he got too drunk and tried to walk home late at night. And I can still think of more shit.




damn dude




Yeah. I didn't even realize how much shit it's added up to until I started adding up all those shitty memories. Shit, I remember growing up and they started saying on the news that Atlanta had finally gotten worse than Detroit lol. Fuck the good old days.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: TheFakeSunRa] * 1
    #23988672 - 01/07/17 07:10 AM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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TheFakeSunRa said:
http://m.tmz.com/#article/2017/01/06/president-obama-dc-house-brick-wall/

You know, I hate this hypocritical bullshit from liberals. I'm 100% anti-Trump but it also pisses me off when rich liberals take for granted certain securities they don't feel should be extended to poor people. He supported tighter gun legislation but I never heard him say he wanted to disarm the secret service that protects his family. It's like white people who act like they care so much about black people but wouldn't walk alone through a black neighborhood for any reason what-so-ever. Fuck no. They got the windows rolled up. The doors locked. Yeah, you can tell they just love black people.





It's part of his evil trident.  Disarm the populous, agitate the middle east, take in refugees.


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #23988711 - 01/07/17 07:47 AM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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TheFakeSunRa said:
http://m.tmz.com/#article/2017/01/06/president-obama-dc-house-brick-wall/

You know, I hate this hypocritical bullshit from liberals. I'm 100% anti-Trump but it also pisses me off when rich liberals take for granted certain securities they don't feel should be extended to poor people. He supported tighter gun legislation but I never heard him say he wanted to disarm the secret service that protects his family. It's like white people who act like they care so much about black people but wouldn't walk alone through a black neighborhood for any reason what-so-ever. Fuck no. They got the windows rolled up. The doors locked. Yeah, you can tell they just love black people.




Hmmm....

You're special aren't you?


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #23988988 - 01/07/17 09:55 AM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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proth said:
Quote:

Seriously_trippin said:
It's actually a law that the secret services protects former presidents until death. I have a Ph.D neighbor that has a bigger gate and Wall then that. The straws you grasp at are very brittle




It's actually a norm that anyone wants to protect themselves and those that are dear to them until death.

Anyone who values their property and family has protection measures.

Clearly, there is no straw being grasped only a 11 foot charade in which well-to-do people command non-well-to do people to act in manner and settle for conditions they don't themselves settle for.

Also, as far as anecdotes go.. I live in an affluent neighborhood that is guard gated with double valve entrance gates, face/id check-in along with license plate recorders, and round the clock security patrols. The local schools keep quality standards up by zoning exclusively around the expensive neighborhoods in the city. Illegal immigrants, refugees, etc simply can't afford to live here and there was a fight to prevent section 8 housing.... So, as the middle class/poor elsewhere in the U.S have to deal w/ the nightmares of illegal immigration/refugees, the affluent don't..  In such a way, many are ignorant of it.

I don't mention this boastfully.. I mention it to give a clear picture on how the affluent live and enjoy a safe and quality american life.. A life that every american citizen should be afforded without worry of non-citizens fucking up their hard earned lifestyles.

The point was to highlight hypocrisy ... I think you showed a good example of it without even realizing it which shows how backed in such attitudes are among some people. Thankfully, not all truly affluent people think like this.




Great fucking post

This is what's infuriating, being told that we, the peons, should accept and embrace refugees and illegals and all that that entails, by people who will never have to deal with them

Fuck that!


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23989677 - 01/07/17 02:22 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

then you aren't a christian nation

america was built on immigration that's why it's here

i don't like mexians either but walls are ugly and they prevent animal migrations


Edited by Konyap (01/07/17 02:23 PM)


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: 404]
    #23989683 - 01/07/17 02:26 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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people are getting mad because obama is adding on to his house...? :facepalm:




why does he need a barrier to keep people out, why cant he simply move some syrian rebels refugees in with him


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #23989690 - 01/07/17 02:28 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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Konyap said:
then you aren't a christian nation




you're absolutely right, we're a secular nation


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america was built on immigration that's why it's here




you think the indians have learned a valuable lesson about not letting illegals into
their country, they should have burned the ships before anyone could get off them

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i don't like mexians either but walls are ugly and they prevent animal migrations





you're a bigot and a specieist


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23989792 - 01/07/17 03:09 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

the hypocrisy is that everyone wants a wall, but no one wants to admit that they are in a collective and that they are fighting the collective according to their own confused whims at assessing the good for the collective.


