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Re: Rich kids do better than poor kids [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23987832 - 01/06/17 09:21 PM (7 years, 24 days ago)

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If I give myself more opportunities to potentially get "lucky", haven't I statistically created my own good luck, if I were to get "lucky"?




No.  If YOU give YOURSELF more opportunities to potentially get lucky, that is will, or perhaps, work.  Feel free to congratulate yourself on a job well done.
If, however, you are simply born with a last name or skin color or physical stature, etc, that affords you greater opportunity through no will or effort of your own, you got lucky.  Don't get too proud, because you had nothing to do with it.
Does that make sense?




I wasn't even talking about "last name or skin color or physical stature", I was talking in theoretical terms about probability and luck.

There's nothing equal in life, if you want to constantly use "you got lucky, Don't get too proud" rhetoric, can I ask what you're trying to accomplish?

Some people are born smart, some are born pretty, some are born competitive, should they all walk around with a sign on their head saying "I'm not proud of anything I have accomplished because I hit the genetic lottery?" 

Does that make sense?


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Re: Rich kids do better than poor kids [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23987843 - 01/06/17 09:26 PM (7 years, 24 days ago)

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Yes, of course you should "work hard,  build yourself up, and teach your children to do the same".  But the statistics show that if you're born poor, you won't get as far as you would if you're born rich.  THAT'S the point.



So if someone is poor they shouldn't have children, thank you Captain Obvious, now send that message to the continent of Africa.



Wut?  Who said that?  Another straw man?

Are there any non-liberals in the political forum that know how to debate without constant logical fallacies???



I made a fucking comment, who even said I debating anything you're proposing? :facepalm:  You're making a fool yourself.



Your response to my statement was "so if someone is poor they shouldn't have children", implying that was MY message.  It was not.

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Have you ever heard of sarcasm?

not every post is about debate, you're missing the whole point



Please tell us all what the point of making a sarcastic straw man argument is.  :popcorn:




"implying that was MY message"

No, it was implying it was MY message and nothing more, it's not always about you.

"what the point of making a sarcastic straw man argument is"

I wasn't making an argument, I was stating MY OPINION using sarcasm.  You do realize we allowed to express our opinions here?


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Re: Rich kids do better than poor kids [Re: qman]
    #23987910 - 01/06/17 09:53 PM (7 years, 24 days ago)

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qman said:
There's nothing equal in life, if you want to constantly use "you got lucky, Don't get too proud" rhetoric, can I ask what you're trying to accomplish?



He was originally arguing with Webster10 and BubbaGump92 about whether rich kids have an advantage over poor kids or not.  It appears you are in agreement with him that they do, and in disagreement with BubbaGump and Webster.

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Some people are born smart, some are born pretty, some are born competitive, should they all walk around with a sign on their head saying "I'm not proud of anything I have accomplished because I hit the genetic lottery?"



I think the point was that if you're born lucky, you shouldn't pretend you weren't.


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Re: Rich kids do better than poor kids [Re: qman]
    #23987913 - 01/06/17 09:54 PM (7 years, 24 days ago)

This thread is starting to sound familiar...

"YoU didn't build that"


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Re: Rich kids do better than poor kids [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23987933 - 01/06/17 10:07 PM (7 years, 24 days ago)

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qman said:
There's nothing equal in life, if you want to constantly use "you got lucky, Don't get too proud" rhetoric, can I ask what you're trying to accomplish?



He was originally arguing with Webster10 and BubbaGump92 about whether rich kids have an advantage over poor kids or not.  It appears you are in agreement with him that they do, and in disagreement with BubbaGump and Webster.

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qman said:
Some people are born smart, some are born pretty, some are born competitive, should they all walk around with a sign on their head saying "I'm not proud of anything I have accomplished because I hit the genetic lottery?"



I think the point was that if you're born lucky, you shouldn't pretend you weren't.




Who's pretending, when a woman has a great set of tits and a fine ass they usually advertise that fact, should they pretend they didn't get the genetic goods and dress accordingly?

Also, who's to say that being born to rich parents is "lucky"?  Maybe it's better to be born into a lower middle class family that places more emphasis on personal development and happiness instead of materialism and wealth.

I know of many people that had rich parents who treated their children like shit, I mean truly physical and mental abuse that ruins that person for life.


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Re: Rich kids do better than poor kids [Re: qman]
    #23987939 - 01/06/17 10:09 PM (7 years, 24 days ago)

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...the statistics show that if you're born poor, you won't get as far as you would if you're born rich.



So if someone is poor they shouldn't have children, thank you Captain Obvious, now send that message to the continent of Africa.



Your response to my statement was "so if someone is poor they shouldn't have children", implying that was MY message.  It was not.



No, it was implying it was MY message and nothing more, it's not always about you.



So when you said "So if someone is poor they shouldn't have children, thank you Captain Obvious, now send that message to the continent of Africa", you weren't talking to/about me?  :flowstone:


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Re: Rich kids do better than poor kids [Re: qman] * 1
    #23987943 - 01/06/17 10:11 PM (7 years, 24 days ago)

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Who's pretending, when a woman has a great set of tits and a fine ass they usually advertise that fact, should they pretend they didn't get the genetic goods and dress accordingly?



Webster and BubbaGump are pretending.  You, me, and balls are aligned as I pointed out a few posts ago.


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Re: Rich kids do better than poor kids [Re: qman] * 2
    #23987955 - 01/06/17 10:14 PM (7 years, 24 days ago)

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If I give myself more opportunities to potentially get "lucky", haven't I statistically created my own good luck, if I were to get "lucky"?




No.  If YOU give YOURSELF more opportunities to potentially get lucky, that is will, or perhaps, work.  Feel free to congratulate yourself on a job well done.
If, however, you are simply born with a last name or skin color or physical stature, etc, that affords you greater opportunity through no will or effort of your own, you got lucky.  Don't get too proud, because you had nothing to do with it.
Does that make sense?




I wasn't even talking about "last name or skin color or physical stature", I was talking in theoretical terms about probability and luck.

There's nothing equal in life, if you want to constantly use "you got lucky, Don't get too proud" rhetoric, can I ask what you're trying to accomplish?

Some people are born smart, some are born pretty, some are born competitive, should they all walk around with a sign on their head saying "I'm not proud of anything I have accomplished because I hit the genetic lottery?" 

Does that make sense?




1. The title of this thread is "Rich kids do better than poor kids" it is literally about the kind of luck that gets you born rich.

2. Sure, you can ask me what i'm trying to accomplish if you want to.  I'm working on starting an aquaponic farm to exploit sunshine and vertical space to grow fish, vegetables, berries, and produce biogas from the digested fish waste.

3.  I'm not saying that people should not take pride in their accomplishments.  I am saying that the world might be a nicer place for everyone if the luckiest people  acknowledged (at least to themselves) the role that luck has played in their success.

Barry Schwartz has a good lecture on just this topic that i have tried to show people in this sub several times.


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Re: Rich kids do better than poor kids [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #23989429 - 01/07/17 12:27 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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Who's pretending, when a woman has a great set of tits and a fine ass they usually advertise that fact, should they pretend they didn't get the genetic goods and dress accordingly?



Webster and BubbaGump are pretending.  You, me, and balls are aligned as I pointed out a few posts ago.




Not to mention, that woman isnt walking around acting like she went to night school and worked 2 jobs to be born with those tits, and chastising the flat chested women for being lazy...


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Re: Rich kids do better than poor kids [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #23994720 - 01/09/17 09:50 AM (7 years, 21 days ago)

All the trust fund baby republicans getting butt hurt.

It's funny!


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