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Mycologist217
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Shiitake Spawn
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Can grains (whole oats, milo) be used to make shiitake spawn? I realized today i'm at a complete loss on how to prepare Shiitake spawn...maybe just sterlized dry sawdust pellets? can someone help me out?
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You are correct in your first thought, oats, barley, wheat, or pretty much any grain or seed like milo are what you need to make spawn. Can't really inoculate directly to dry sawdust pellets, it won't take at all. Assuming you're using a liquid culture or agar wedge. Take that to your grain spawn of choice, THEN to pasteurized wood pellets (or sterilized/supplemented sawdust/pellets). But the spawn is the same as pretty much any other species.
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I use rye berries. No soak method. Works great. I currently have 3782 and Night Velvet colonizing this way. The 3782 is very aggressive.
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Jim Morrison said: The 3782 is very aggressive.
Supposedly one of the best strains - I've got it but haven't yet fruited it. Wish I had the time!
Have you fruited it? Is it really sensitive to temp drops and pinning too early invitro, as some other strains are?
Rye is my grain of choice as well. It would be millet, but millet is much harder to get down perfectly...
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yeah i found the ALoha site a few days ago after Gr0wer pointed me to it.
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Jim Morrison said: The 3782 is very aggressive.
Supposedly one of the best strains - I've got it but haven't yet fruited it. Wish I had the time!
Have you fruited it? Is it really sensitive to temp drops and pinning too early invitro, as some other strains are?
Rye is my grain of choice as well. It would be millet, but millet is much harder to get down perfectly...
It's very easy to work with. Usually ready in only about 2 months or a little more. I incubate at room temp, and ambient light. After it gets brown, I just smack it a bit, and wait for the pins. After it pins really well, I strip off the bag, rinse, and throw it in a SGFC. That's it. I sometimes put them in the fridge to slow them down if I don't have room for them, and I think the cold may improve production a bit. Even then, they try to fruit in the bag while in the fridge. The caps are smaller than something like Night Velvet, but the sheer number makes up for it.
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3782 colonizes WBS quickly, and Milo even better from my work. I can't compare it to other strains though. I tried the 24 hour soak, no simmer with WBS and I think it's still too dry. I have e several different varieties on it now, so I'll see in week or so how it does.
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Jim Morrison said: It's very easy to work with. Usually ready in only about 2 months or a little more. I incubate at room temp, and ambient light. After it gets brown, I just smack it a bit, and wait for the pins. After it pins really well, I strip off the bag, rinse, and throw it in a SGFC. That's it. I sometimes put them in the fridge to slow them down if I don't have room for them, and I think the cold may improve production a bit. Even then, they try to fruit in the bag while in the fridge. The caps are smaller than something like Night Velvet, but the sheer number makes up for it.
Great info, thanks!
You said you incubate at room temp - have you ever had an accidental temp drop in the room, maybe just a few degrees, that caused pinning before fully browned? That has been my major problem with other shiitake strains. (actually, more of a problem with my furnace, but... if there was a better strain...)
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Jim Morrison said: It's very easy to work with. Usually ready in only about 2 months or a little more. I incubate at room temp, and ambient light. After it gets brown, I just smack it a bit, and wait for the pins. After it pins really well, I strip off the bag, rinse, and throw it in a SGFC. That's it. I sometimes put them in the fridge to slow them down if I don't have room for them, and I think the cold may improve production a bit. Even then, they try to fruit in the bag while in the fridge. The caps are smaller than something like Night Velvet, but the sheer number makes up for it.
Great info, thanks!
You said you incubate at room temp - have you ever had an accidental temp drop in the room, maybe just a few degrees, that caused pinning before fully browned? That has been my major problem with other shiitake strains. (actually, more of a problem with my furnace, but... if there was a better strain...)
For the most part, at room temp, they don't pin until almost fully brown, and I slap them. I did have some in the fridge, that I was trying to slow down start to pin. I guess they liked it in there. My room temp doesn't really fluctuate more than maybe 4 degrees at the most.
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Yeah if you're trying to slow the progress down for some reason, putting it in the fridge is not the best way to do it for shiitake as it almost always induces fruiting. That's actually the ONLY way I ever used to initiate fruiting, I never bothered slapping the blocks. Cold shock always worked quite reliably alone.
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