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Seriously_trippin said: It's actually a law that the secret services protects former presidents until death. I have a Ph.D neighbor that has a bigger gate and Wall then that. The straws you grasp at are very brittle
It's actually a norm that anyone wants to protect themselves and those that are dear to them until death.
Anyone who values their property and family has protection measures.
Clearly, there is no straw being grasped only a 11 foot charade in which well-to-do people command non-well-to do people to act in manner and settle for conditions they don't themselves settle for.
Also, as far as anecdotes go.. I live in an affluent neighborhood that is guard gated with double valve entrance gates, face/id check-in along with license plate recorders, and round the clock security patrols. The local schools keep quality standards up by zoning exclusively around the expensive neighborhoods in the city. Illegal immigrants, refugees, etc simply can't afford to live here and there was a fight to prevent section 8 housing.... So, as the middle class/poor elsewhere in the U.S have to deal w/ the nightmares of illegal immigration/refugees, the affluent don't.. In such a way, many are ignorant of it.
I don't mention this boastfully.. I mention it to give a clear picture on how the affluent live and enjoy a safe and quality american life.. A life that every american citizen should be afforded without worry of non-citizens fucking up their hard earned lifestyles.
The point was to highlight hypocrisy ... I think you showed a good example of it without even realizing it which shows how backed in such attitudes are among some people. Thankfully, not all truly affluent people think like this.
Great fucking post
This is what's infuriating, being told that we, the peons, should accept and embrace refugees and illegals and all that that entails, by people who will never have to deal with them
Fuck that!
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then you aren't a christian nation
america was built on immigration that's why it's here
i don't like mexians either but walls are ugly and they prevent animal migrations
Edited by Konyap (01/07/17 02:23 PM)
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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: 404]
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404 said: people are getting mad because obama is adding on to his house...? 
why does he need a barrier to keep people out, why cant he simply move some syrian rebels refugees in with him
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Konyap said: then you aren't a christian nation
you're absolutely right, we're a secular nation
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america was built on immigration that's why it's here
you think the indians have learned a valuable lesson about not letting illegals into their country, they should have burned the ships before anyone could get off them
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i don't like mexians either but walls are ugly and they prevent animal migrations
you're a bigot and a specieist
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the hypocrisy is that everyone wants a wall, but no one wants to admit that they are in a collective and that they are fighting the collective according to their own confused whims at assessing the good for the collective.
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akira_akuma said: the hypocrisy is that everyone wants a wall, but no one wants to admit that they are in a collective and that they are fighting the collective according to their own confused whims at assessing the good for the collective.
tell us all about this collective please
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ok. let me tell you about the ethereal.
you're human. you're part of a nation whom relies on services and goods to run it's economy. you also consider what is best for your nation...you are thus putting your own perspective, solo, into the collective sphere to be considered by said collective, so that you can have a say in things.
you are part of a collective, even if it's a very tenuous one.
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Be more specific...you talking about culture?
-------------------- "America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat “Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.” -- Thomas Jefferson The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance. The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)
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i'm talking about American culture and how it divides and fragments in it's coalitions, like all coalitions do- in conjuction with what qman is getting at...which i'm not sure, either, if he means "black culture", "the culture of the poor class". or what.
me, i'm more of a big picture, kind of guy, probably similar to Qman...so, when i say all coalitions fragment and break down...i'm not just talking about America...but America has a great big purview of what constitutes this breakdown, in my going theory that "human coalitions always break down, due to inconsistency within coalition support."
so in my view...poor structures break, rich structures break, black culture in America breaks, American culture in general, breaks. why they break is solely based on the actions and prospects of others within these coalitions.
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Are coalitions subcultures?
-------------------- "America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat “Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.” -- Thomas Jefferson The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance. The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)
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consider this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion#Group_opinion
according to the mainstream opinion- apparently; which is fucking stupid- a "group opinion" falls squarely on the notion of a jury or legislature, or some other group force.
so think about that. a groups opinion is considered to be purely governmental in mainstream understanding.
what bullshit.
a coalition is any group where the opinions of the group are held as the groups motive for action, politically...no government required. the fact that this needs to be explained as a prelude just goes to show why i would much rather just short-form the arguments to basic trash....because this is stupid shit.
coalitions are subcultures, yes. they are subcultures, because subcultures are created through like-minded opinions and perspectives, which is what a coalition is, a group of like-minded people whom share similar opinions- it's not (or should not) just be used in the narrower definition of a governmental coalition. (the fact that people are not government and government not people is a notion that needs to die already. it's been more than long enough since the constitution was drafted. why it still is a common misapprehension is beyond my understanding.)