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23989798 - 01/07/17 03:10 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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akira_akuma said:
the hypocrisy is that everyone wants a wall, but no one wants to admit that they are in a collective and that they are fighting the collective according to their own confused whims at assessing the good for the collective.





tell us all about this collective please


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23989836 - 01/07/17 03:23 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

ok. let me tell you about the ethereal.

you're human. you're part of a nation whom relies on services and goods to run it's economy. you also consider what is best for your nation...you are thus putting your own perspective, solo, into the collective sphere to be considered by said collective, so that you can have a say in things.

you are part of a collective, even if it's a very tenuous one.


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    #23989844 - 01/07/17 03:25 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

Be more specific...you talking about culture?


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    #23989864 - 01/07/17 03:30 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

i'm talking about American culture and how it divides and fragments in it's coalitions, like all coalitions do- in conjuction with what qman is getting at...which i'm not sure, either, if he means "black culture", "the culture of the poor class". or what.

me, i'm more of a big picture, kind of guy, probably similar to Qman...so, when i say all coalitions fragment and break down...i'm not just talking about America...but America has a great big purview of what constitutes this breakdown, in my going theory that "human coalitions always break down, due to inconsistency within coalition support."

so in my view...poor structures break, rich structures break, black culture in America breaks, American culture in general, breaks. why they break is solely based on the actions and prospects of others within these coalitions.


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    #23989870 - 01/07/17 03:33 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

Are coalitions subcultures?


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    #23989946 - 01/07/17 03:57 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

consider this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion#Group_opinion

according to the mainstream opinion- apparently; which is fucking stupid- a "group opinion" falls squarely on the notion of a jury or legislature, or some other group force.

so think about that. a groups opinion is considered to be purely governmental in mainstream understanding.

what bullshit.

a coalition is any group where the opinions of the group are held as the groups motive for action, politically...no government required. the fact that this needs to be explained as a prelude just goes to show why i would much rather just short-form the arguments to basic trash....because this is stupid shit.

coalitions are subcultures, yes. they are subcultures, because subcultures are created through like-minded opinions and perspectives, which is what a coalition is, a group of like-minded people whom share similar opinions- it's not (or should not) just be used in the narrower definition of a governmental coalition. (the fact that people are not government and government not people is a notion that needs to die already. it's been more than long enough since the constitution was drafted. why it still is a common misapprehension is beyond my understanding.)


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23989985 - 01/07/17 04:09 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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ok. let me tell you about the ethereal.

you're human. you're part of a nation whom relies on services and goods to run it's economy. you also consider what is best for your nation...you are thus putting your own perspective, solo, into the collective sphere to be considered by said collective, so that you can have a say in things.

you are part of a collective, even if it's a very tenuous one.





so what you're saying is that in reality, I am building Obama's wall because I'm a part of the collective.

now tell me, is it being built to keep obama in or to keep people out?


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    #23990338 - 01/07/17 06:00 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

Give an example of a non-traditional coalition, and an opinion they might have.  Please.


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    #23990380 - 01/07/17 06:18 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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Give an example of a non-traditional coalition, and an opinion they might have.  Please.



why is it when in groupthink, an idea is employed immediately and critical thought comes later; and when it's an individual's idea, it gets scrutinized at every possible level before it ever considered- which it never does until it's too late? :facepalm:

i'm telling you- look at the definition of "coalition"
ok. now look up wikipedia- coalition...they've got it right, it is an alliance of individuals, or groups, under a common cause, basically, that's how it breaks down. look at the etymology: ""the growing together of parts," from French coalition (1540s), from Late Latin coalitus "fellowship," originally past participle of Latin coalescere "unite, grow together, become one in growth" (see coalesce). First used in a political sense 1715."

