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Re: An essay I wrote on the subject of planetary overpopulation [Re: jakefake]
    #23985695 - 01/06/17 02:19 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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We have more than three billion people (almost half the world's population) below the poverty line, and the 250 richest people on Earth have more money and control more resources than the 3 billion+ poorest.




True, but this has got absolutely nothing to do with the question of how many people there are. When France faced up to the issue of social inequality 200 years ago,  their solution was was to execute the top 2 percent of the population. I don't recommend their solution, but it's much more effective than  yours, which is to try to limit breeding.




Over time you could get people used to the concept of executing men who inseminate too many women.

Start at six or seven, drop it down every few years.


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Re: An essay I wrote on the subject of planetary overpopulation [Re: Eywa_devotee]
    #23985708 - 01/06/17 02:33 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Man, what you post compared to what's in your signature is very jarring.


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Re: An essay I wrote on the subject of planetary overpopulation [Re: jakefake]
    #23985932 - 01/06/17 08:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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jakefake said:
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We have more than three billion people (almost half the world's population) below the poverty line, and the 250 richest people on Earth have more money and control more resources than the 3 billion+ poorest.




True, but this has got absolutely nothing to do with the question of how many people there are. When France faced up to the issue of social inequality 200 years ago,  their solution was was to execute the top 2 percent of the population. I don't recommend their solution, but it's much more effective than  yours, which is to try to limit breeding.




My point is that we can't take care of the ones who are here, so how smart would it be to add over two billion more? I don't see what the French Revolution has to do with anything at all concerning my point. I have talked about limiting breeding in a very general way; I don't think it is politically feasible now, although it may be in the future. I don't think it's a practical solution in today's world -- nobody would go for it. Most people feel it is just fine to get to ten billion or more. You're right -- it's ineffective. But if we're going to be here for the long-term (a big if), I think eventually a decrease in population will be sought.


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Re: An essay I wrote on the subject of planetary overpopulation [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23986111 - 01/06/17 09:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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why should it accommodate the maximum conceivable number?
how did it turn into a platform for global warming denial.

where is the sanity in your  comment Mr. Psychonott?

or are you just being naughty





No I'm being quite honest we have billions of starving people yet enough food stockpiles to feed billions the issue isn't resources it's distribution and logistics


There is no such thing as a consensus of science and when someone claims there is they are likely being disingenuous.

This is exactly what was yelled from the top of people's lungs for years that there "was a consensus of scientists" that climate change is real


What's becoming clear with hindsight is that there is no such thing as a consensus of science and now many more feel powered to speak doubts upon climate change theories.


So clearly the earth can handle much more population but can the rich hoarders break their disease to spread the loving around enough is the major issue here


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Enlils true purpose is to get us off topic and to cast enough logical doubts so that outsiders viewing this would be more likely to side with his fake opinions rather than our or sometimes controlled opppsotions opinions.


You see if you are too skilled at not falling for their traps and stating logically sound debunks then other accounts who purposefully agree with 90% of the truth join in and get the entire topic off the main points.

It's their 1960s version of damage control and diversion but man it's painfully obvious in 2017

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Re: An essay I wrote on the subject of planetary overpopulation [Re: Psychonott] * 1
    #23986128 - 01/06/17 09:54 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

But to RGV's point: just because the Earth can handle more, does that mean we should be okay with ten or twelve billion people? Do you have any idea what the environmental impact would be? I stated previously that we had too many people at a billion, and I think it's true. Ecologically, we are way out of proportion. But if you think an even greater rape of the environment, and a pitiful standard of living are okay, fine. In my opinion, it's too crowded anyway, and our cities are becoming more and more overstuffed and toxic.

It's a silly premise that just because we can handle more it would be fine to have more. Do you have any ideas about how we can get all this food to 3.5 billion people? Would that really solve the problem, or are there political and socioeconomic factors as well?

I would also say that, one has to remember, in developing nations what is the first thing people do when they acquire increased food resources? Have more children (sometimes ten or twelve per family) and outstrip the resources again. I'm no Malthusian, and I think everyone should be provided for, but it's a real phenomenon. Fixing the problem is a lot more complex that just giving people food.


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Re: An essay I wrote on the subject of planetary overpopulation [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23986197 - 01/06/17 10:26 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

What's silly is pretending the reason we can't handle more is the earth.