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akira_akuma said: ok. let me tell you about the ethereal.
you're human. you're part of a nation whom relies on services and goods to run it's economy. you also consider what is best for your nation...you are thus putting your own perspective, solo, into the collective sphere to be considered by said collective, so that you can have a say in things.
you are part of a collective, even if it's a very tenuous one.
so what you're saying is that in reality, I am building Obama's wall because I'm a part of the collective.
now tell me, is it being built to keep obama in or to keep people out?
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Give an example of a non-traditional coalition, and an opinion they might have. Please.
-------------------- "America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat “Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.” -- Thomas Jefferson The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance. The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)
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Senor_Doobie said: Give an example of a non-traditional coalition, and an opinion they might have. Please.
why is it when in groupthink, an idea is employed immediately and critical thought comes later; and when it's an individual's idea, it gets scrutinized at every possible level before it ever considered- which it never does until it's too late? 
i'm telling you- look at the definition of "coalition" ok. now look up wikipedia- coalition...they've got it right, it is an alliance of individuals, or groups, under a common cause, basically, that's how it breaks down. look at the etymology: ""the growing together of parts," from French coalition (1540s), from Late Latin coalitus "fellowship," originally past participle of Latin coalescere "unite, grow together, become one in growth" (see coalesce). First used in a political sense 1715."
as you can see...first used in the political sense 1715...as in, it was a different meaning that what you find in your dictionary these days- it's mostly a word used to refer to coalitions of non-governmental and military juntas, or alliances between corporate entities...because this is just how the word is used the most, hence people rarely use the word in the former sense, hence it becomes archaic and the definition changes and molds different in it's common usage.
but a coalition is really just the coalescing/"fellowship" of opinions and ideas...Black Lives Matter is a coalition...and a movement -- All Lives Matter is a coalition. does it have it's own movement, ie, organizational banner?
see, that's the difference between the commonsense connotation of the word and the "business/military" connotation of the word...learn to see with the former connotation, because just look around you. BLM, LGBTQ, Gun-Rights, Blue Lives Matter, Anti-Establishment Politics, ect ect ect
all of these will break down further until they're changed again, to put it simply- or in otherwords, these coalitions are just people banded by similar causes, and as they associate with them, they expunge themselves from previous ones, and their views change- but i think that these coalitions are mostly based on bullshit and some people seem to be several groups, and they all conflict with the what people say they want. 
for example, the neo-cons and neo-libs...two coalitions that hold remarkably similar views, it's almost like they're the same entity. all they disagree upon is how to get to the same goals.
they don't care about you.
there's a coalition against that....but that coalition is split too...by partisanship, even though the "establishment" is the one same farce, just by two different names. this is exactly the problem with coalitions.
they are always against the self-effaced, so when one becomes too powerful, they turn into a shit, which is why fighting about left and right-wing political piddling, when both sides are against the same opposing coalition is also stupid and leads, also, to the same effect. it turns the coalition to shit from inside out. yeah, my language got really flowery at the end there. but take it literally as possible. when someone goes against the coalition, they are departed from the coalition- which is why groupthink is so prevalent, and why coalitions are a stupid thing to 'belong to', and fight for. it's best, i think, to just stroll on through and help as best you can along the way, seeing at this point there's no real goal in the fighting, other than it being a distraction.
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akira_akuma said: ok. let me tell you about the ethereal.
you're human. you're part of a nation whom relies on services and goods to run it's economy. you also consider what is best for your nation...you are thus putting your own perspective, solo, into the collective sphere to be considered by said collective, so that you can have a say in things.
you are part of a collective, even if it's a very tenuous one.
so what you're saying is that in reality, I am building Obama's wall because I'm a part of the collective.
now tell me, is it being built to keep obama in or to keep people out?
nah, that's not what i'm saying. you're part of the coalition of opinion that America will be made better with Trump at the helm, not that you've clarified why, but you are definitely of that opinion, and thus you are in the coalition of "MAGA" essentially; now all the difference is whether you associate with "MAGA" productively, are you critical of viewpoints outside of "MAGA".
now i'm framing things rather simply here...but i'm doing so to make a point: that is that the fact is you think America dodged a bullet with Hillary being shitcanned, and the way you talk, alot of people who want to "MAGA" think of you as someone in their coalition...though, you admittedly do not even like Trump.
most people who say "i don't like Trump" get a typical response.
not you though, Pris.
this is coalitions.