as you can see...first used in the political sense 1715...as in, it was a different meaning that what you find in your dictionary these days- it's mostly a word used to refer to coalitions of non-governmental and military juntas, or alliances between corporate entities...because this is just how the word is used the most, hence people rarely use the word in the former sense, hence it becomes archaic and the definition changes and molds different in it's common usage.

but a coalition is really just the coalescing/"fellowship" of opinions and ideas...Black Lives Matter is a coalition...and a movement -- All Lives Matter is a coalition. does it have it's own movement, ie, organizational banner?

see, that's the difference between the commonsense connotation of the word and the "business/military" connotation of the word...learn to see with the former connotation, because just look around you. :shrug: BLM, LGBTQ, Gun-Rights, Blue Lives Matter, Anti-Establishment Politics, ect ect ect


all of these will break down further until they're changed again, to put it simply- or in otherwords, these coalitions are just people banded by similar causes, and as they associate with them, they expunge themselves from previous ones, and their views change- but i think that these coalitions are mostly based on bullshit and some people seem to be several groups, and they all conflict with the what people say they want. :shrug:

for example, the neo-cons and neo-libs...two coalitions that hold remarkably similar views, it's almost like they're the same entity. all they disagree upon is how to get to the same goals.

they don't care about you.

there's a coalition against that....but that coalition is split too...by partisanship, even though the "establishment" is the one same farce, just by two different names. this is exactly the problem with coalitions.

they are always against the self-effaced, so when one becomes too powerful, they turn into a shit, which is why fighting about left and right-wing political piddling, when both sides are against the same opposing coalition is also stupid and leads, also, to the same effect. it turns the coalition to shit from inside out. yeah, my language got really flowery at the end there. but take it literally as possible. when someone goes against the coalition, they are departed from the coalition- which is why groupthink is so prevalent, and why coalitions are a stupid thing to 'belong to', and fight for. it's best, i think, to just stroll on through and help as best you can along the way, seeing at this point there's no real goal in the fighting, other than it being a distraction.

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ok. let me tell you about the ethereal.

you're human. you're part of a nation whom relies on services and goods to run it's economy. you also consider what is best for your nation...you are thus putting your own perspective, solo, into the collective sphere to be considered by said collective, so that you can have a say in things.

you are part of a collective, even if it's a very tenuous one.





so what you're saying is that in reality, I am building Obama's wall because I'm a part of the collective.

now tell me, is it being built to keep obama in or to keep people out?



nah, that's not what i'm saying. you're part of the coalition of opinion that America will be made better with Trump at the helm, not that you've clarified why, but you are definitely of that opinion, and thus you are in the coalition of "MAGA" essentially; now all the difference is whether you associate with "MAGA" productively, are you critical of viewpoints outside of "MAGA".

now i'm framing things rather simply here...but i'm doing so to make a point: that is that the fact is you think America dodged a bullet with Hillary being shitcanned, and the way you talk, alot of people who want to "MAGA" think of you as someone in their coalition...though, you admittedly do not even like Trump.

most people who say "i don't like Trump" get a typical response.

not you though, Pris.

this is coalitions.


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #23990596 - 01/07/17 07:29 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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Yeah man.. big difference, same end goal..
> Establish a clear visible distinction between one place and another
> Ensure safety of a country's citizens
> Clearly establish a consequential line
> Establish a visible distinguisher for laws/jurisdiction


The reasoned people of the world are getting tired of trying to get others 'see the light'....Times continuing to run out for people who hold on to such silly mindsets





Think about it like this, u got ur house and ur wall, and ur neighbors got a house and a wall too, both are equal, average homes.

Now suppose ur neighbor wants more, so he decides to take his other neighbors lot too which causes friction bewteen both of em. It gets so crazy that they start shooting at each other and ur home gets caught in the middle. Now ur neighbor has to build a yuge wall around the whole neighborhood cuz hes made sum enemies and since ure so close by his enemies are now ur enemies..

So now whenever ur family or friends come over to ur house they have to pass through ur neighbors security and get searched and stuff cuz ur neighbors an asshole..