Sure we can't have 30 billion hunting and gatherers

But the argument that the planet can't handle the population is a myth

The argument our societal structures and logistical movements couldn't keep up with such pace for decent standards of living is a legitimate argument

However the largest driving force for these disparities is hoarding of Wealth, resources, and decision making from the will of the people and in the hands of a few psychologically ill hoarders


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Enlils true purpose is to get us off topic and to cast enough logical doubts so that outsiders viewing this would be more likely to side with his fake opinions rather than our or sometimes controlled opppsotions opinions.


You see if you are too skilled at not falling for their traps and stating logically sound debunks then other accounts who purposefully agree with 90% of the truth join in and get the entire topic off the main points.

It's their 1960s version of damage control and diversion but man it's painfully obvious in 2017

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Re: An essay I wrote on the subject of planetary overpopulation [Re: Psychonott] * 1
    #23986210 - 01/06/17 10:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

since the logistics is not being handled, we can begin to assume that it is one of the weak links in the chain supporting large populations.

there are many weak links which each of which spells out disaster differently.

I think that rolling back population and improving capacity to recover from loss of links (in the supporting chain) is best.

Nobody should make plans that ignore survival of natural disasters or dependency on single links.

Single point of failure type issues are rampant in this run-away population issue.


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Re: An essay I wrote on the subject of planetary overpopulation [Re: Psychonott] * 1
    #23986212 - 01/06/17 10:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The Earth can handle more at an extremely modest standard of living for everyone. That is true. And we probably could get around to providing for everyone, if it were made a priority. The thing is, no one with much power is spearheading such an effort. So while people say we can support everyone, I ask them: when? Ten years? Thirty? It's all well and good to theorize that the Earth can support everybody, but how likely is it really that this is going to happen?

And I don't think it's just the "hoarders" who are the problem. Not at all, that's bogus. It's you and me. It's everyone. If there were a movement to feed and clothe everyone, it would happen. Nobody cares, at least in America.


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Re: An essay I wrote on the subject of planetary overpopulation [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23986225 - 01/06/17 10:38 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Because the people calling the shots currently are mentally ill with many psychological disorders including severe hoarding


It's not you me and everybody because we have been indoctrinated into a system that constantly seeks to distract us and hide away our true influences and powers


When I first had these realizations I attempted to mobilize my brethren but they were too worried about next week checks to pay last weeks bills as the carrot slipped farther away from their faces.


People are over stressed and under nourished to fully realize the simple changes needed in order to enact the changes you and i are aware need accomplished.


The longer this disconnect continues the harder they will fall that is true because a growing number of People are beginning to realize their full and true potentials

If you haven't noticed the middle class has been drastically falling. Suddenly more and more people are working more for less and less purchasing power.

This reinforces the now suppressed norms that the narratives being spoon fed to them by large media are false and increasingly their reality doesn't match the spoon feeding.

This will lead to great actions and responses


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Enlils true purpose is to get us off topic and to cast enough logical doubts so that outsiders viewing this would be more likely to side with his fake opinions rather than our or sometimes controlled opppsotions opinions.


You see if you are too skilled at not falling for their traps and stating logically sound debunks then other accounts who purposefully agree with 90% of the truth join in and get the entire topic off the main points.

It's their 1960s version of damage control and diversion but man it's painfully obvious in 2017

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Re: An essay I wrote on the subject of planetary overpopulation [Re: viktor]
    #23990680 - 01/07/17 07:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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viktor said:
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jakefake said:
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DividedQuantum said:

We have more than three billion people (almost half the world's population) below the poverty line, and the 250 richest people on Earth have more money and control more resources than the 3 billion+ poorest.




True, but this has got absolutely nothing to do with the question of how many people there are. When France faced up to the issue of social inequality 200 years ago,  their solution was was to execute the top 2 percent of the population. I don't recommend their solution, but it's much more effective than  yours, which is to try to limit breeding.




Over time you could get people used to the concept of executing men who inseminate too many women.

Start at six or seven, drop it down every few years.




Alternatively, you could start lynching people who stayed on the Forbes list of billionaires too long. This would provide an incentive for those people to redistribute their wealth. But a much better approach would be simply to tax the rich and use the money to create the conditions for prosperity. Don't want to hear it from this random internet bloke? Then hear it instead from this random internet multimillionaire entrepreneur:




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