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Kratom Psychosis
#23987544 - 01/06/17 07:26 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Im reading online that kratom can cause seizures and psychosis in rare instances.
Is this actually true?
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High enough dose and I dont doubt it
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I developed psychosis after eating too many Big Macs, so the same logic probably applies to kratom.
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It can fuck with your thyroid function as well.
But it's harmless...ask any opiate addict.
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Re: Kratom Psychosis [Re: shadyy]
#23987583 - 01/06/17 07:43 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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im an opi addict and i dont say its harmless but i would say its "safe"
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Re: Kratom Psychosis [Re: shadyy]
#23987654 - 01/06/17 08:13 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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i hate liz said: It can fuck with your thyroid function as well.
Thanks for the only actual information posted so far in this thread, does anybody have any more? Personal experiences?
My experience is I've been using it at relatively high doses for over 2 years now. Never experienced any psychosis and definitely no seizures (I doubt that one is true). My recent liver tests came back relatively normal (a little borderline, but I drink a lot). My thyroid tests did show some abnormalities but that is more likely due to the fact that I recently found out I have Lyme disease. I hate liz - do you have any more info on this, or a link/source? I do get the feeling it can seriously effect testosterone levels in men, as it's almost totally killed my sex drive.
In my opinion, taking even an extremely high dose would probably not be all that dangerous, considering you would most likely vomit the entirety of it up before it had a chance to get fully into your system. Although if you did take too much and manage to keep it down, I imagine you would feel terrible and there's got to be an overdose level where it could be dangerous.
But I'm just speculating here, does anyone else have any useful info? Interested in this topic as well.
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I had a total of 3 seizures in 2016 and although none of them were attributed to krat use the neurologist honestly didn't know a whole lot about krat.
Perhaps my large kratom doses had something to do with it?
Conn can you post a link I really wanna read more about this. Probably should bring it up when I go back to see the neurologist
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I do get the feeling it can seriously effect testosterone levels in men, as it's almost totally killed my sex drive.
^^^ this
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Re: Kratom Psychosis [Re: pslyke]
#23987779 - 01/06/17 09:00 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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pslyke said:
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I do get the feeling it can seriously effect testosterone levels in men, as it's almost totally killed my sex drive.
^^^ this
Yeah man, it fucking sucks having to choose between:
-do I want to go through this day with severe back pain and no energy to even function / get off the couch, and make it to and through work?
or,
-do I want to just take the fucking kratom, get my energy, but have to deal with a fucking destroyed stomach (nausea, indigestion, etc - yeah, it does that too after a while - depending on your source, some are better than others), as well as living for months/years with nearly NO libido.
Kind of a shitty choice, but for some of us the only real option is the latter 
And now I'm hearing about seizures? This really scares me. Does anyone have a source?
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Re: Kratom Psychosis [Re: Forrester] 5
#23987804 - 01/06/17 09:12 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Wow. Some of you guys have it bad. I use kratom pretty much daily for years now, and I don't get seizures, stomach problems, indigestion, or any kind of libido reduction. I hardly get any negative side effects. Lucky me, I guess!
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ive been using kratom on almost a daily basis for 3 years to get off of opiates and for 2 slipped discs in my back. I use anywhere from 5-15 grams a day and haven't had any side effects except minor constipation. I guess it could happen, never have had any real negative side effects
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Burke Dennings said: Wow. Some of you guys have it bad. I use kratom pretty much daily for years now, and I don't get seizures, stomach problems, indigestion, or any kind of libido reduction. I hardly get any negative side effects. Lucky me, I guess!
What is your daily dosage?
I was at 15g/day in one dose, from one source, had to go off it completely as I was having esophageal spasms (your esophagus literally tightens up so bad it feels like you are choking to death, although there is nothing stuck in your throat or blocking your airway, the feeling is similar to choking - scary as fuck). Tried a new source, and now I'm pretty ok at 6g in the morning followed by 3g before work. Much better quality from this source, but I still get the stomach issues although not as bad, and the libido thing, hasn't changed.
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I'm at probably 20-25 grams a day, split between 2 or 3 doses.
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Burke Dennings said: I'm at probably 20-25 grams a day, split between 2 or 3 doses.
Holy shit man, you are indeed "one of the lucky ones"!
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when i do use kratom as alternative to regular opiates i use 5g on average per dose and dose once or twice a day.
all that dose does for me is get me out of wds it doesnt give me any kind of high like it used to, maybe if i tried doing 10g or more i would get a nice buzz but i dont even see the point anymore after doing kratom so many times.
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Connoisseur said: when i do use kratom as alternative to regular opiates i use 5g on average per dose and dose once or twice a day.
all that dose does for me is get me out of wds it doesnt give me any kind of high like it used to, maybe if i tried doing 10g or more i would get a nice buzz but i dont even see the point anymore after doing kratom so many times.
Well, I would say that the fact that you're using regular opiates at all is going to greatly diminish any high you would have gotten from kratom. Not knocking anyone's choice to use real opiates, but there is going to be a cross tolerance, so for any regular opiate user, really the only use for kratom IS to avoid withdrawl, like you said. Pushing the dosage will likely only lead to worse side effects, unless you are one of the "lucky ones"
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i dont get bad side effects at all, never have really.
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Connoisseur said: i dont get bad side effects at all, never have really.
At 5g average dose, I wouldn't really expect you to. Not the severe, stomach related ones anyway. No effects on libido eh?
And does anyone else find kratom makes them a bit "cranky" or more irritable than usual?
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