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    #23990645 - 01/07/17 07:42 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

my last post was way better than the opposing view of proth.


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    #23991421 - 01/08/17 12:35 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

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ok. let me tell you about the ethereal.

you're human. you're part of a nation whom relies on services and goods to run it's economy. you also consider what is best for your nation...you are thus putting your own perspective, solo, into the collective sphere to be considered by said collective, so that you can have a say in things.

you are part of a collective, even if it's a very tenuous one.





so what you're saying is that in reality, I am building Obama's wall because I'm a part of the collective.

now tell me, is it being built to keep obama in or to keep people out?



nah, that's not what i'm saying. you're part of the coalition of opinion that America will be made better with Trump at the helm, not that you've clarified why, but you are definitely of that opinion, and thus you are in the coalition of "MAGA" essentially; now all the difference is whether you associate with "MAGA" productively, are you critical of viewpoints outside of "MAGA".





have I said that trump will make america great again? have I ever expressed
support for trump? sure, I'd rather have trump than hillary but that's hardly
support for trump

maybe you should stick to trying to use obscure words to baffle people


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now i'm framing things rather simply here...but i'm doing so to make a point: that is that the fact is you think America dodged a bullet with Hillary being shitcanned, and the way you talk, alot of people who want to "MAGA" think of you as someone in their coalition...though, you admittedly do not even like Trump.





we didnt dodge a bullet, we dodged a nuclear war, hillary wanted war with russia


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most people who say "i don't like Trump" get a typical response.

not you though, Pris.





that is because I AM a special fucking snowflake

not that you arent a SPECIAL snowflake yourself


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    #23991829 - 01/08/17 08:47 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

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then you aren't a christian nation

america was built on immigration that's why it's here

i don't like mexians either but walls are ugly and they prevent animal migrations



Th large north american animal migrations? I'm pretty sure ere aren't any.

I hate this argument that we were 'built on immegration' the first large waves of non English came in the 1900's. Calling the first colonists immigrants is stupid, as the natives didn't really own anything. Their kids weren't immigrants, because ey were born here.
By the definition progressives use for their political arguments, everyday me is an immigrant.
The English didn't evolve on the UK, the Natives didn't evolve here. Every country was taken, we are only considered illegitimate from the guilt too much access to information has caused. It confuses the average person's mind.

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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23992007 - 01/08/17 10:15 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

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Calling the first colonists immigrants is stupid, as the natives didn't really own anything. Their kids weren't immigrants, because ey were born here.




the natives were also descendants of immigrants


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Th large north american animal migrations? I'm pretty sure ere aren't any.




I'm pretty sure he's referring to the mexicans


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then you aren't a christian nation

america was built on immigration that's why it's here

i don't like mexians either but walls are ugly and they prevent animal migrations



Th large north american animal migrations? I'm pretty sure ere aren't any.
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Just because we've killed many of them it doesn't mean that there aren't any.  Animals were crossing that imaginary line freely since before humans existed, and it is typical of you to just write that off as a non-issue compared to your petty politics and possessive nationalism. 

Animals do still migrate across that border, but many of them are threatened by human encroachment and habitat destruction so maybe someday it will be a non-issue.


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23992161 - 01/08/17 11:20 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

That's not a wall. They're building a fence. The bottom part was built when they built the house. It's a retaining wall to keep the hill from collapsing :facepalm:

I've never heard a liberal say poor people shouldn't out a fence up. God damn conservatives are ridiculous.


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    #23992173 - 01/08/17 11:25 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

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That's not a wall. They're building a fence.






so that dirty bastard is pulling a trump, promised us a wall and only building a fence


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    #23992248 - 01/08/17 12:12 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

There just aren't tat many large migratory animals on the continent. The doesn't mean we kills them


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    #23992253 - 01/08/17 12:15 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

Are you fucking kidding me?


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There just aren't tat many large migratory animals on the continent. The doesn't mean we kills them



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    #23992581 - 01/08/17 02:25 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

Name a few that don't fly south. We don't have those migrations, and that humans killed off all the ice age creatures is difficult for me to believe. Some animals are doing better hanks to us, in fact. Sterlings too overall continent, coyotes, raccoons. You are just creating a problem


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    #23992598 - 01/08/17 02:33 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

Get fucked, seriously.  What an angle to take.