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proth said: Yeah man.. big difference, same end goal.. > Establish a clear visible distinction between one place and another > Ensure safety of a country's citizens > Clearly establish a consequential line > Establish a visible distinguisher for laws/jurisdiction
The reasoned people of the world are getting tired of trying to get others 'see the light'....Times continuing to run out for people who hold on to such silly mindsets
Think about it like this, u got ur house and ur wall, and ur neighbors got a house and a wall too, both are equal, average homes.
Now suppose ur neighbor wants more, so he decides to take his other neighbors lot too which causes friction bewteen both of em. It gets so crazy that they start shooting at each other and ur home gets caught in the middle. Now ur neighbor has to build a yuge wall around the whole neighborhood cuz hes made sum enemies and since ure so close by his enemies are now ur enemies..
So now whenever ur family or friends come over to ur house they have to pass through ur neighbors security and get searched and stuff cuz ur neighbors an asshole..
What say then?..
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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: zZZz]
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my last post was way better than the opposing view of proth.
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akira_akuma said: ok. let me tell you about the ethereal.
you're human. you're part of a nation whom relies on services and goods to run it's economy. you also consider what is best for your nation...you are thus putting your own perspective, solo, into the collective sphere to be considered by said collective, so that you can have a say in things.
you are part of a collective, even if it's a very tenuous one.
so what you're saying is that in reality, I am building Obama's wall because I'm a part of the collective.
now tell me, is it being built to keep obama in or to keep people out?
nah, that's not what i'm saying. you're part of the coalition of opinion that America will be made better with Trump at the helm, not that you've clarified why, but you are definitely of that opinion, and thus you are in the coalition of "MAGA" essentially; now all the difference is whether you associate with "MAGA" productively, are you critical of viewpoints outside of "MAGA".
have I said that trump will make america great again? have I ever expressed support for trump? sure, I'd rather have trump than hillary but that's hardly support for trump
maybe you should stick to trying to use obscure words to baffle people
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now i'm framing things rather simply here...but i'm doing so to make a point: that is that the fact is you think America dodged a bullet with Hillary being shitcanned, and the way you talk, alot of people who want to "MAGA" think of you as someone in their coalition...though, you admittedly do not even like Trump.
we didnt dodge a bullet, we dodged a nuclear war, hillary wanted war with russia
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most people who say "i don't like Trump" get a typical response.
not you though, Pris.
that is because I AM a special fucking snowflake
not that you arent a SPECIAL snowflake yourself
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Re: Obama Builds a Wall [Re: Konyap]
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Konyap said: then you aren't a christian nation
america was built on immigration that's why it's here
i don't like mexians either but walls are ugly and they prevent animal migrations
Th large north american animal migrations? I'm pretty sure ere aren't any.
I hate this argument that we were 'built on immegration' the first large waves of non English came in the 1900's. Calling the first colonists immigrants is stupid, as the natives didn't really own anything. Their kids weren't immigrants, because ey were born here. By the definition progressives use for their political arguments, everyday me is an immigrant. The English didn't evolve on the UK, the Natives didn't evolve here. Every country was taken, we are only considered illegitimate from the guilt too much access to information has caused. It confuses the average person's mind.
Also, Obama has a small yard.
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specialpeopleclub said: Calling the first colonists immigrants is stupid, as the natives didn't really own anything. Their kids weren't immigrants, because ey were born here.
the natives were also descendants of immigrants
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Th large north american animal migrations? I'm pretty sure ere aren't any.
I'm pretty sure he's referring to the mexicans
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Konyap said: then you aren't a christian nation
america was built on immigration that's why it's here
i don't like mexians either but walls are ugly and they prevent animal migrations
Th large north american animal migrations? I'm pretty sure ere aren't any. ....
Just because we've killed many of them it doesn't mean that there aren't any. Animals were crossing that imaginary line freely since before humans existed, and it is typical of you to just write that off as a non-issue compared to your petty politics and possessive nationalism.
Animals do still migrate across that border, but many of them are threatened by human encroachment and habitat destruction so maybe someday it will be a non-issue.
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