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    #23992647 - 01/08/17 02:53 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

Its arid. We do have many large animals across the continent, let alone down there.
You are defending nonexistent animals

It would be bad if their was some trans border migration, but its really just people.


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    #23992652 - 01/08/17 02:55 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

:elderno: I hope you're jusr being argumentative


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    #23992657 - 01/08/17 02:56 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

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Get fucked, seriously.  What an angle to take.





name the large, land based migratory animals that cross the border a couple times each year, that'll show him


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    #23992668 - 01/08/17 03:01 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

jaguar, wolves, mountain lion, deer, fox, cayote


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    #23992674 - 01/08/17 03:03 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

Migration isn't solely long distance migration. Migration between populations helps keep up genetic diversity within those populations. There are most definitely populations of the same species living on either side of the border, and I'm sure there is migration between some of those populations. You should just stop commenting on ecology related matters.


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    #23992683 - 01/08/17 03:06 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

I don't even know what you mean. The wall wouldn't be an environmental problem any more then the millions of other walls. The border is sand tough. Maybe some coyotes will have to move.
I'm not even someone that thinks the wall is a good idea. Virtual wall with drones is better. Illegals vote for socialist economic principles tough, which makes them bad for the country
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jaguar, wolves, mountain lion, deer, fox, cayote



Crossing offer the border on accident isn't migration. These aren't heard animals.
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Migration isn't solely long distance migration. Migration between populations helps keep up genetic diversity within those populations. There are most definitely populations of the same species living on either side of the border, and I'm sure there is migration between some of those populations. You should just stop commenting on ecology related matters.



We could put small animal shaped holes in the wall.
Maybe in a few hundred thousand years we will have different creatures on both sides of the wall.


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Well cause we killed all the herd animals with fences you douche :crankey:


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    #23992690 - 01/08/17 03:08 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

Americans don't want a wall. That's why 3 million more of them voted for Hillary Clinton. Trump can suck a bag of dicks


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    #23992695 - 01/08/17 03:09 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

We shouldn't have done that, but someone had to.


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    #23992700 - 01/08/17 03:11 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

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I don't even know what you mean. The wall wouldn't be an environmental problem any more then the millions of other walls.




I think this wall would be a little different.


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Crossing offer the border on accident isn't migration.




You don't know what migration is.


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    #23992716 - 01/08/17 03:19 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

What you're showing us a map of the damage already done?  Large border fences hurt wildlife, human encroachment hurts wildlife. trying to argue that cutting an artificial barrier through a population of animals for political reasons doesn't hurt them is ridiculous.


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    #23992726 - 01/08/17 03:23 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

You can't block the flow of water. People will simply cross in the gaps where streams go. The wall is dumb. Trump is dumb. People who voted for trump are dumb scum buckets. We need to stop acting like these people simply have a difference of opinion and start calling them out for what they are: human garbage.

It does feel good to not have to worry about political correctness anymore. I'll give trump and his band of morons credit for that.


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23992741 - 01/08/17 03:29 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

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What you're showing us a map of the damage already done?  Large border fences hurt wildlife, human encroachment hurts wildlife. trying to argue that cutting an artificial barrier through a population of animals for political reasons doesn't hurt them is ridiculous.





so the border fence reaches hundreds of miles into mexico?

that's funny because the border fence we have now is nonexistent in many areas along the mexican/US border







maybe you'd like to go down and punch the mexican president int he nose for the
border fence they have erected to keep the guatamalans out because it prevents
animal migrations. while you're there, tear down their fence


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23992744 - 01/08/17 03:31 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

Maybe I will :crankey:


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: koods]
    #23992751 - 01/08/17 03:32 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

It won't even be near as big as the Vatican wall posted yesterday. Like I said tough, virtual wall,drones. Building a real wall is like building a fort. Noons builds real forts anymore, not since WWI

I meant like, all the animals move. If we go by the logic all movement is migration, all borders are bad. We may just inhibit some animals
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What you're showing us a map of the damage already done?  Large border fences hurt wildlife, human encroachment hurts wildlife. trying to argue that cutting an artificial barrier through a population of animals for political reasons doesn't hurt them is ridiculous.



Define 'hurt'. Will thy go extinct? Will ty not b able to establish populations where they want?
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You can't block the flow of water. People will simply cross in the gaps where streams go. The wall is dumb. Trump is dumb. People who voted for trump are dumb scum buckets. We need to stop acting like these people simply have a difference of opinion and start calling them out for what they are: human garbage.



Wow


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23992752 - 01/08/17 03:32 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

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moonrockmushy said:
What you're showing us a map of the damage already done?  Large border fences hurt wildlife, human encroachment hurts wildlife. trying to argue that cutting an artificial barrier through a population of animals for political reasons doesn't hurt them is ridiculous.





so the border fence reaches hundreds of miles into mexico?

that's funny because the border fence we have now is nonexistent in many areas along the mexican/US border







maybe you'd like to go down and punch the mexican president int he nose for the
border fence they have erected to keep the guatamalans out because it prevents
animal migrations. while you're there, tear down their fence




Were better than Mexico, aren't we? Why are you always advocating the US do things like they do in third world countries.


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: koods]
    #23992754 - 01/08/17 03:33 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

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You can't block the flow of water.






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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23992757 - 01/08/17 03:34 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

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It won't even be near as big as the Vatican wall posted yesterday. Like I said tough, virtual wall,drones. Building a real wall is like building a fort. Noons builds real forts anymore, not since WWI

I meant like, all the animals move. If we go by the logic all movement is migration, all borders are bad. We may just inhibit some animals
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moonrockmushy said:
What you're showing us a map of the damage already done?  Large border fences hurt wildlife, human encroachment hurts wildlife. trying to argue that cutting an artificial barrier through a population of animals for political reasons doesn't hurt them is ridiculous.



Define 'hurt'. Will thy go extinct? Will ty not b able to establish populations where they want?
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You can't block the flow of water. People will simply cross in the gaps where streams go. The wall is dumb. Trump is dumb. People who voted for trump are dumb scum buckets. We need to stop acting like these people simply have a difference of opinion and start calling them out for what they are: human garbage.



Wow




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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23992765 - 01/08/17 03:35 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

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You can't block the flow of water.









That dam flooded thousands of square miles, is that what you want? I bet the farmers are going to love having their land flooded.


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: koods]
    #23992798 - 01/08/17 03:45 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

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You can't block the flow of water.









That dam flooded thousands of square miles, is that what you want? I bet the farmers are going to love having their land flooded.





have you never heard of farm raised fish?

it's big money


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23992865 - 01/08/17 04:00 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

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I meant like, all the animals move. If we go by the logic all movement is migration, all borders are bad. We may just inhibit some animals




No one said all movement is migration, so why would we go by that logic?


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23992875 - 01/08/17 04:02 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

Then how far does an animal have to move to migrate? I was talking about a specific thing


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23992905 - 01/08/17 04:12 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

The official distance is 50km.

Get real. Obviously it depends on the specific species. The point is that animals moving between separate populations and mating increases genetic diversity. Permanently separating those populations will decrease genetic diversity.


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23992912 - 01/08/17 04:14 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

But what about the Mexicans coming in and taking all the jobs Americans won't do?


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: koods]
    #23992925 - 01/08/17 04:18 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

We can let them come and do all the work, then we just deport them instead of paying them.


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: koods]
    #23992989 - 01/08/17 04:40 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

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But what about the Mexicans coming in and taking all the jobs Americans won't do?




which jobs are those exactly?


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23993026 - 01/08/17 04:53 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

The ones Americans won't take. I already said that.


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: koods]
    #23993056 - 01/08/17 05:06 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

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The ones Americans won't take. I already said that.




so being an illegal alien is a job title now


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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23993146 - 01/08/17 05:40 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

Ladies plz, relax, take it slow, let the president take control :whatyougonnado:


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